POLL: Will there be a lockout in the NFL in 2011?

DeToxRox · 12-10-2008, 07:15 PM

This is a shitty topic, and sure it's two years away, but the rumors are rampant, and honestly, you do not need to look far to see that certain aspects are getting out of control.

The biggest worry for me is rookie salaries are so far out of control that how can that maintain itself? I think that is going to be one of the crucial points that need figuring out.

Beyond that, the problem is the owners are becoming more vocal about their discontent. The ball is in their court, and honestly, chances are the lockout happens.

It sure seems like it'd be a nightmare scenario, but it becomes more and more likely every day.

So what do you all think?

DeToxRox · 12-10-2008, 07:27 PM

Dola .. Upshaw passing is going to be even more of a problem because with how long it'll take to find a successor, it's valuable time wasting away from concessions being made.

The players are going to have to give, and how often does that work?

gottimd · 12-10-2008, 07:52 PM

I hope not, although the Mayans did indicate the end of the world will be in 2012, so they wouldn't be that far off.

Logan · 12-10-2008, 08:05 PM

I don't see why a more normal rookie scale for those first 10-15 picks would be so hard to get approval from the Union. Those high bonuses end up costing veterans jobs right out of the gate, and it's not like veterans base their salary demands off what high-profile rookies get.

RedKingGold · 12-10-2008, 08:31 PM

Meh. It's 2011. The end of the world is probably in 2010 anyway.

Besides, we still have Arena Football as a distraction.

miami_fan · 12-10-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I don't see why a more normal rookie scale for those first 10-15 picks would be so hard to get approval from the Union. Those high bonuses end up costing veterans jobs right out of the gate, and it's not like veterans base their salary demands off what high-profile rookies get.

Only if the Union can get some sort of guarantee that the money they take from the rookies will go to those veterans.

Atocep · 12-10-2008, 10:12 PM

I'll be shocked if there isn't a work stoppage in '11.

flere-imsaho · 12-10-2008, 10:24 PM

I'd be surprised. There's simply too much money to collectively be made for this not to happen.

gottimd · 12-11-2008, 07:58 AM

How bad would it suck if you pressed the "End Season" button and a box came up that said "Due to the player strike, the next season has been cancelled". And that was the year your aging veterans had a chance to take it all and they subsequently retire.

Aylmar · 12-11-2008, 11:20 AM

I think we're heading for a lockout. We might even see replacement players before it's all said and done. The players will try and strong-arm the owners and the owners will close it down just to show they can get away with it. Once they start to miss the revenues, it's open tryouts for the 2011 season!

miked · 12-11-2008, 11:24 AM

I'll buy tickets to see Footsteps Falco

Crim · 12-11-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

How bad would it suck if you pressed the "End Season" button and a box came up that said "Due to the player strike, the next season has been cancelled". And that was the year your aging veterans had a chance to take it all and they subsequently retire.

LOL great post

Dr. Sak · 12-11-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

I'll buy tickets to see Footsteps Falco

And stripper cheerleaders!

stevew · 12-11-2008, 01:44 PM

The lions won't win a game in 2011 either

chesapeake · 12-11-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Only if the Union can get some sort of guarantee that the money they take from the rookies will go to those veterans.

For the most part, the salary cap functionally gets you there, doesn't it? According to the all-knowing wikipedia entry, NFL teams must spend at least 85.2% of the salary cap. In dollars, that is a $99 million minimum of the $116 million cap. Both the cap and the floor are adjusted yearly based on overall revenues.

DeToxRox · 02-09-2009, 05:33 PM

Just bumping. This thing still has no progress, and a lot of insiders, namely guys like Schefter are positive we will see a lockout in 2011.

Should be interesting as the NFLPA nears naming a new President and then the owners meeting upcoming.

Abe Sargent · 02-09-2009, 05:58 PM

Withour Gene Upshaw, this thing doesn;t happen

MrDNA · 02-09-2009, 06:28 PM

I read about this and just start rambling on about "the goose that laid the golden egg." It's not good, not good...

Young Drachma · 02-09-2009, 06:50 PM

Steroids, huh?

JPhillips · 02-09-2009, 07:22 PM

The recession will keep a deal from happening before a lockout. Next season is going to be very difficult for small market teams and 2010 will likely be almost as tough. I think a lot of owners are thinking that Brown and Wilson were right in opposing the last agreement.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

For the most part, the salary cap functionally gets you there, doesn't it? According to the all-knowing wikipedia entry, NFL teams must spend at least 85.2% of the salary cap. In dollars, that is a $99 million minimum of the $116 million cap. Both the cap and the floor are adjusted yearly based on overall revenues.

Doesn't the NFL move to an uncapped system in 2010?

Izulde · 02-09-2009, 10:00 PM

I'm thinking an uncapped system will be very bad for football and open the door for basketball to start regaining popularity again. If I wanted to watch a sport of have and have-nots, there's always baseball.

Grammaticus · 02-09-2009, 10:58 PM

I agree, free agency and crazy salaries has done a lot to make baseball, well blah.

stevew · 02-10-2009, 12:07 AM

With the massive cap increases the past few years we've essentially been in an uncapped era for awhile now. I don't think the lack of a cap will be that dramatic. No team is gonna pay backups 10mil just cause they can(save new England)

Taur · 02-10-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Doesn't the NFL move to an uncapped system in 2010?

This is why I am hoping there will be a work stoppage in 2010.

It looks like some owners are already preparing for a season without a salary cap though.

Samdari · 02-10-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Taur

This is why I am hoping there will be a work stoppage in 2010.

It looks like some owners are already preparing for a season without a salary cap though.

I think that there will be a work stoppage before 2010 is played uncapped. The idea of an uncapped year is distasteful to the owners, and the details of the uncapped year are distasteful to the players.

The whole idea that teams will be able to spend a ton of money on premium free agents is a fallacy. The rules change so drastically for that year (extra franchise tags, six years to be FA eligible, etc.) that there will be precious few players on the market worth premium money.

DeToxRox · 03-19-2009, 04:58 AM

The NFLPA has a new leader in DeMaurice Smith, a trial lawyer who keeps talking about "going to war". He also has echoed Upshaws sentiments before he passed that if the 2010 season is uncapped, that the NFLPA will never agree to a cap again.

Obviously it's a lot of posturing on both ends, but the players have no incentive to agree to a cap if 2010 is uncapped, which it sure seems like it will be.

DeToxRox · 03-19-2009, 05:00 AM

Dola, I should add the problem with an uncapped year for players will come with the fact the salary floor will also cease to exist. Notoriously cheap franchises like Arizona could take the Oakland A's approach to boost profits. It could really fucking suck.

Taur · 03-19-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

With the massive cap increases the past few years we've essentially been in an uncapped era for awhile now. I don't think the lack of a cap will be that dramatic. No team is gonna pay backups 10mil just cause they can(save new England)

I wonder if this comment was posted before or after Dan Snyder spent 180 million on 3 players?

RedKingGold · 03-19-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Dola, I should add the problem with an uncapped year for players will come with the fact the salary floor will also cease to exist. Notoriously cheap franchises like Arizona could take the Oakland A's approach to boost profits. It could really fucking suck.

Someone's been reading a lot of ProFootballTalk.com

Mustang · 03-19-2009, 10:37 AM

In a bad economy, let's fight about money. Yip-pee!!!

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12-10-2008, 07:52 PM	#3
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	I hope not, although the Mayans did indicate the end of the world will be in 2012, so they wouldn't be that far off. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

12-10-2008, 08:05 PM	#4
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I don't see why a more normal rookie scale for those first 10-15 picks would be so hard to get approval from the Union. Those high bonuses end up costing veterans jobs right out of the gate, and it's not like veterans base their salary demands off what high-profile rookies get. Last edited by Logan : 12-10-2008 at 08:07 PM.

12-10-2008, 08:31 PM	#5
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Meh. It's 2011. The end of the world is probably in 2010 anyway. Besides, we still have Arena Football as a distraction. Last edited by RedKingGold : 12-10-2008 at 08:31 PM.

12-11-2008, 07:58 AM	#9
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	How bad would it suck if you pressed the "End Season" button and a box came up that said "Due to the player strike, the next season has been cancelled". And that was the year your aging veterans had a chance to take it all and they subsequently retire. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

12-10-2008, 07:27 PM	#2
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Dola .. Upshaw passing is going to be even more of a problem because with how long it'll take to find a successor, it's valuable time wasting away from concessions being made. The players are going to have to give, and how often does that work?

12-10-2008, 10:12 PM	#7
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I'll be shocked if there isn't a work stoppage in '11.

12-10-2008, 10:24 PM	#8
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I'd be surprised. There's simply too much money to collectively be made for this not to happen.

12-11-2008, 11:20 AM	#10
Aylmar High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles	I think we're heading for a lockout. We might even see replacement players before it's all said and done. The players will try and strong-arm the owners and the owners will close it down just to show they can get away with it. Once they start to miss the revenues, it's open tryouts for the 2011 season! __________________ "At its best, football is still football, an amalgam of thought and violence, chess with broken bones and shredded ligaments." -- Dave Kindred

12-11-2008, 11:24 AM	#11
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	I'll buy tickets to see Footsteps Falco __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

12-11-2008, 01:44 PM	#14
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The lions won't win a game in 2011 either

02-09-2009, 05:33 PM	#16
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Just bumping. This thing still has no progress, and a lot of insiders, namely guys like Schefter are positive we will see a lockout in 2011. Should be interesting as the NFLPA nears naming a new President and then the owners meeting upcoming.

02-09-2009, 05:58 PM	#17
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Withour Gene Upshaw, this thing doesn;t happen __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

02-09-2009, 06:28 PM	#18
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	I read about this and just start rambling on about "the goose that laid the golden egg." It's not good, not good... __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-09-2009, 06:50 PM	#19
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Steroids, huh? __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball \| OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

02-09-2009, 07:22 PM	#20
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The recession will keep a deal from happening before a lockout. Next season is going to be very difficult for small market teams and 2010 will likely be almost as tough. I think a lot of owners are thinking that Brown and Wilson were right in opposing the last agreement. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-09-2009, 10:00 PM	#22
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	I'm thinking an uncapped system will be very bad for football and open the door for basketball to start regaining popularity again. If I wanted to watch a sport of have and have-nots, there's always baseball. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

02-09-2009, 10:58 PM	#23
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I agree, free agency and crazy salaries has done a lot to make baseball, well blah.

02-10-2009, 12:07 AM	#24
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	With the massive cap increases the past few years we've essentially been in an uncapped era for awhile now. I don't think the lack of a cap will be that dramatic. No team is gonna pay backups 10mil just cause they can(save new England)

03-19-2009, 04:58 AM	#27
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	The NFLPA has a new leader in DeMaurice Smith, a trial lawyer who keeps talking about "going to war". He also has echoed Upshaws sentiments before he passed that if the 2010 season is uncapped, that the NFLPA will never agree to a cap again. Obviously it's a lot of posturing on both ends, but the players have no incentive to agree to a cap if 2010 is uncapped, which it sure seems like it will be.

03-19-2009, 05:00 AM	#28
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Dola, I should add the problem with an uncapped year for players will come with the fact the salary floor will also cease to exist. Notoriously cheap franchises like Arizona could take the Oakland A's approach to boost profits. It could really fucking suck.

03-19-2009, 10:37 AM	#31
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