Coldplay...a bunch of hacks

rowech · 12-05-2008, 06:57 PM

The lawsuit Satriani has brought is going to really knock Coldplay down. They ripped his music off and really weren't even bashful about hiding it.

B & B · 12-05-2008, 07:04 PM

Is Satriani the guy who did "I like cold beverages"

samifan24 · 12-05-2008, 07:06 PM

Didn't some other artist recently file a plagiarism suit against Coldplay, too?

I just listened to both songs on Youtube and, while the melodies do sound similar, especially at one certain point, I'm not sure this is "really [going to] knock Coldplay down."

Deattribution · 12-05-2008, 07:11 PM

I really doubt this is going to bring Coldplay down. It happens a lot in music, and I wouldn't say they 'weren't bashful' about it. It's extremely easy to play something, or play off of something you've heard before without ever really thinking about it. They could have intentionally done it, but the similarities aren't quite 'Ice Ice Baby' proportions.

Not to mention, people like Timbaland have made their whole careers off stealing other people's material.

Hurst2112 · 12-05-2008, 07:35 PM

I bet Satch gets some money.

Huey Lewis lost against Ray Parker Jr.

The Verve lost against The Stones.

Matthean · 12-05-2008, 07:42 PM

As much as I don't get into Coldplay and like Joe, I think Joe is going to have a hard time with this one. The part is certainly there, but probably not enough for a case.

Matthean · 12-05-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Didn't some other artist recently file a plagiarism suit against Coldplay, too?

Creaky Board for the same song oddly enough.

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

Huey Lewis lost against Ray Parker Jr.

other way around.

Who You Gonna Call ripped off "I want a new drug".

I'll take "Useless Music Trivia" for $800, Alex.

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 10:19 AM

i used to LOVE Coldplay, now i just like them. they're too full of themselves. i'm tired of Chris Martin. i think i heard he's thinking of retiring or disbanding or something. i heard his collaboration with Kenye West ("homecoming" i think it's called) and i didn't like it. if he's leaving Coldplay to put out shit like that then no one will remember Chris Martin 10 years from now or he'll be David Lee Roth in about a decade. fucking doofus, thinking just cuz he struck it big with Coldplay that everything he touches in life is gonna turn into gold.

Toddzilla · 12-06-2008, 10:20 AM

I don't usually buy into these lawsuits, but I heard a clip of the original from the "other artist" don't know his name, and thought it was a studio recording or a demo of the Coldplay song - I mean it was practically identical.

As if that wasn't enough, the guy that;s suing (not Satriani) produced pictures from one of his pub gigs 2-3 years ago with the Coldplay front man in the audience.

Busted.

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 10:25 AM

yup, he's looking to end the band in the near future:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Martin

"I'm 31 now and I don't think that bands should keep going past 33. So, we're trying to pack in as much as possible. Up until the end of next year, we'll just go for it in every sense.

"I don't believe in time off. We've still got most of our hair, we can still fit into our musical trousers and we've got to make the most of that."

kcchief19 · 12-06-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

other way around.

Who You Gonna Call ripped off "I want a new drug".

They settled out of court although it's never been said how much Parker paid Huey and the News. I still don't really buy the plagiarism charge to a certain degree. The movie's producers when to Huey Lewis and wanted them to do the theme because they wanted the sound of "I Want a New Drug." Other than the fact that the songs have a similar repetitive beat, that's it. Huey Lewis pretty much was claiming The News had a copyright on repetitive beats.

The only damning part was that the producers went to Huey Lewis first. If they hadn't, I don't think the suit would have ever been filed. Can you imagine the lawsuits we'd have if artists were suing each other for using similar beats?

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

They settled out of court although it's never been said how much Parker paid Huey and the News. I still don't really buy the plagiarism charge to a certain degree. The movie's producers when to Huey Lewis and wanted them to do the theme because they wanted the sound of "I Want a New Drug." Other than the fact that the songs have a similar repetitive beat, that's it. Huey Lewis pretty much was claiming The News had a copyright on repetitive beats.

The only damning part was that the producers went to Huey Lewis first. If they hadn't, I don't think the suit would have ever been filed. Can you imagine the lawsuits we'd have if artists were suing each other for using similar beats?

it's not the fact that they're "similar repetive beats", it's the fact that Who You Gonna Call uses essentially the exact beat AND melody. pop in I Want A New Drug and you can sing Who You Gonna Call over it. that's different than just having similar beats.

funny thing about this - the classic rock group Cream ripped themselves off. "White Room" uses basically the same music from "Tales Of A Brave Ulysses". you can sing White Room over most of "Tales". i don't know why this isn't talked about more.

PineTar · 12-06-2008, 11:07 AM

I wish someone would make an entire album of Joeplay mashups. I really kind of like the combo.

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

funny thing about this - the classic rock group Cream ripped themselves off. "White Room" uses basically the same music from "Tales Of A Brave Ulysses". you can sing White Room over most of "Tales". i don't know why this isn't talked about more.

proof in the pudding:

White Room

Tales of Brave Ulysses

Matthean · 12-06-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

yup, he's looking to end the band in the near future:

Which sounds more like his heart isn't in it versus 33 being some magical number for a band to quit.

Matthean · 12-06-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

funny thing about this - the classic rock group Cream ripped themselves off. "White Room" uses basically the same music from "Tales Of A Brave Ulysses". you can sing White Room over most of "Tales". i don't know why this isn't talked about more.

There was a infamous mashup of Nickleback songs done side by side to show just how much of a hack the band was. Neither band sued themselves and thus that's why neither case got that well known. CCR vs. John Folgerty, however, did get press since he was being sued for basically ripping off himself via his old band mates.

Ryan S · 12-06-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

yup, he's looking to end the band in the near future:

According to Rolling Stone he has no plans to break up the group.

On the Road With Coldplay : Rolling Stone

Quote:

But as they hang backstage, reports are bouncing all over that they're about to break up: Martin, 31, told a British newspaper that he was treating 2009 as Coldplay's final year. But he didn't quite mean it: He explains that Coldplay have the ambitious plan of recording and releasing a Viva la Vida follow-up next year (they hope to work again with the production team of Brian Eno and Markus Dravs), and setting an end date is meant to keep them focused.

"We're proceeding as if it's our last, because it's the only way to proceed," Martin says. "You've got to have deadlines, you know. What that means is we're going to pour everything we can into next year and not think beyond that. We always say that and we always mean it. But every time we say it, someone writes that it's over. I don't think we'll ever split up, but we have to do a lot before we're 33."

Passacaglia · 12-06-2008, 02:15 PM

Ping: George Harrison

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 04:22 PM

Anthony · 12-06-2008, 04:29 PM

LOL!!!

i found this comment in one of the youtube clips:

Chris Martin stated it was not plagiarism because
1. Could not have been him at Creaky Boards concert as was working in London that night.
2. The song was a work in progress for 7 months prior to that time.
3. Song was stolen from 2004 Joe Satriani song and not from Creaky Boards.

Butter · 12-08-2008, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

i'm tired of Chris Martin. i think i heard he's thinking of retiring or disbanding or something.

It would be interesting to see Chris Martin disband.

ISiddiqui · 12-08-2008, 08:42 AM

OTOH, I think having two bands claim that Coldplay ripped them off works in Coldplay's favor. Basically the beat is common enough that it could have come from more than one source.

Hurst2112 · 12-08-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

other way around.

Who You Gonna Call ripped off "I want a new drug".

I'll take "Useless Music Trivia" for $800, Alex.

dang. that means I'm 10,000,000-1 with my music trivia.

Hurst2112 · 12-08-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthean

As much as I don't get into Coldplay and like Joe, I think Joe is going to have a hard time with this one. The part is certainly there, but probably not enough for a case.

Sorta telling:

2 musician and engineer forums I belong to have this going in Joe's favor. We all seem to agree that the similarities are pretty spot on in terms of melody. Not saying that is the right answer.

PineTar · 02-09-2009, 02:17 PM

Plagiarism - Grammy Approved!

lordscarlet · 02-09-2009, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B & B

Is Satriani the guy who did "I like cold beverages"

G. Love & Special Sauce

Karlifornia · 02-09-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hurst2112

Sorta telling:

2 musician and engineer forums I belong to have this going in Joe's favor. We all seem to agree that the similarities are pretty spot on in terms of melody. Not saying that is the right answer.

Joe should post his phone number on here and challenge Chris Martin to a fistfight.

Ryche · 02-09-2009, 08:03 PM

I honestly thought Coldplay was doing an English cover of that Alizee song the first time I heard Viva La Vida.

sabotai · 05-08-2009, 02:53 PM

Cat Stevens is now jumping on the bandwagon.

http://www.craveonline.com/entertain...coldplay-76407

sabotai · 05-08-2009, 02:57 PM

dola,

Youtube video with all 4 songs for comparison

larrymcg421 · 05-08-2009, 03:01 PM

Won't Coldplay have to pay U2 before they pay anybody else?

12-05-2008, 07:04 PM	#2
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	Is Satriani the guy who did "I like cold beverages" __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

12-05-2008, 07:06 PM	#3
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Didn't some other artist recently file a plagiarism suit against Coldplay, too? I just listened to both songs on Youtube and, while the melodies do sound similar, especially at one certain point, I'm not sure this is "really [going to] knock Coldplay down." __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

12-05-2008, 07:35 PM	#5
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	I bet Satch gets some money. Huey Lewis lost against Ray Parker Jr. The Verve lost against The Stones. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

12-08-2008, 08:42 AM	#23
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	OTOH, I think having two bands claim that Coldplay ripped them off works in Coldplay's favor. Basically the beat is common enough that it could have come from more than one source. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-09-2009, 08:03 PM	#29
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	I honestly thought Coldplay was doing an English cover of that Alizee song the first time I heard Viva La Vida. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

12-05-2008, 07:11 PM	#4
Deattribution College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	I really doubt this is going to bring Coldplay down. It happens a lot in music, and I wouldn't say they 'weren't bashful' about it. It's extremely easy to play something, or play off of something you've heard before without ever really thinking about it. They could have intentionally done it, but the similarities aren't quite 'Ice Ice Baby' proportions. Not to mention, people like Timbaland have made their whole careers off stealing other people's material.

12-05-2008, 07:42 PM	#6
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	As much as I don't get into Coldplay and like Joe, I think Joe is going to have a hard time with this one. The part is certainly there, but probably not enough for a case.

12-06-2008, 10:19 AM	#9
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	i used to LOVE Coldplay, now i just like them. they're too full of themselves. i'm tired of Chris Martin. i think i heard he's thinking of retiring or disbanding or something. i heard his collaboration with Kenye West ("homecoming" i think it's called) and i didn't like it. if he's leaving Coldplay to put out shit like that then no one will remember Chris Martin 10 years from now or he'll be David Lee Roth in about a decade. fucking doofus, thinking just cuz he struck it big with Coldplay that everything he touches in life is gonna turn into gold.

12-06-2008, 10:20 AM	#10
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I don't usually buy into these lawsuits, but I heard a clip of the original from the "other artist" don't know his name, and thought it was a studio recording or a demo of the Coldplay song - I mean it was practically identical. As if that wasn't enough, the guy that;s suing (not Satriani) produced pictures from one of his pub gigs 2-3 years ago with the Coldplay front man in the audience. Busted.

12-06-2008, 11:07 AM	#14
PineTar High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	I wish someone would make an entire album of Joeplay mashups. I really kind of like the combo.

12-06-2008, 02:15 PM	#19
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Ping: George Harrison

12-06-2008, 04:22 PM	#20
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA

12-06-2008, 04:29 PM	#21
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	LOL!!! i found this comment in one of the youtube clips: Chris Martin stated it was not plagiarism because 1. Could not have been him at Creaky Boards concert as was working in London that night. 2. The song was a work in progress for 7 months prior to that time. 3. Song was stolen from 2004 Joe Satriani song and not from Creaky Boards.

02-09-2009, 02:17 PM	#26
PineTar High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	Plagiarism - Grammy Approved!

05-08-2009, 02:53 PM	#30
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Cat Stevens is now jumping on the bandwagon. http://www.craveonline.com/entertain...coldplay-76407

05-08-2009, 02:57 PM	#31
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	dola, Youtube video with all 4 songs for comparison

05-08-2009, 03:01 PM	#32
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Won't Coldplay have to pay U2 before they pay anybody else? __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 05-08-2009 at 03:01 PM.

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