Boom or bust - WR prospect

croco · 08-13-2009, 05:24 PM

The draft is coming up over in the FFL and there is a WR with curious bars among the highest rated prospects:

While rated at 6.6/6.9 and putting up very good combine numbers, the low RR coupled with ST as a pair is troubling. Add to that the solecismic score of 21 and the RR is of even greater concern. I was going to shy away from this guy, but the other WR prospect will be taken first and I'm in dire need of a star receiver. My scout has a "excellent" for receivers and "very good" for young talent and believes that he is underrated which is another reason why I got back after almost closing the book on Palmer.

I haven't seen a star receiver with maxed out bars in every other area except for special teams, a combine as good - on the other hand how many receivers can constantly put up great numbers with a RR below 50 or even worse ? No matter where I look, FFL, other leagues, single player, forum history, hard to find a star receiver without a route running that is at least 70.

To me, it seems like he will be someone who is considered a great "athlete", but not great football player in reality so to speak. He will be outstanding as KR/PR, but not get enough targets because his RR is so low.

What do you think, bigger chance that he will become a bust or is it also possible that he will turn out to be great ?

RedKingGold · 08-13-2009, 05:36 PM

Without even looking at the combines, I'd bet that RR rating is masked and will turn out to be much higher than the current rating.

He's probably an 85/85+ rated receiver. Take him now and ask quesitons later.

Steel · 08-13-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

He's probably an 85/85+ rated receiver. Take him now and ask quesitons later.

What he said^

MajikMan77 · 08-13-2009, 05:59 PM

You can't pass him up basically

Dandelion · 08-13-2009, 06:27 PM

When I take a look at all the 50max Skill Hobos that are my WR corps in my SP game, I'd even draft that guy if the scout had seen him as overrated

Having to draft first around the 20th position for nearly a decade keeps me from even thinking to get a WR of that calibre in the draft..

Skolleck · 08-13-2009, 07:48 PM

Good player

croco · 08-13-2009, 07:55 PM

Thanks for the input everyone.

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Without even looking at the combines, I'd bet that RR rating is masked and will turn out to be much higher than the current rating.

He's probably an 85/85+ rated receiver. Take him now and ask quesitons later.

How sure are you ? Other than being a random bust, you definitely think that he is going to max out at 80+ ?

cyril · 08-13-2009, 07:58 PM

it looks that he has the textbook case of RR/ST masked pair. If I were you, I will trade all the way up to grab him.

Yoda · 08-13-2009, 08:28 PM

You and everyone else want to pass on him until the 1.13 pick comes up. Tapscott needs a new target.

Jughead Spock · 08-13-2009, 08:52 PM

I would trade to get into that league just so I could draft that guy. Supahstah.

RedKingGold · 08-13-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by croco

How sure are you ? Other than being a random bust, you definitely think that he is going to max out at 80+ ?

Yes.

Firefly · 08-14-2009, 09:22 AM

I don't see how you can pass him up. Hey, there are never any guarantees. He could be a random bust, or whatever. But if you are in dire need of a WR, you'd be crazy not to pick him.

Joker · 08-14-2009, 01:18 PM

How BYU let this Mormon go I will never know.

croco · 09-05-2009, 03:52 PM

Update after TC, thank you for the help:

RedKingGold · 09-05-2009, 04:37 PM

Only a light yellow in experience and RR is already filled = I'd bet 85/85+ and his RR will likely be in the (conservative estimate) 65-75 range.

Dandelion · 09-05-2009, 06:49 PM

What was his rating before that 1st TC?

Jughead Spock · 09-05-2009, 10:42 PM

So who was the Sam Bowie pick at #1?

croco · 09-06-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dandelion

What was his rating before that 1st TC?

69/76

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

So who was the Sam Bowie pick at #1?

No Sam Bowie, another WR at 54/78.

MIJB#19 · 09-06-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Only a light yellow in experience and RR is already filled = I'd bet 85/85+ and his RR will likely be in the (conservative estimate) 65-75 range.

Honestly, I'm not seeing that, with the Solecismic score he had. Of course, his intelligence is low, which is actually a great sign here and could mean his RR was initially underrated.

Dandelion · 09-06-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Only a light yellow in experience and RR is already filled = I'd bet 85/85+ and his RR will likely be in the (conservative estimate) 65-75 range.

with that +1 at 1st TC I'd say he'll grow to 80, then drop 3 points at second TC

... and RR might go up to 60-65

Hammer · 09-06-2009, 11:33 AM

My guess for his final RR is 58!

Yoda · 09-07-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead Spock

So who was the Sam Bowie pick at #1?

Sorry, no Sam Bowie at #1 this draft....

Jughead Spock · 09-07-2009, 07:45 PM

gah. Why couldn't that have been this season's WOOF draft.

croco · 09-14-2009, 03:56 PM

Palmer is up to 77/77 after the first game of the regular season, experience at 70, route running 48.

Speaking of the opener, he had 6 catches (8 targets) for 122 yards, 2 TDs on the road against the Bears, arguably the best or second best team in the league. If that wasn't spectacular enough already, he also returned the second punt of his career (first involved an illegal block, not counting preseason either) 76 yards for six points.

RedKingGold · 09-14-2009, 06:40 PM

Still, he's no Polidixon

Brownkeg8 · 09-14-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Still, he's no Polidixon

interesting that he has 16 drops over those 2 seasons with 100 in avoid.

nickelback · 09-14-2009, 08:08 PM

Yoda where did you get your in-game logos?

weboes · 09-19-2009, 10:37 PM

For the record I am very happy with my Sam Bowie.

Yoda · 09-19-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nickelback

Yoda where did you get your in-game logos?

hmmm... good question, lol. It's been so long, I've forgotten now.

08-13-2009, 08:28 PM	#9
Yoda High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Woodstock, GA	You and everyone else want to pass on him until the 1.13 pick comes up. Tapscott needs a new target. __________________ Championships Won CCFL 2040 PFL 2015 2022 2026 2046 FFL 2013 2014 2015 RNFL 2014 2029 GMFL 2009 HFL 1983 1987 1990 TFL 1983 vNFL 2024 GML 2011 WOOF 2018 Last edited by Yoda : 08-13-2009 at 08:28 PM.

09-14-2009, 03:56 PM	#24
croco n00b Join Date: Feb 2009	Palmer is up to 77/77 after the first game of the regular season, experience at 70, route running 48. Speaking of the opener, he had 6 catches (8 targets) for 122 yards, 2 TDs on the road against the Bears, arguably the best or second best team in the league. If that wasn't spectacular enough already, he also returned the second punt of his career (first involved an illegal block, not counting preseason either) 76 yards for six points. Last edited by croco : 09-14-2009 at 05:30 PM.

08-13-2009, 05:36 PM	#2
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Without even looking at the combines, I'd bet that RR rating is masked and will turn out to be much higher than the current rating. He's probably an 85/85+ rated receiver. Take him now and ask quesitons later.

08-13-2009, 05:59 PM	#4
MajikMan77 n00b Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Scotland	You can't pass him up basically

08-13-2009, 06:27 PM	#5
Dandelion Mascot Join Date: Jul 2009	When I take a look at all the 50max Skill Hobos that are my WR corps in my SP game, I'd even draft that guy if the scout had seen him as overrated Having to draft first around the 20th position for nearly a decade keeps me from even thinking to get a WR of that calibre in the draft..

08-13-2009, 07:48 PM	#6
Skolleck n00b Join Date: May 2005	Good player

08-13-2009, 07:58 PM	#8
cyril Mascot Join Date: Dec 2008	it looks that he has the textbook case of RR/ST masked pair. If I were you, I will trade all the way up to grab him.

08-13-2009, 08:52 PM	#10
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	I would trade to get into that league just so I could draft that guy. Supahstah.

08-14-2009, 09:22 AM	#12
Firefly High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2007	I don't see how you can pass him up. Hey, there are never any guarantees. He could be a random bust, or whatever. But if you are in dire need of a WR, you'd be crazy not to pick him.

08-14-2009, 01:18 PM	#13
Joker H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Mar 2006	How BYU let this Mormon go I will never know.

09-05-2009, 03:52 PM	#14
croco n00b Join Date: Feb 2009	Update after TC, thank you for the help:

09-05-2009, 04:37 PM	#15
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Only a light yellow in experience and RR is already filled = I'd bet 85/85+ and his RR will likely be in the (conservative estimate) 65-75 range.

09-05-2009, 06:49 PM	#16
Dandelion Mascot Join Date: Jul 2009	What was his rating before that 1st TC?

09-05-2009, 10:42 PM	#17
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	So who was the Sam Bowie pick at #1?

09-06-2009, 11:33 AM	#21
Hammer College Prospect Join Date: Sep 2005	My guess for his final RR is 58!

09-07-2009, 07:45 PM	#23
Jughead Spock High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lowcountry, SC	gah. Why couldn't that have been this season's WOOF draft.

09-14-2009, 06:40 PM	#25
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Still, he's no Polidixon

09-14-2009, 08:08 PM	#27
nickelback n00b Join Date: Oct 2006	Yoda where did you get your in-game logos?

09-19-2009, 10:37 PM	#28
weboes n00b Join Date: Apr 2007	For the record I am very happy with my Sam Bowie.

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