Werewolf CXII - The Red Death - GAME OVER

[Thomkal]

good morning all.

First off, let me get this out of the way.

vote poli
vote nightfall

I don't know if there's nightfall in this game or not, but wanted to put it out there just in case. We should not rush to nightfall in my opinion unless there's other information that needs to come out or some second crazy event happens or whatever.

[Thomkal]

I was not exorcised last night, but I hope that either Poli or myself was exorcised and/or viewed by the adept. I welcome a straight Thomkal vs Poli vote today for even if I'm lynched, I've given you a Servant.

I believe that Poli might be the Brutal Servant if they have one, so I would caution against revealing if you are a roled Lightbringer cause he will likely take you out instead of me.

[Thomkal]

I find the Servants choosing Raiders Army for the kill to be very interesting with Poli's "reveal" that he observed Raiders on the very night that he died. Here's two thoughts on what I think happened.

1-He was the last night corruption attempt, and they hoped to use him to give cover to Poli's detective claim. We don't know what happens when the Servants attempt to corrupt the Minister-nothing could have happened, and it would have been a no-kill night, or since they couldn't corrupt him, he was killed instead.

2-They didn't want to risk Poli having to make up a detective claim on someone living-because if they got it wrong, they were caught. So they just night-killed Raiders, not try to convert.

Personally I believe theory #1.

Incidentally, we now know for sure there are non-Vampires in the game as any Vampire attacking the Minister would have been killed.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Good morning my fellow Lightbringers. I suppose it should come as no surprise that the servants of the Red Death have infiltrated this meeting, but I have confidence in our ability to ferret them out despite their vast power.

I must admit that I'm overwhelmed at the scope of the investigation we must undertake. The evil-doers seem to have so many places and guises to hide under and even when we find one we may not know the full extent of their power from their name alone. And then there are these items, one of which we all have and I'm guessing that their true abilities are greatly unknown to us. So much is unclear to us now, and we must be careful about what we reveal, but reveal we must as some point if we are ever going to defeat the Servants.

Okay roleplaying over. I have some idea what my item could do from its name, but it would be a guess. Doesn't seem like a harmful item though. I have to say reading over the ruleset again, I think the odds are really stacked against my fellow Lightbringers because so much is unknown and so much of a chance for corruption, even from our good spellcasters, that I think we have a much tougher chance of winning than the normal village. But hey that's why I signed up-for the challenge.

In a complicated game like this, knowledge is the key I think. We may have to be a bit more forthcoming than normal about things that happen in the game, our character, and our item if we want to give ourselves the best chance of winning it.

Here's my first post in the game-the clues are in the roleplaying bit-"ferret them out" and "scope of this investigation". Detectives investiage and search for the evils amongst the goods.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Poli

I put my scroll of wrath on you because I was told it would best help us. That's why I did it.

i observed Dubb on day 1. i observed Danny day 2. i Observed raiders army last night.

I agree with Thomkal that it is pretty convenient that this list includes two dead people and someone who lines up with one of Thomkal's scans.

Obviously Poli can claim the RA night kill is a setup, but there are other things that resonate about Thomkal's story that sit well with me.

I do remember him reacting to my post on using the Tincture of Iodine, for example. And I thought it was weird at the time how he had posted something along the lines of "I believe this" ... not that the statement was weird, but it came across as something more than "I'm reading what you posted as a vanilla villager". The idea that he had acted upon me definitely crossed my mind and made me think "wolf kill/convert attempt" at the time.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

well pretty much have to figure that a conversion took place don't we given the rule change? That sucks but we shall persevere.

I will be voting for one of the EagleFan voters today unless someone observed something last night. I think it was a Lightbringer vs Lightbringer yesterday, but there had to be some Servants voting for them.

Oh and I'm the one that passed the Jar.

This is my post from the second day. The key word here is observed. Why? Because that if you look at the roles description, is the name of my power. I can Observe someone each night.

[hoopsguy]

So, for the second day in a row - with more conviction this time:
VOTE POLI

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I agree with Thomkal that it is pretty convenient that this list includes two dead people and someone who lines up with one of Thomkal's scans.

Obviously Poli can claim the RA night kill is a setup, but there are other things that resonate about Thomkal's story that sit well with me.

I do remember him reacting to my post on using the Tincture of Iodine, for example. And I thought it was weird at the time how he had posted something along the lines of "I believe this" ... not that the statement was weird, but it came across as something more than "I'm reading what you posted as a vanilla villager". The idea that he had acted upon me definitely crossed my mind and made me think "wolf kill/convert attempt" at the time.

I posted that hoops, as I was trying to signal you that I Observed you, so if you were a villager/roled Lightbringer, you might now have a reason to trust me. I can see why it could be viewed as a wolf kill/convert attempt though.

Went through this with ntndeacon who voted for me when I tried to signal him as well. Sometimes it really is a good guy trying to make a circle of trust, and not an evil trying to make himself look good. I was pretty pissed though that I was blocked from Observing you after not seeing Dubb do anything!

[hoopsguy]

If Poli = wolf then I tend to put Lathum into a trusted role. There is no one who likes to fake wolf/wolf fights more than Poli, but I hope that he+Lathum would have more respect for our mod (fights getting personal = bad for the game) than to fake one with as much acrimony as we saw earlier.

[Thomkal]

I hope so too Hoops, that would be really bad on their parts if it was a fake fight.

[KWhit]

Jesus Christ.

Vote Poli.

Vote Nightfall.

[Barkeep49]

This seems pretty open and shut.

Vote Poli

[Abe Sargent]

Morning All!

[PurdueBrad]

I'll jump on board:

vote Poli
vote nightfall

[Abe Sargent]

I will accept Nightfall under the following TWO conditions:

1). Unanimity in the thread for it
2). The wolves agree in a pm to me.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I will accept Nightfall under the following TWO conditions:

1). Unanimity in the thread for it
2). The wolves agree in a pm to me.

That seems reasonable.

Poli, make sure to PM Abe, okay? Thanks.

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I would not have gone this direction if Poli did not take his current position. These types of showdowns can be a lot of fun, but it sure doesn't seem like there is a chance of that happening here.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Autumn]

lame

vote poli
vote nightfall

i would have preferred we really confirmed we had the right guy here, but oh well

[Autumn]

As soon as I saw RA listed on Poli's list I was pretty certain he was a wolf. RA had hinted that he had a role, and i Think this was the wolves' way of trying to get him to out himself (saying, Polis must be a wolf because I was out being a minister! or whatever). The other two nights were conveniently focused on dead guys or duplicates.

Hopefully we get nightfall done with and we can move on.

Also, FWIW, I passed an item to the scientist and got no message back, so I think we can assume NTN is in the clear at this point.

[Barkeep49]

Vote nightfall

[J23]

vote poli
vote nightfall

I'd hope you'd have enough respect for Abe, the game, and the other players than to start posting PMs.

[hoopsguy]

I would like to see one passed to the Detective as well, or confirmation that someone has done so already, to help assure that this role is in the game and we are not looking at a double-bluff by the wolves to gain trust for a player claiming a role not in a game.

I don't think it is a good percentage play for them, but might as well eliminate that possibility.

[hoopsguy]

From the rules:

The Red Death is so powerful, that when someone is corrupted, they will gain a new role and powers and lose their old ones.

I want to make sure I understand this, so here is a hypothetical. Abe, please correct me if I'm making bad assumptions here.

Player A = Detective to start game
Player A = corrupted on Night 2
Player B passes item to Detective role on Night 4
This would not go to Player A, because they are no longer the Detective, correct?

Thanks for helping clarify this.

[J23]

Just wanted to point out that unlike the Abjurer, the detective doesn't have a chance of corruption from their ability.

They could however have been converted, which I'm not sure is the same thing.

[hoopsguy]

Good point, 23.

Abe, please substitute Abjurer for Detective in the above example for technical accuracy.

Also, a follow-up question - does the "corruption" logic also apply to "conversion"? Are these the same thing, for purposes of this game or are those two separate possibilities?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Poli

Continue to ignore me Abe. This game is about to get fun.

Me sending tyou six pms is not ignoring you. I just prefer to take private matters proviate

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Good point, 23.

Abe, please substitute Abjurer for Detective in the above example for technical accuracy.

Also, a follow-up question - does the "corruption" logic also apply to "conversion"? Are these the same thing, for purposes of this game or are those two separate possibilities?

Same thing. Conversaion is the mechanic. Corruption is the flavor

[Thomkal]

Let me know if you want me to say whether or not I have received an item. I can tell you that my starting item was indeed the Jar of Myrrh, and I sent it to the Minister (Raiders Army). Since he died with no items, he either used it or sent it to somebody else.

I sent it to him because he couldn't be corrupted and I thought it sounded like a religious type object which he might be able to use better than me. I still have no idea what it does.

I'll be away from the computer for a bit so may not answer right away.

[Telle]

vote Poli

vote nightfall

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

From the rules:


I want to make sure I understand this, so here is a hypothetical. Abe, please correct me if I'm making bad assumptions here.

Player A = Detective to start game
Player A = corrupted on Night 2
Player B passes item to Detective role on Night 4
This would not go to Player A, because they are no longer the Detective, correct?

Thanks for helping clarify this.

I can neither confirm nor deny this conclusion.

[Telle]

As of post #1244:

Yet to vote: ntndeacon, The Jackal, Poli, Lathum

Voted by did not vote nightfall: dubb

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Let me know if you want me to say whether or not I have received an item. I can tell you that my starting item was indeed the Jar of Myrrh, and I sent it to the Minister (Raiders Army). Since he died with no items, he either used it or sent it to somebody else.

I sent it to him because he couldn't be corrupted and I thought it sounded like a religious type object which he might be able to use better than me. I still have no idea what it does.

I'll be away from the computer for a bit so may not answer right away.

I think the writeup said his items were confiscated, though it didn't list them out. Of course it didn't list him being a minister either, so I figure it was just glossed over.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Poli

That's fine. I can do this. Give me about ten minutes and I'll have my private messages posted.

Why are you throwing such a temper tantrum?

If he's going to replace you then it'll take time to find a replacement.. and who's going to want to step in anyways when you're about to be lynched? You're about to be removed from the game anyways just by the play of the game. Post your vote and nightfall and then just go away.. you'll be lynched and out of the game.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I can neither confirm nor deny this conclusion.

Curses!

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Poli

That's fine. I can do this. Give me about ten minutes and I'll have my private messages posted.

Poli, if you think you are going to threaten me in my own game, for no reason at all, then you need to reevaluate me.

[Abe Sargent]

Poli, walk away, before you do something you'll regret later.

[Abe Sargent]

Whcih is?

[Abe Sargent]

That's what's funny about this whole thing, you claim you were personally attacked,m so I asked you in what post, you can't come up with one. What else do you want?

[Autumn]

I'm not reading that post. Anyone want to delete it?

[Telle]

Wow. Way to throw a hissy fit and ruin a game.

[Barkeep49]

I don't understand why this is happening, but the fact that it's happening is very sad. My deepest condolences to Abe.

[Abe Sargent]

That's what's funny. Poli never even said, "This is what I want, and if I don;t get it, then X" Just, "Here Comes X..."

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

That's what's funny. Poli never even said, "This is what I want, and if I don;t get it, then X" Just, "Here Comes X..."

I don't find it funny even in an Alanis Morrisette ironic sort of way.

[Autumn]

A real bummer. I did keep from reading the post. I hope you can salvage things Abe. I'm about ot head out for lunch. My access is going to be real spotty from now through the weekend as my family is coming to visit. I'll check in sometime after lunch though.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I hope so too Hoops, that would be really bad on their parts if it was a fake fight.

Atill catching up but I would never in a million years do that to Abe or any other mod

[Telle]

Yeah I managed to look away before actually reading anything too.. but unfortunately I think the integrity of the game is shot. This really sucks.

[J23]

Yep, really sorry this happened to your game Abe.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't understand why this is happening, but the fact that it's happening is very sad. My deepest condolences to Abe.

Thanks, but he did it in your game too, if I remember correctly, the survivor one.

[Lathum]

Wow, just wow.

I am not going to ignore the elephant in the room.

I am just going to say it for the record I will NEVER play in another game of werewolf that Poli is involved in.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Thanks, but he did it in your game too, if I remember correctly, the survivor one.

He did, but I had the power to shut it down before it got too out of hand. Knowing Poli when he calms down he'll regret what he did now.