The 2010 MLB Season Thread - Page 11

SackAttack · 04-18-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

It's not like these guys have never been good before

SI

True. But Wells has also never been worth the money he's getting paid, even when he's been "good."

This is kind of like, wait a second - where did this come from? Dude's hitting like he's gonna launch 50 this year.

Chief Rum · 04-18-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Be that as it may, I have a little more faith in Heyward's abilities than Prado (or Glaus or really anyone else on the Braves lineup with exception of McCann and Chipper).

Heh...I do, too; it just seemed odd to read what you said knowing how well Prado has started off the season.

sterlingice · 04-18-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

True. But Wells has also never been worth the money he's getting paid, even when he's been "good."

This is kind of like, wait a second - where did this come from? Dude's hitting like he's gonna launch 50 this year.

I'm sure he's not and it's just a hot streak, but still, it's looking like .280/.350/.500 with 25 HR is a perfectly reasonable expectation. Has he lived up to the contract? Heck no. But to think he's worthless as so many had given him up for is ludicrous.

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Travis · 04-18-2010, 05:32 PM

Wells have proven in the past that he can hit .280 to .300, hit 25 or so home runs and drive in 100+. I'm sure the team had hoped he'd elevate past that when they signed him to that contract, but as he's gotten healthier, he's sure looking more and more like that hitter again.

Thank goodness, because that black hole playing first for the Jays sure isn't doing anything to help the squad out (and hasn't in quite some time).

SackAttack · 04-18-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I'm sure he's not and it's just a hot streak, but still, it's looking like .280/.350/.500 with 25 HR is a perfectly reasonable expectation. Has he lived up to the contract? Heck no. But to think he's worthless as so many had given him up for is ludicrous.

SI

Sure. Agreed.

And perhaps he'll settle down into that, or even a little bit better than that, over the long run. But even among those who hadn't given him up for worthless, I don't think you'll find many folks who expected a start close to this one after his last three seasons were either sub-par or injury-shortened.

SackAttack · 04-18-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Great pitching duel in LA - Kershaw killing the Giants with power stuff, Zito doing it to the Dodgers with absolutely nothing. The Giants just took a 1-run lead on a hanging cutter, but this kid's stuff is filthy (irrespective of the AAA lineup that he is facing)/.

Man...as delighted as I am at the outcome, this game almost has to be a kick in the nuts for Giants fans, after the way Zito pitched.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-18-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Ps - Braves fans. Doesn't Heyward move up the batting order already? I mean, Martin Prado is a nice guy and all, but he shouldn't be seeing more AB's than Heyward.

Actually he should, since someone needs to be on base for Heyward to drive in.

And their PA's this year are 54-52 for Prado, not as though the kid is missing any significant amount of AB's, nor has he shown the ability (yet) to avoid being a steady strikeout victim, especially against lefty's. And Prado actually has a higher BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS than even Heyward. Only a complete idiot would mess with the only two things in the Braves batting order that are working (well 2 of the 3, McCann is going well enough).

rowech · 04-18-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

We just made the reds look like bitches!

At this rate, Dusty, Harang, Arroyo, Phillips, and Rolen will all be gone before July.

larrymcg421 · 04-18-2010, 08:07 PM

Putting Heyward at #2 in the lineup would be a disaster with our atrocious leadoff situation.

And I don't get the hate for Prado. Guy has been solid the last two years. He's a good fit for the #2 spot.

ISiddiqui · 04-19-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Actually he should, since someone needs to be on base for Heyward to drive in.

And their PA's this year are 54-52 for Prado, not as though the kid is missing any significant amount of AB's, nor has he shown the ability (yet) to avoid being a steady strikeout victim, especially against lefty's. And Prado actually has a higher BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS than even Heyward. Only a complete idiot would mess with the only two things in the Braves batting order that are working (well 2 of the 3, McCann is going well enough).

Bingo. It seems wierd to single out Prado when his numbers so far have been .426/.500/.596, which, as pointed out, are better than Heyward's. He's a player that has shown an ability to get on base (he has a career OBP of .369).

Ksyrup · 04-19-2010, 09:30 AM

That 20 inning game was something. We had been out all day and finally got to watch some TV at 9:30. When I turned on Fox for the 10pm news, the game was still on! I bet that's not what Fox or the local affiliates had in mind for a game that started at 4:10.

sterlingice · 04-19-2010, 11:08 AM

FYI, if you have MLB Audio or tv, it's Patriot's Day in Boston so they're already in the 3rd inning (6-0 Rays at the moment)

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Chief Rum · 04-19-2010, 11:15 AM

I keep waiting for the Red Sox to wake up and realize the season has started. I wasn't as high on them as some pundits were, but they're not this bad by a long stretch.

ISiddiqui · 04-19-2010, 01:28 PM

They most definitely aren't, but I think this early season swoon shows some big holes, namely in terms of replacing Bay's bat (and Ortiz hasn't rebounded) and pitching (Lackey was not an answer).

Logan · 04-19-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

They most definitely aren't, but I think this early season swoon shows some big holes, namely in terms of replacing Bay's bat (and Ortiz hasn't rebounded) and pitching (Lackey was not an answer).

Not very hard to replace Bay's current .220 and 2 RBIs.

Bad-example · 04-19-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Man...as delighted as I am at the outcome, this game almost has to be a kick in the nuts for Giants fans, after the way Zito pitched.

Yeah, it was a rough way to go out but then again it is early in the season and Bochy made the right call. Romo just made a terrible pitch. The Giants still have to feel good about the way they played.

From the SJ Merc:

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In the bottom of the 12th inning Friday, with Eli Whiteside at the plate and Sandoval dancing off 3rd base with the possible winning run, it hit me.

Panda’s athletic cup.

In the head.

In 25 years of photographing baseball, that was the first, and please, last time that’s ever happened.

I had been shooting from the photo well next to the Giants dugout on the 3rd baseline when Sandoval was running the bags during the Giants’ comeback. He seemed uncomfortable though, and started fussing with his belt when he got to 3rd.

After I turned my attention back to home plate to shoot the batter, something hits me in the head.

Nearby fans gasped, and then groaned.

The Panda’s cup is sitting untouched behind me in full radioactive glory.

Mercifully, trainer Dave Groeschner comes over wearing Sandoval’s glove, and retrieves the offending blue projectile.

Glad I was wearing a hat.

JS19 · 04-19-2010, 06:05 PM

Mets promoted Ike Davis today, gonna get his first big league start. On another Mets note, they have already designated their opening day cleanup hitter, Jacobs, for assignment, as well as had a veteran of 14 years make his first ever start in the 4 hole, Frank Catalanotto. It's gonna be a long season.

Logan · 04-19-2010, 10:06 PM

There was no reason for Davis not to be playing as soon as Daniel Murphy got hurt. He looked good in his debut, 2 for 4 with an RBI.

lordscarlet · 04-20-2010, 08:38 AM

I'm very confused. Starting Pitchers are allowed to pitch more than 4 innings? (see: Washington Nationals -- another good start, this time by Craig Stammen)

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-20-2010, 09:23 AM

Will Carroll (yeah, yeah) has been blathering on twitter that there will be a PED suspension coming soon.

DeToxRox · 04-20-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Will Carroll (yeah, yeah) has been blathering on twitter that there will be a PED suspension coming soon.

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Barring a reversal in the appeal process, a major league player will be suspended in the next 48 hours for using performance-enhancing drugs, according to multiple sources.

The player is well-known but not a major star and not a member of the Yankees, one source said. Craig Calcaterra of NBCSports.com reported that the player is a National League pitcher.

Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus was the first to report that a suspension was imminent.

And the legend of Micah Owens is explained.

Ksyrup · 04-20-2010, 01:20 PM

I love that they explicitly state that it's not a Yankee. Not a star and not a Yankee = don't start jumping up and down laughing your asses off.

Logan · 04-20-2010, 01:23 PM

Probably Pelfrey, he's all of a sudden not sucking.

stevew · 04-20-2010, 01:27 PM

I bet it's someone on/was on the Pirates. Like Matt Capps or Paul Maholm.

lordscarlet · 04-20-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I love that they explicitly state that it's not a Yankee. Not a star and not a Yankee = don't start jumping up and down laughing your asses off.

That was my first thought.

lordscarlet · 04-20-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I bet it's someone on/was on the Pirates. Like Matt Capps or Paul Maholm.

Please, no

stevew · 04-20-2010, 01:33 PM

Matt Capps has an awesome FASTBALL! so he's obviously a roider. And that would be hilarious since he's chistled up like a dough boy.

Dr. Sak · 04-20-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I bet it's someone on/was on the Pirates. Like Matt Capps or Paul Maholm.

Zack Duke

Butter · 04-20-2010, 01:46 PM

Bronson Arroyo. Guy has gone on the record with his lax attitude toward enhancements.

stevew · 04-20-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Zack Duke

Nah, he was an All Star so he'd actually be notable. I think anyways.

Dr. Sak · 04-20-2010, 01:51 PM

It has to be Jamie Moyer

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-20-2010, 01:56 PM

It's Edinson Volquez!

http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/statuses/12531828104

Logan · 04-20-2010, 02:00 PM

For any of the Met fans out there...somehow in hearing about the story of how Francouer conducted an interview to defend Jerry Manuel after an ESPN report came out saying that he, Santana, Reyes, etc all wanted him gone, I missed the full details of how it originated. Turns out it came from ESPN Radio's Seth Everett appearing on Baseball Tonight. Very weird for me, as Everett is a good family friend of mine (that's his middle name, not his real last name) and he was very tight with my brother growing up. Can't think it helps his career at all, considering the guys on the Mets claim he's never even been around any of the players and had no basis for this report.

Logan · 04-20-2010, 02:03 PM

Countdown to Volquez' statement that he was trying to lose weight and took something that didn't have the key ingredient listed...

Butter · 04-20-2010, 02:05 PM

Volquez was considered out until at least July anyway. We'll just chalk that up to out for the season. Embarrassing, yes. But it's not like the Reds were going to be contending for anything this year anyway considering that over-the-weekend sweep at Pittsburgh.

Logan · 04-20-2010, 02:06 PM

I won't speak for anyone else, but personally, I think we're way past the point where players getting busted for these things should lead to a team feeling any embarrassment.

stevew · 04-20-2010, 02:08 PM

So if he's on the DL, does the suspension run concurrently? Or do they wait til he's healthy again, and then suspend him.

I mean, pitching for Dusty is almost punishment enough.

Ksyrup · 04-20-2010, 02:09 PM

He was using something to help him recover from the injury.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-20-2010, 02:13 PM

Inexplicably it seems he can serve it while injured.

That whole Volquez-Hamilton trade sure seems like much ado about nothing now when it was a huge trade two years ago.

SackAttack · 04-20-2010, 02:25 PM

What I was just reading is the suspension won't kick in until he's activated from the 60-day.

Lathum · 04-20-2010, 02:29 PM

If they really want to punish him don't suspend him and make him be a starter for a Dusty Baker led team.

They should allow Bakers starters to take PED's just as a counter measure.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 04-20-2010, 02:30 PM

Cincinnati Reds right-hander Edinson Volquez suspended 50 games - ESPN

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Volquez is recovering from surgery on his right elbow and is expected back around midseason. Volquez can serve the suspension while on the disabled list, [MLB spokesman Pat]Courtney said, and will lose a little less than one-third of his $445,000 salary.

stevew · 04-20-2010, 02:33 PM

In a case like this, where a guy is on the DL long term, they should wait until he's just about to be reactivated. And be like "hold on there buddy."

DaddyTorgo · 04-20-2010, 02:40 PM

It's ridiculous he can serve it while he's not on an active roster. Not that the MLB steroid policy is great or anything, but that really rubs in that it's just a fucking joke.

JPhillips · 04-20-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

It's ridiculous he can serve it while he's not on an active roster. Not that the MLB steroid policy is great or anything, but that really rubs in that it's just a fucking joke.

I get the point, but if he was healthy and serving the suspension he wouldn't be on the active roster during the suspension. You don't have to keep a spot on the 25 man empty during a suspension.

k0ruptr · 04-20-2010, 02:43 PM

I agree thats stupid he can serve it while on the DL. so If a guy is out for the season, why not try to take PEDs to recover faster? its not like you will miss any actual time.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-20-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

I agree thats stupid he can serve it while on the DL. so If a guy is out for the season, why not try to take PEDs to recover faster? its not like you will miss any actual time.

Because, IIRC, players aren't paid by their clubs while suspended by the league, meaning that they would be forfeiting their salaries while doing so.

Ksyrup · 04-20-2010, 02:53 PM

Yeah, the penalty for the player is the money. The team is taking the hit for him not being able to play.

DaddyTorgo · 04-20-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I get the point, but if he was healthy and serving the suspension he wouldn't be on the active roster during the suspension. You don't have to keep a spot on the 25 man empty during a suspension.

but i'm saying he should have to be on the active roster at the beginning of the suspension. and shouldn't be allowed to be moved to the DL during it.

they could easily write a rule covering the spirit of what i'm saying...we don't need to get nitty-gritty about the details.

k0ruptr · 04-20-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Because, IIRC, players aren't paid by their clubs while suspended by the league, meaning that they would be forfeiting their salaries while doing so.

ahh thats right, I'm dumb and forget these things sometimes. thanks for the reminder

04-18-2010, 05:32 PM	#504
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Wells have proven in the past that he can hit .280 to .300, hit 25 or so home runs and drive in 100+. I'm sure the team had hoped he'd elevate past that when they signed him to that contract, but as he's gotten healthier, he's sure looking more and more like that hitter again. Thank goodness, because that black hole playing first for the Jays sure isn't doing anything to help the squad out (and hasn't in quite some time). __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

04-18-2010, 08:07 PM	#509
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Putting Heyward at #2 in the lineup would be a disaster with our atrocious leadoff situation. And I don't get the hate for Prado. Guy has been solid the last two years. He's a good fit for the #2 spot. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

04-19-2010, 09:30 AM	#511
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That 20 inning game was something. We had been out all day and finally got to watch some TV at 9:30. When I turned on Fox for the 10pm news, the game was still on! I bet that's not what Fox or the local affiliates had in mind for a game that started at 4:10. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-19-2010, 11:08 AM	#512
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04-19-2010, 11:15 AM	#513
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04-19-2010, 01:28 PM	#514
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	They most definitely aren't, but I think this early season swoon shows some big holes, namely in terms of replacing Bay's bat (and Ortiz hasn't rebounded) and pitching (Lackey was not an answer). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-19-2010, 06:05 PM	#517
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	Mets promoted Ike Davis today, gonna get his first big league start. On another Mets note, they have already designated their opening day cleanup hitter, Jacobs, for assignment, as well as had a veteran of 14 years make his first ever start in the 4 hole, Frank Catalanotto. It's gonna be a long season. Last edited by JS19 : 04-19-2010 at 06:06 PM.

04-19-2010, 10:06 PM	#518
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	There was no reason for Davis not to be playing as soon as Daniel Murphy got hurt. He looked good in his debut, 2 for 4 with an RBI.

04-20-2010, 08:38 AM	#519
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04-20-2010, 09:23 AM	#520
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Will Carroll (yeah, yeah) has been blathering on twitter that there will be a PED suspension coming soon. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-20-2010, 01:20 PM	#522
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I love that they explicitly state that it's not a Yankee. Not a star and not a Yankee = don't start jumping up and down laughing your asses off. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-20-2010, 01:23 PM	#523
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Probably Pelfrey, he's all of a sudden not sucking.

04-20-2010, 01:27 PM	#524
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I bet it's someone on/was on the Pirates. Like Matt Capps or Paul Maholm.

04-20-2010, 01:33 PM	#527
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Matt Capps has an awesome FASTBALL! so he's obviously a roider. And that would be hilarious since he's chistled up like a dough boy.

04-20-2010, 01:46 PM	#529
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Bronson Arroyo. Guy has gone on the record with his lax attitude toward enhancements. __________________ My listening habits

04-20-2010, 01:51 PM	#531
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	It has to be Jamie Moyer

04-20-2010, 01:56 PM	#532
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	It's Edinson Volquez! http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/statuses/12531828104 __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 04-20-2010 at 01:57 PM.

04-20-2010, 02:00 PM	#533
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	For any of the Met fans out there...somehow in hearing about the story of how Francouer conducted an interview to defend Jerry Manuel after an ESPN report came out saying that he, Santana, Reyes, etc all wanted him gone, I missed the full details of how it originated. Turns out it came from ESPN Radio's Seth Everett appearing on Baseball Tonight. Very weird for me, as Everett is a good family friend of mine (that's his middle name, not his real last name) and he was very tight with my brother growing up. Can't think it helps his career at all, considering the guys on the Mets claim he's never even been around any of the players and had no basis for this report.

04-20-2010, 02:03 PM	#534
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Countdown to Volquez' statement that he was trying to lose weight and took something that didn't have the key ingredient listed...

04-20-2010, 02:05 PM	#535
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Volquez was considered out until at least July anyway. We'll just chalk that up to out for the season. Embarrassing, yes. But it's not like the Reds were going to be contending for anything this year anyway considering that over-the-weekend sweep at Pittsburgh. __________________ My listening habits

04-20-2010, 02:06 PM	#536
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I won't speak for anyone else, but personally, I think we're way past the point where players getting busted for these things should lead to a team feeling any embarrassment.

04-20-2010, 02:08 PM	#537
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	So if he's on the DL, does the suspension run concurrently? Or do they wait til he's healthy again, and then suspend him. I mean, pitching for Dusty is almost punishment enough.

04-20-2010, 02:09 PM	#538
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	He was using something to help him recover from the injury. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-20-2010, 02:13 PM	#539
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Inexplicably it seems he can serve it while injured. That whole Volquez-Hamilton trade sure seems like much ado about nothing now when it was a huge trade two years ago. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

04-20-2010, 02:25 PM	#540
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	What I was just reading is the suspension won't kick in until he's activated from the 60-day.

04-20-2010, 02:29 PM	#541
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	If they really want to punish him don't suspend him and make him be a starter for a Dusty Baker led team. They should allow Bakers starters to take PED's just as a counter measure.

04-20-2010, 02:33 PM	#543
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	In a case like this, where a guy is on the DL long term, they should wait until he's just about to be reactivated. And be like "hold on there buddy."

04-20-2010, 02:40 PM	#544
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04-20-2010, 02:43 PM	#546
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I agree thats stupid he can serve it while on the DL. so If a guy is out for the season, why not try to take PEDs to recover faster? its not like you will miss any actual time. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

04-20-2010, 02:53 PM	#548
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah, the penalty for the player is the money. The team is taking the hit for him not being able to play. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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