The 2010 MLB Season Thread - Page 57

Atocep · 07-30-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Berkman to Yanks:

5:09pm: The deal is done and Berkman has approved it, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Yankees have to wait 24 hours before the deal is officially complete because of Berkman's ten and five rights.

According to Buster Olney the Astros are picking up most of his salary for this year and next and getting back no one really worth mentioning.

rowech · 07-30-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

According to Buster Olney the Astros are picking up most of his salary for this year and next and getting back no one really worth mentioning.

Then why make the trade? These GM's are becoming so stupid if that's the case.

Atocep · 07-30-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Then why make the trade? These GM's are becoming so stupid if that's the case.

Drayton McLane stepped in and forced Ed Wade to deal Oswalt and Berkman is what I've read.

When your owner forces a deal to be made this is what you end up with.

Ksyrup · 07-30-2010, 07:24 PM

Berkman apparently vetoed a trade to the White Sox too, which may have hamstrung them from getting anything of value for him.

Big Fo · 07-30-2010, 09:39 PM

Big hit by Heyward to give the Braves a two run lead in the tenth inning. Prado might have injured himself on the slide at home plate, hopefully he's okay...

Scoobz0202 · 07-30-2010, 09:42 PM

Cordero.. You make me sick.

rowech · 07-30-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Cordero.. You make me sick.

Guess that's why Izzy's at AAA right now.

Atocep · 07-30-2010, 10:13 PM

I've been wondering what the hell Soto could have possibly done to be banished to the 7 or 8 spot in the lineup every night despite a .900+ OPS.

Ksyrup · 07-30-2010, 11:02 PM

Damn... Colorado has scored 12 runs in one inning against the Cubs. And still going. I think I heard the guy say they have 11 straight hits.

Chief Rum · 07-30-2010, 11:03 PM

Although as an Angels fan, Cuban owning the Rangers would be bad for my team, I would welcome a win at all costs guy like that to baseball, and have always liked Cuban as an owner in the NBA. Plus, anyone who follows Moreno knows he doesn't like to lose, and he also has plenty of cash. So if Cuban joins up and ups the ante in Texas, guaranteed, Moreno's going all in, too. That will make the AL West much more interesting.

Speaking of interesting, wild game out here in Anaheim vs the Rangers.

By scoring half innings...

Rangers 3, Angels 0
Rangers 5, Angels 0
Rangers 5, Angels 4
Rangers 7, Angels 4
Angels 8, Rangers 7

...and we're only in the fifth.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 07-30-2010, 11:21 PM

LOL @ Orioles. At least we're not THAT bad.

stevew · 07-31-2010, 02:06 AM

thank god the Pirates traded for a catcher. Can't take any more Doumit.

bhlloy · 07-31-2010, 02:23 AM

If the Jackson for Dunn thing has any truth to it at all (and Buster Olney is reporting the Nats told multiple teams the same thing and multiple teams were trying to get Jackson) that's a major dbag move and breach of etiquette. We'll see how it plays out but right now the White Sox traded their best prospect for a guy they didn't want.

If true it's also the kind of thing that will bite the Nats in the ass big time as they will have multiple GM's gunning for them. I don't see how you could continue dealing in good faith with a team if they pulled a stunt like this.

stevew · 07-31-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

How's his defense/game calling? What in the world happened to drop him to the low to mid .700s for OPS?

fragile as shit. Gotta be the worst defensive player ever. Chisox should trade for him to DH. Plays 1b like David Ortiz.

stevew · 07-31-2010, 03:17 AM

Doumit is one of those switch hitters that needs to give up. I'd say his catching skills are 30/80

Ksyrup · 07-31-2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Buster Olney is a toolbag. He, Ken Rosenthal, Gammons etc. are simply douchebags that parrot whatever teams tell them to sound like they have any idea what is going on.

Tim Kurkjan has mentioned several times that he's asked Mike Rizzo directly about trading Dunn and that the stance has been the same for weeks now. The Nats have not shopped Dunn at all and will only move him if teams come with blowaway offers. This mostly bullshit by the White Sox since the Nats told them it would take Hudson/Viciedo to get Dunn.

The Nats just did the classy thing and moved two of their tradeable pieces to teams that have real playoff chances and got good return. Other than a few asshat talking head media jackoffs no one has had anything negative to say about dealing with Rizzo.

Oh, I get it - a bunch of teams are posturing, giving the exact same information to multiple people, but your team is not. Gotcha!

Ksyrup · 07-31-2010, 08:07 AM

Rays get Chad Qualls.

rowech · 07-31-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Rays get Chad Qualls.

condolences

samifan24 · 07-31-2010, 10:28 AM

The Cardinals are on the verge of acquiring Jake Westbrook from the Tribe. No word yet on who they're sending the other way.

rowech · 07-31-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Name anyone other than media jackoffs and the mentally unstable Kenny Williams saying otherwise.

No other team has been linked, just a bunch of bullshit by Olney for the most part.

Kurkjian is a moron who somehow has gotten to where he is by being a nice guy. I'll gladly take Olney over him anyday. Gammons too. While I'm not a big Rosenthal fan, I'll take him as well.

tarcone · 07-31-2010, 10:59 AM

Ryan Ludwick to the Padres?

I like this. Ludwick is a FA. Jay jas been a spark to the team. And as inconsistent as the team has been, may as well get something for one of those bats.

samifan24 · 07-31-2010, 11:51 AM

Westbrook to Cardinals, Ludwick to Padres, prospects to Indians.

korme · 07-31-2010, 12:07 PM

Seems to be a good trade all around. Cards get a good (4th best on their team?) starter... Pads get an OFer they needed, which Cards could afford to ship (Jon Jay becomes the everyday RFer, batting .396 in ~150 PAs), and Tribe gets some 'spects.

Lets go Reds. Lets get Hanley Ramirez and Ichiro.

RedKingGold · 07-31-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Every Nationals fan knows that Tampa/SF are the frontrunners right now and that the Nats haven't spent one second shopping Dunn.

I didn't know the Nationals had fans. I thought they were an autonomous collective.

Arles · 07-31-2010, 12:29 PM

Cards get Westbrook and prospect Nick Greenwood from SD
Padres get Ludwick
Indians get a better prospect from the Padres in AA pitcher Corey Kluber.

All in all, the Cards made out pretty well. Westbrook's a ground-ball guy and those pitchers usually do very well under Duncan. If he has a 4.65 ERA in Cleveland, I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the mid-3s for the Cards. Not bad for a 4th starter.

Arles · 07-31-2010, 12:35 PM

DBacks made a "ho-hum" move in the Snyder trade. He had been terrible (and makes $6 mil) and they moved Snyder and a minor league SS no one has heard of for a decent reliever (Carrasco) and two veteran hitters batting around the mendoza line (Bobby Crosby and Ryan Church). Looks like the DBacks just wanted the bullpen arm and to unload Snyder's $6 mil, taking on the other two as salaries (combined $2.5 mil).

Edit: Arizona's also sending cash - so it may end up being a wash financially with Carrasco going to the DBacks and Snyder to the Pirates as the main pieces.

Swaggs · 07-31-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

thank god the Pirates traded for a catcher. Can't take any more Doumit.

I wish they could dump him, rather than platoon him. He cannot catch the ball, whether he is behind the plate, at first base or in the outfield. And, for a player with such mediocre skills and accomplishments, he seems to get hurt several times a season and he speaks out to the media a little too often for my liking.

The Pirates front office gets knocked around a lot but they have, for the most part, sold too early rather than too late of late (Nady, Bay, Wilson, Sanchez, McClouth, etc.). Doumit is someone that they probably could have gotten a good haul for in the early part of last season.

Swaggs · 07-31-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

DBacks made a "ho-hum" move in the Snyder trade. He had been terrible (and makes $6 mil) and they moved Snyder and a minor league SS no one has heard of for a decent reliever (Carrasco) and two veteran hitters batting around the mendoza line (Bobby Crosby and Ryan Church). Looks like the DBacks just wanted the bullpen arm and to unload Snyder's $6 mil, taking on the other two as salaries (combined $2.5 mil).

Hopefully, the Pirates got a little cash in the deal, although I think Snyder only has one more guaranteed year on his deal. I'm cool with them getting a serviceable catcher, even if his bat seems to be deteriorating, to bridge them until Tony Sanchez is ready. Sanchez was tearing it up and progressing through the system well, but got hit in the face and is likely out for the rest of the season.

Getting Doumit out from behind the plate and getting rid of Church, who the Pirates just would not release for some reason, is reason enough for this deal from my perspective.

Ksyrup · 07-31-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

You mean Gammons who said Dunn to the Yankees was a lock less than an hour before the Berkman deal was announced?
.

Reading comprehension.

Gammons reported that sources inside the Rays were convinced that Dunn was going to the Yankees. He did not report that Dunn was going to the Yankees. If anyone was wrong, it was whomever in the Rays thought Dunn to the Yankees was going to happen.

Swaggs · 07-31-2010, 12:45 PM

I'm kind of hoping the Bucs can flip Octavio Dotel, even if we have to pay his salary, into something decent. He had a rough patch at the beginning of the season, but has been pitching really well since May. Seems like he could be a good set up man for a contender.

Swaggs · 07-31-2010, 12:51 PM

Looks like the Pirates get $3-million from the D-Backs.

Arles · 07-31-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Hopefully, the Pirates got a little cash in the deal, although I think Snyder only has one more guaranteed year on his deal. I'm cool with them getting a serviceable catcher, even if his bat seems to be deteriorating, to bridge them until Tony Sanchez is ready. Sanchez was tearing it up and progressing through the system well, but got hit in the face and is likely out for the rest of the season.

Getting Doumit out from behind the plate and getting rid of Church, who the Pirates just would not release for some reason, is reason enough for this deal from my perspective.

The local AZ beat guy said that Church/Crosby are expiring guys to make up what was still owed to Snyder. They like Carrasco for next year (arb guy) and are paying Pitt around $3 mil of the $6.5 he's owed next year.

All in all, not a bad deal for either side. But nothing to get excited about.

MizzouRah · 07-31-2010, 12:53 PM

I'm going to miss Luddy.. but this was his last year as a Cardinal either way.

samifan24 · 07-31-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm cool with them getting a serviceable catcher, even if his bat seems to be deteriorating, to bridge them until Tony Sanchez is ready. Sanchez was tearing it up and progressing through the system well, but got hit in the face and is likely out for the rest of the season.

I thought the Buccos were asking Sanchez to play winter ball to make up for lost ABs due to the injury. Is that no longer the case?

korme · 07-31-2010, 01:55 PM

c. trent rosecrans replied to my tweet, i've hit the big time

JonInMiddleGA · 07-31-2010, 02:53 PM

Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt and two minor-league pitchers.

samifan24 · 07-31-2010, 04:02 PM

Kerry Wood to the Yankees. That's one less bad Shapiro contract on the team. Now if we could just get rid of Hackner...

RedKingGold · 07-31-2010, 04:25 PM

Have the Yankees just given up on a farm system?

Atocep · 07-31-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Have the Yankees just given up on a farm system?

Did they actually give up a prospect in any of these deals?

Berkman is likely a type-A which probably gets them more in return than they gave up in any of these trades.

samifan24 · 07-31-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Have the Yankees just given up on a farm system?

No, they still have Jesus Montero and Dellin Betances.

Poli · 07-31-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Have the Yankees just given up on a farm system?

I thought their farm system consisted of any team playing subpar baseball.

jbergey22 · 07-31-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

I thought their farm system consisted of any team playing subpar baseball.

+1.

stevew · 07-31-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I wish they could dump him, rather than platoon him. He cannot catch the ball, whether he is behind the plate, at first base or in the outfield. And, for a player with such mediocre skills and accomplishments, he seems to get hurt several times a season and he speaks out to the media a little too often for my liking.

The Pirates front office gets knocked around a lot but they have, for the most part, sold too early rather than too late of late (Nady, Bay, Wilson, Sanchez, McClouth, etc.). Doumit is someone that they probably could have gotten a good haul for in the early part of last season.

He's so injury prone and the fact that both you and I can acknowledge that he's a shitty player probably means that anyone(save Ed Wade/Kaaaaahhhnnn) can tell he's not worth trading for. Doumit in Right Field is going to be hilarious. I can't wait.

07-30-2010, 07:24 PM	#2804
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Berkman apparently vetoed a trade to the White Sox too, which may have hamstrung them from getting anything of value for him. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-30-2010, 11:02 PM	#2810
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Damn... Colorado has scored 12 runs in one inning against the Cubs. And still going. I think I heard the guy say they have 11 straight hits. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-30-2010, 11:03 PM	#2811
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Although as an Angels fan, Cuban owning the Rangers would be bad for my team, I would welcome a win at all costs guy like that to baseball, and have always liked Cuban as an owner in the NBA. Plus, anyone who follows Moreno knows he doesn't like to lose, and he also has plenty of cash. So if Cuban joins up and ups the ante in Texas, guaranteed, Moreno's going all in, too. That will make the AL West much more interesting. Speaking of interesting, wild game out here in Anaheim vs the Rangers. By scoring half innings... Rangers 3, Angels 0 Rangers 5, Angels 0 Rangers 5, Angels 4 Rangers 7, Angels 4 Angels 8, Rangers 7 ...and we're only in the fifth. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-31-2010, 08:07 AM	#2822
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Rays get Chad Qualls. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-31-2010, 10:28 AM	#2824
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	The Cardinals are on the verge of acquiring Jake Westbrook from the Tribe. No word yet on who they're sending the other way. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

07-30-2010, 09:39 PM	#2806
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Big hit by Heyward to give the Braves a two run lead in the tenth inning. Prado might have injured himself on the slide at home plate, hopefully he's okay...

07-30-2010, 09:42 PM	#2807
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Cordero.. You make me sick.

07-30-2010, 10:13 PM	#2809
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	I've been wondering what the hell Soto could have possibly done to be banished to the 7 or 8 spot in the lineup every night despite a .900+ OPS.

07-30-2010, 11:21 PM	#2812
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	LOL @ Orioles. At least we're not THAT bad.

07-31-2010, 02:06 AM	#2814
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	thank god the Pirates traded for a catcher. Can't take any more Doumit.

07-31-2010, 02:23 AM	#2816
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	If the Jackson for Dunn thing has any truth to it at all (and Buster Olney is reporting the Nats told multiple teams the same thing and multiple teams were trying to get Jackson) that's a major dbag move and breach of etiquette. We'll see how it plays out but right now the White Sox traded their best prospect for a guy they didn't want. If true it's also the kind of thing that will bite the Nats in the ass big time as they will have multiple GM's gunning for them. I don't see how you could continue dealing in good faith with a team if they pulled a stunt like this.

07-31-2010, 03:17 AM	#2820
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Doumit is one of those switch hitters that needs to give up. I'd say his catching skills are 30/80

07-31-2010, 10:59 AM	#2827
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Ryan Ludwick to the Padres? I like this. Ludwick is a FA. Jay jas been a spark to the team. And as inconsistent as the team has been, may as well get something for one of those bats.

07-31-2010, 11:51 AM	#2829
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Westbrook to Cardinals, Ludwick to Padres, prospects to Indians. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

07-31-2010, 12:07 PM	#2830
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Seems to be a good trade all around. Cards get a good (4th best on their team?) starter... Pads get an OFer they needed, which Cards could afford to ship (Jon Jay becomes the everyday RFer, batting .396 in ~150 PAs), and Tribe gets some 'spects. Lets go Reds. Lets get Hanley Ramirez and Ichiro.

07-31-2010, 12:29 PM	#2832
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	Cards get Westbrook and prospect Nick Greenwood from SD Padres get Ludwick Indians get a better prospect from the Padres in AA pitcher Corey Kluber. All in all, the Cards made out pretty well. Westbrook's a ground-ball guy and those pitchers usually do very well under Duncan. If he has a 4.65 ERA in Cleveland, I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the mid-3s for the Cards. Not bad for a 4th starter. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

07-31-2010, 12:35 PM	#2833
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	DBacks made a "ho-hum" move in the Snyder trade. He had been terrible (and makes $6 mil) and they moved Snyder and a minor league SS no one has heard of for a decent reliever (Carrasco) and two veteran hitters batting around the mendoza line (Bobby Crosby and Ryan Church). Looks like the DBacks just wanted the bullpen arm and to unload Snyder's $6 mil, taking on the other two as salaries (combined $2.5 mil). Edit: Arizona's also sending cash - so it may end up being a wash financially with Carrasco going to the DBacks and Snyder to the Pirates as the main pieces. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com Last edited by Arles : 07-31-2010 at 12:40 PM.

07-31-2010, 12:45 PM	#2837
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm kind of hoping the Bucs can flip Octavio Dotel, even if we have to pay his salary, into something decent. He had a rough patch at the beginning of the season, but has been pitching really well since May. Seems like he could be a good set up man for a contender. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-31-2010, 12:51 PM	#2838
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Looks like the Pirates get $3-million from the D-Backs. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-31-2010, 12:53 PM	#2840
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I'm going to miss Luddy.. but this was his last year as a Cardinal either way.

07-31-2010, 01:55 PM	#2842
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	c. trent rosecrans replied to my tweet, i've hit the big time

07-31-2010, 02:53 PM	#2843
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Lilly & Theriot to the Dodgers for DeWitt and two minor-league pitchers. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

07-31-2010, 04:02 PM	#2844
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Kerry Wood to the Yankees. That's one less bad Shapiro contract on the team. Now if we could just get rid of Hackner... __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

07-31-2010, 04:25 PM	#2845
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Have the Yankees just given up on a farm system?

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