PayDirt/Strat-O-matic Football

[Galaril]

Has anybody played either of the PC version's of Paydirt or Strat-o-matic football? I know they are only season replay but they look pretty good. I am especially intrigued by the paydirt PC Game (Link)

http://datadrivenfootball.com/index_files/Page565.htm

[jbergey22]

Never played paydirt, Strat O Matic baseball is a great game however the football version sucks real bad.

[CraigSca]

Never played either of the computerized versions, but I did play the regular Paydirt as a kid (and liked it very much). If you're looking for a football game with excellent replay value, you really can't go wrong with SAT. Have you looked into that yet?

[Toddzilla]

Threadjack - I'm selling 30 old copies of the Strat-O-Matic Revies from 8/85 to 4/88 on eBay. Great stuff for SOF fans. End Threadjack.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

Never played either of the computerized versions, but I did play the regular Paydirt as a kid (and liked it very much). If you're looking for a football game with excellent replay value, you really can't go wrong with SAT. Have you looked into that yet?

What is SAT?

[21C]

Originally Posted by Galaril

What is SAT?

Second and Ten

http://roogames.co.uk/

[Galaril]

Oh,I do remember people talking about this one. How are the stats? Pretty NFL type realistic? Anyone ever try the college game BTW?

[jbergey22]

I've hear Action PC is the only way to go for a historical replay.

[RPisarzJr]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Has anybody played either of the PC version's of Paydirt or Strat-o-matic football? I know they are only season replay but they look pretty good. I am especially intrigued by the paydirt PC Game (Link)

http://www.datadrivenfootball.com/in...es/Page565.htm

Hello Group,

I am the designer of PC Paydirt, and can answer any questions you may have about my game or 2005 chart set.

If you've played Paydirt I urge you to try the free DEMO available for download here:
http://www.datadrivenfootball.com/do...s/dd05demo.zip

Visit the site to download the 2005 Super Bowl team charts which are also free!

Happy Holidays,
Ron Pisarz, Jr.
[email protected]

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Oh,I do remember people talking about this one. How are the stats? Pretty NFL type realistic? Anyone ever try the college game BTW?

Check their board on the delphi forums. It's great statistics-wise. The college version is one iteration behind the pro, but the goal in the new year is to update it so it's on par with the pro version.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Oh,I do remember people talking about this one. How are the stats? Pretty NFL type realistic? Anyone ever try the college game BTW?

Only played the demo on the college game, but once it's updated to match the pro, I expect it'll be a purchase for me too.

Meanwhile the stats for pro SAT are almost eerily accurate at times.

edit to add: I think it says a lot about the quality of SAT that I'm very much not a "replayer" by nature (I'm a career/campaign/dynasty player) but I'm coming toward the end of a 30+ year worst-teams replay now, on the heels of a 10 year get-Peyton-a-ring replay, with a history-of-the-Falcons replay completed with the previous version.

[Galaril]

Thanks guys for your feedback and welcome to the board Ron the developer for Paydirt PC game. I will definitely give the demo ashot. I am most interested in how the game plays solo. Since I will be playing only solo I am most interested how the AI is in game.

[RPisarzJr]

The AI is one of the more difficult aspects of the overall design. I can share my design document with you, but to summarize it is a "data-driven" soon-to-be updatable AI and still somewhat a work in progress. You can toggle in-game coaching allowing you to coach only offense or defense. Each team has it's own "playbook", and decisions are Game Situation specific. I define over 75K situations, and for each situation decision data is stored. Having this level of granularity allows for a comprehensive AI, but also increases the amount of work because each situation has to have the "correct" AI data. I am working on an interface allowing you to update this decision data.

I look forward to hearing your feedback.

Ron

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Never played paydirt, Strat O Matic baseball is a great game however the football version sucks real bad.

Are you serious? Why exactly does it suck? I own it and it is a very good football game. Playing against the computer coach is one of THE most challenging experiences you can have. I think it is a very good game.

Edit: For mor einformation about the football game go to www.stratfanforum.com/forums

[Galaril]

Is therea Home field advantage or weather effects in the pc game version of stratomatic football?

[Oilers9911]

No there is no weather or home field advantage built-in. Weather I think needs to be in there. Home field advantage i'm not sure about. I kind of think it takes care of itself as the better teams will win at home anyway and really, how much as home field helped Oakland for instance? However, if you like a VERY challenging game of footnall against the AI then I recommend Strat.

[PadresFan104]

SAT is the bomb. I helped the developer, Richard, with the design of the logic that chooses the game MVP's for the latest version of the game. I'm very proud to be mentioned in the credits of such a great game.

I know that you said you are only interested in single player, but here's a link to a season that a group of us from the Delphi boards are running, where you can browse the HTML that the game generates. This will give you an idea of the stats in a mixed-year league like we are running. (Just replace the hxxp with http)

hxxp://web.mac.com/sixwilsons/iWeb/DFL/Season3.html

Also, the CPU AI is the best of any sports game I've played. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that the game includes all teams from 1950 to 2005, and new seasons and yearly updates are free to cutomers. Finally, the customer service is top notch as well.

Al

[Galaril]

So, my choices have boiled down to Second and Ten or Strst-o-Matic Football. Tough choice. Are there any reviews for either pc game in the recent past? And thanks to everyone for responding to my questions. Merry Christams and Happy Holidays BTW

[FBPro]

SAT is really hard to beat, especially when you consider that there are over 50 NFL/AFL seasons included in the pkg. Also, IMO has more of a "football feel" than some games.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by FBPro

SAT is really hard to beat, especially when you consider that there are over 50 NFL/AFL seasons included in the pkg. Also, IMO has more of a "football feel" than some games.

I hate to sound like a narrow minded person, but I have reservation or two if the developers are non-american. In all honesty, I wasn't impressed with the SI boys baseball knowledge with OOTP 2006 and am a little more wary of this situation again.

[CraigSca]

If you download SAT, you can play the full version for 3 days. Try it out.

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by Galaril

I hate to sound like a narrow minded person, but I have reservation or two if the developers are non-american. In all honesty, I wasn't impressed with the SI boys baseball knowledge with OOTP 2006 and am a little more wary of this situation again.

In this case the developer of the COMPUTER game SAT is non-American, however the developer of the original board game First and Ten is an American, not that it matters where they are from though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Galaril

I hate to sound like a narrow minded person, but I have reservation or two if the developers are non-american. In all honesty, I wasn't impressed with the SI boys baseball knowledge with OOTP 2006 and am a little more wary of this situation again.

As Oilers pointed out already, the designer of the game engine is an American while the programmer who translated it to p.c. isn't. At any rate, I definitely shared your reservations about that issue until I played the game. I'm not sure how they were able to make it work out so well, but the proof that they did is definitely in the playing.

I'd suggest playing the demo, but make sure you try it out when you've got time to really dig into it. The more I play, the more impressed I am by the game, and it's such a different experience than most of the computer sports game that it takes a little while to really get into it (or at least it did for me).

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Oilers9911

In this case the developer of the COMPUTER game SAT is non-American, however the developer of the original board game First and Ten is an American, not that it matters where they are from though.

No I agree, and hate to mention. I just want to make sure that the representation is nfl football not an amalgam of the worlds footbal rules e.g Max Football.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

If you download SAT, you can play the full version for 3 days. Try it out.

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

As Oilers pointed out already, the designer of the game engine is an American while the programmer who translated it to p.c. isn't. At any rate, I definitely shared your reservations about that issue until I played the game. I'm not sure how they were able to make it work out so well, but the proof that they did is definitely in the playing.

I'd suggest playing the demo, but make sure you try it out when you've got time to really dig into it. The more I play, the more impressed I am by the game, and it's such a different experience than most of the computer sports game that it takes a little while to really get into it (or at least it did for me).

Thanks again guys. I will play the demo for SAT and check it out the simple fact there is ademo makes it very likely if I choose one of the two ,Stratomatic or SAT, it will be SAT. Once again not having a demo for there product hurts a developer.

[PadresFan104]

Echoing what others have said, there is nothing in the game that suggests the developer is from the UK. I was worried about that too when I discovered the game last year. Which reminds me, the Play By Play is very very good.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by PadresFan104

Echoing what others have said, there is nothing in the game that suggests the developer is from the UK. I was worried about that too when I discovered the game last year. Which reminds me, the Play By Play is very very good.

Wow. I played agam with my beloved 1999 Titans the year the lost the super bowl by one yard. My first game the Browns smoked me 23-3. Great game. loads of fun and incredible PBP.This is probably going to be a purchase.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by PadresFan104

Echoing what others have said, there is nothing in the game that suggests the developer is from the UK. I was worried about that too when I discovered the game last year. Which reminds me, the Play By Play is very very good.

Wow. I played a game with my beloved 1999 Titans the year the lost the super bowl by one yard. My first game the Browns smoked me 23-3. Great game. loads of fun and incredible PBP.This is probably going to be a purchase.

[AgustusM]

downloaded both of these demos and will give them a try. Played the playdirt board game as a kid, but never heard of first and ten.

I do think those interested should check out Action Replay Football - I loved the game, I just didn't like the fact that you had to buy each season.

Having said that I much prefer the playcalling and presentation of action replay over FOF. Of course FOF kills it in all other areas - an ideal game for me would be the detail and continuity of FOF, with the in-game of Action Replay. The in-game of FOF is the one place that leaves me unsatisfied.

http://www.dksports.com/football.htm

[RPisarzJr]

I have many users who play these other games and speak very highly of them. The Paydirt engine is much older, designed for board game play, and probably not as in-depth as these other games, but if you are a fan of the board game you definitely need to try my demo.

The Paydirt engine performs surprisingly well, and you will enjoy the ease of play compared to some of these games. Many of the same users who own these other games do come back to Paydirt as being their favorite. The ease of play, accuracy, and team charts really have kept this game around over the decades. My custom-designed Paydirt chart sets will rival any of the classic Paydirt sets and allow you to play Paydirt using today's NFL teams. The chart set of course can be used with my PC game, or you can use the charts with a copy of your board game.

Best Regards and Happy Holidays,
Ron Pisarz, Jr.

[Oilers9911]

Originally Posted by Galaril

No I agree, and hate to mention. I just want to make sure that the representation is nfl football not an amalgam of the worlds footbal rules e.g Max Football.

It is NFL football for sure, no doubt about it.

[Galaril]

Is there a mnaual or game guide for Second and Ten?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Is there a mnaual or game guide for Second and Ten?

I think that everything is covered in the help file, which is accessible from within the game. I'm guessing that it's complete in the demo version (not sure what version the current demo is) but I can't say for sure.

[Galaril]

Thanks Jon it is.

[Galaril]

Well, after getting this and playing, I can say that I ma realy looking forward to the college game being updated so I can get it as well.

[daveroswell]

After playing Paydirt in the World Boadgaming Championships for the first time last year, I was very excited to try the PC version. For some reason it didn't work on my system.

[RPisarzJr]

Originally Posted by daveroswell

After playing Paydirt in the World Boadgaming Championships for the first time last year, I was very excited to try the PC version. For some reason it didn't work on my system.

Hi Dave,

What is your operating system? I was at the WBC and recall meeting you. If you have a problem, please email me as I will respond promptly. Did you download the DEMO or full version? The full version will not work until registration keys are issued.

My software does require version 1.1 of the .NET Framework. It is free to download from Microsoft and the link is available on my website.
www.datadrivenfootball.com

If that is not the issue please provide details, and I will ensure your software is functional.

Best Regards,
Ron Pisarz, Jr.

[daveroswell]

I'm running Windows XP, and it was the demo.

[RPisarzJr]

Here is the link to download the current demo:
http://www.datadrivenfootball.com/do...s/dd05demo.zip

Feel free to give it a try. If you have any issue, email me directly
[email protected] , and I will promptly reply. The demo uses the 2005 Super Bowl teams, and the charts can be downloaded from my site or the software can export the charts to html format allowing you to view or print.

[AFShadow]

If anyone is a SOM football player and enjoys either the NFL or Collage 80s:
I have two ebay items with multi seasons set bundled together. these are rare and no longer in print so good deals.:
Strat o matic College Football 1986-1989 seasons - eBay (item 170566779172 end time Nov-25-10 11:46:04 PST)
Strat o matic Football Complete 1989 - 1993 Season Sets - eBay (item 170566774987 end time Nov-25-10 11:36:11 PST)

[Oilers9911]

Strat computer football is an excellent game. The computer opponent is very tough to beat and it feels like real football. You have the choice of many available past seasons as well. I highly recommend Strat-o-Matic.