World Wide Leader in...Screwups?

[moriarty]

Maybe this is his thing at the golf channel:

Note to self, need to watch more golf channel. Setting up the DVR for "Top10" hosted by Lauren Thompson.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The next step? The guy made an un-PC remark to a woman. Lot of older guys out there do it, just a generational thing (not saying it's right). .

So if he called someone a ni**er would that be OK, since he is older people from his generation probably used that word casually.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Maybe this is his thing at the golf channel:

Note to self, need to watch more golf channel. Setting up the DVR for "Top10" hosted by Lauren Thompson.

I had to google her and I must say....wowza.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I had to google her and I must say....wowza.

That's it, you're fired off of FOFC. How dare you call her wowza!?!?

I think it's ridiculous to be fired over this, but what the hell do I know.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

That's it, you're fired off of FOFC. How dare you call her wowza!?!?

I think it's ridiculous to be fired over this, but what the hell do I know.

Good thing I am favored bitch #2 then eh?

[Mustang]

Darn shame that Mel Gibson made sugar tits unusable.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Good thing I am favored bitch #2 then eh?

What the, why are you and Lathum favored bitches?

[tarcone]

In the 80s, Iowa football coach Hayden Fry was quoted in the paper, saying "You need to find a lil dumplin to do your wash then you taker her out to eat."

The lesbian-Feminist professors were all up in arms. They protested and whined and cried. The rest of the women in the state wore shirts that said "I would be proud to be Hayden Frys lil dumplin".

The woman should have said "Thank you" and went on with her life.

[molson]

This thread really shows, once again, how much further we are in this country with regards to racism and homophobia v. sexism. Sexism is cool, even funny. If this was a black co-worker and this old dope called him "boy", in the derogatory tone that was used here, you'd all be calling for his head.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by tarcone

In the 80s, Iowa football coach Hayden Fry was quoted in the paper, saying "You need to find a lil dumplin to do your wash then you taker her out to eat."

The lesbian-Feminist professors were all up in arms. They protested and whined and cried. The rest of the women in the state wore shirts that said "I would be proud to be Hayden Frys lil dumplin".

The woman should have said "Thank you" and went on with her life.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by molson

This thread really shows, once again, how much further we are in this country with regards to racism and homophobia v. sexism. Sexism is cool, even funny. If this was a black co-worker and this old dope called him "boy", in the derogatory tone that was used here, you'd all be calling for his head.

This.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I must have missed it - what did Tirico do?

Wait Tirico did something naughty?

Hmm, he seems so, what's the word, oh yeah, boring and conformist.

[Chief Rum]

So my cubicle mate at my day job had a tree blown over at his house that totaled two of his cars over the weekend. I was calling him Treebeard all day.

Can I get fired for that?

[Honolulu Blue]

I'll miss Ron Franklin, especially his signature call on breakaway runs ("Got 5, got 10... 17 yards!"). But there's no shortage of ex-jocks and others out there who ESPN thinks can call a competent game.

As for Jeannine Edwards... she's one of the few people on ESPN that I actually LIKE, rather than tolerate. Yes, she does mostly horse racing (owner/trainer interviews mainly) and I'm peeved that they've been cutting coverage for more poker reruns. She also does basketball sideline reporting. As a sideline reporter I think she's simultaneously over- and underqualified. The basic qualifications for a sideline reporter, IMO, are to be easy on the eyes, able to pronounce "meniscus" and similar words, and the ability to stick a mike in a hostile coach's face and ask silly questions. Jeannine qualifies on these grounds. She's not and doesn't pretend to be one of the guys who's super-knowledgeable about the game she's covering (except horse racing, which she does know a little).

That's my opinion, worth about what you paid for it.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Where is everyone getting he was fired?

He was pulled from a high profile but rather meaningless bowl game. Nowhere does it say he was fired.

I'm about to go on a rant of HiFi proportions about people not reading!

[Draft Dodger]

ESPN announcer dismissed over comments - CNN.com

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Where is everyone getting he was fired?

He was pulled from a high profile but rather meaningless bowl game. Nowhere does it say he was fired.

I'm about to go on a rant of HiFi proportions about people not reading!

hxxp://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/ESPN-fires-announcer-Ron-Franklin-after-sexist-comments-to-female-colleague-010411/?gt1=39002

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

ESPN announcer dismissed over comments - CNN.com

Originally Posted by bronconick

hxxp://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/ESPN-fires-announcer-Ron-Franklin-after-sexist-comments-to-female-colleague-010411/?gt1=39002

Oh sure....if you want to bring facts into it!!



I had only read the original SI article I had posted. My fault.

[Ksyrup]

Don't look on ESPN.com for a story about one of its announcers being fired!

I don't know the details and apparently it's fairly old news, but Tirico - and honestly, it's hard to believe - is one of the worst offenders at the WWL. Or so they say. COmpletely inappropriate comments, come-ons, stalkerish behavior, the works. But I think most of it is from his much earlier days.

[Drake]

Wait...so sexism isn't funny?

Fuck. That's like half of my material.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by tarcone

In the 80s, Iowa football coach Hayden Fry was quoted in the paper, saying "You need to find a lil dumplin to do your wash then you taker her out to eat."

The lesbian-Feminist professors were all up in arms. They protested and whined and cried. The rest of the women in the state wore shirts that said "I would be proud to be Hayden Frys lil dumplin".

The woman should have said "Thank you" and went on with her life.

Awesome post.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And we see how well a focus on p.c. instead of quality has worked for so many American businesses lately. Oh, wait.

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Seriously? I believe the thread you want is that way ------>

Why exactly is this directed at Steve and not Jon?

[Subby]

Originally Posted by molson

This thread really shows, once again, how much further we are in this country with regards to racism and homophobia v. sexism. Sexism is cool, even funny. If this was a black co-worker and this old dope called him "boy", in the derogatory tone that was used here, you'd all be calling for his head.

All might be stretching it.

[MikeVic]

I'll admit to not following this at all. What I know is that this dude called a female co-worker sweetcheeks or something during a meeting, and now he's dismissed from ESPN.

Is this a repeat offense? Did the female co-worker bring it p to him that she doesn't appreciate the comment? Or did it directly go to some head at ESPN and he's now dismissed?

[King of New York]

In one sense, it is too bad that there are no women participating in this thread, as surely they might have some relevant insights to share.

But in another sense, it is a really, really good thing that there are no women participating in this thread, for their sakes.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I'll admit to not following this at all. What I know is that this dude called a female co-worker sweetcheeks or something during a meeting, and now he's dismissed from ESPN.

Is this a repeat offense? Did the female co-worker bring it p to him that she doesn't appreciate the comment? Or did it directly go to some head at ESPN and he's now dismissed?

He called her sweet cheeks/sweet cakes, she asked him not to, he called her an asshole. She didn't report it, someone else who witnessed it reported it.

[Logan]

Anything having to do with sexism aside, I'll give him credit for one thing...you rarely hear a man call a woman an asshole. It makes it surprisingly effective if the situation dictates it. I don't think this did, but consider it a PSA from me to you.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by King of New York

In one sense, it is too bad that there are no women participating in this thread, as surely they might have some relevant insights to.

Yeah, but they're too busy in the kitchen.

Baaaazzzzing!

[molson]

Originally Posted by Drake

Wait...so sexism isn't funny?

Fuck. That's like half of my material.

Hey, I love a good racist or sexist joke as much as the next guy. But I seriously doubt that you (or 95% of posters here) have ever used a specific societal advantage (like race or gender) to demean or intimidate another specific person, face-to-face, in a serious, non-joking way. Normal people don't do that, ever.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by cartman

He called her sweet cheeks/sweet cakes, she asked him not to, he called her an asshole. She didn't report it, someone else who witnessed it reported it.

Ah ok... calling her an asshole in a non-joking way would be a bit much then and you'd think someone would report that then. I still think if this is a first-time offense, you get a warning first or something. Maybe a suspension. Being fired kind of seems harsh as a first offense.

[Ksyrup]

He also had an apparent on-air incident back in 2005 with Holly Rowe, I think (?), where she was lauding a DC for not giving up by using all 3 TOs in a blowout, and he said - on air - that's not giving up, it's 49-21 sweetheart, in a derogatory manner.

But there must be some bad blood between him and Edwards or something we're missing for him to snap at her twice like that for no apparent reason. Either that, or he just despises women who think they are uppity enough to talk about sports/business.

[SteveMax58]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Either that, or he just despises women who think they are uppity enough to talk about sports/business.

I would guess that's more likely the case here.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

What the, why are you and Lathum favored bitches?

You're going to have to do the math yourself, but I think they are the best titles ever.

It is probably too big of a hint, but it has to do with the fact that one of them was unable to infer that the "Pathetic 10" was actually a reference to the "Big 10". Who wouldn't naturally follow that, after all?

[Logan]

Mike Green?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So if he called someone a ni**er would that be OK, since he is older people from his generation probably used that word casually.

Are we comparing the N-word with sweetcakes?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Drake

My dad has started calling all the women he knows/meets/works with "hon" and "sweetheart" over the last ten years or so.

We had an old lady at my last job who was the receptionist. She'd always call me "hon". Wonder how many people feel she should have been fired.

[Ksyrup]

She shouldn't, but that's only because she kept the "asshole" part under her breath.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by tarcone

In the 80s, Iowa football coach Hayden Fry was quoted in the paper, saying "You need to find a lil dumplin to do your wash then you taker her out to eat."

The lesbian-Feminist professors were all up in arms. They protested and whined and cried. The rest of the women in the state wore shirts that said "I would be proud to be Hayden Frys lil dumplin".

The woman should have said "Thank you" and went on with her life.

Are you this ill-bred? Seriously?

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

We had an old lady at my last job who was the receptionist. She'd always call me "hon". Wonder how many people feel she should have been fired.

Dude, it wasn't the language used that was the problem. Why don't you get that?

Call your office pals hon, sweet cakes, darlin', whatever, it won't get you in trouble in most offices. Build up a track record for speaking condensingly to women, and use those same terms to belittle or intimidate a specific co-worker, to her face, that's a different story.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Are we comparing the N-word with sweetcakes?

Originally Posted by molson

Dude, it wasn't the language used that was the problem. Why don't you get that?

This. It is the demeaning tone that the words carried, so yes, I think they can be compared in an instance like this.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

Dude, it wasn't the language used that was the problem. Why don't you get that?

Call your office pals hon, sweet cakes, darlin', whatever, it won't get you in trouble in most offices. Build up a track record for speaking condensingly to women, and use those same terms to belittle or intimidate a specific co-worker, to her face, that's a different story.

What if it was a young guy reporting and he called him "sparky" in a deragatory way? Would that be grounds for firing too?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Are you this ill-bred? Seriously?

Yeah - I couldn't tell if tarcone was being sarcastic or if he's actually as much of a troglodyte as Jon.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What if it was a young guy reporting and he called him "sparky" in a deragatory way? Would that be grounds for firing too?

I think everyone in this thread should just agree to disagree and be done with it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What if it was a young guy reporting and he called him "sparky" in a deragatory way? Would that be grounds for firing too?

It comes down to societal power. white v. black, men v. women, citizens v. immigrants is not the same as old v. young, or what state you live in, or what team you root for, or whether you live in the country v. the city. I know from your comments about the constitution, you think every type of discrimination is inherently exactly the same, but all I can tell you that is not the view of our courts, or our society, or our workplaces.

If you think using someone's race or gender to belittle someone is acceptable, (or at least as acceptable as utilizing any other characteristic) all I can say is I'm glad you're in the minority on that.

Edit: And I'd say an old guy at ESPN who couldn't respect younger workers, and was condescending towads anyone under a certain age, who probably get the boot eventually too.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What if it was a young guy reporting and he called him "sparky" in a deragatory way? Would that be grounds for firing too?

Only if he resembled any of the actors who played Sparky in the National Lampoon's Vacation series.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by molson

This thread really shows, once again, how much further we are in this country with regards to racism and homophobia v. sexism. Sexism is cool, even funny. If this was a black co-worker and this old dope called him "boy", in the derogatory tone that was used here, you'd all be calling for his head.

Times 1,000,000! I was thinking of the "boy" reference when reading the first page.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by molson

It comes down to societal power. white v. black, men v. women, citizens v. immigrants is not the same as old v. young, or what state you live in, or what team you root for, or whether you live in the country v. the city. I know from your comments about the constitution, you think every type of discrimination is inherently exactly the same, but all I can tell you that is not the view of our courts, or our society, or our workplaces.

If you think using someone's race or gender to belittle someone is acceptable, (or at least as acceptable as utilizing any other characteristic) all I can say is I'm glad you're in the minority on that.

And to his point..."sparky" might be okay, but if I called the guy down the hall from me who's about 10 years past retirement age "gramps" I'd probably get a talking-to.

And now that I think about it...I'm 27 and a year ago when I described my group of trainees (22-24 year olds) as being "a good group of kids" I was told to be careful with my word choice. No one thought I was being disrespectful, but that's the point...you have to be careful. Edit: Like others said, it goes to intent and tone. No one thought I was being a dick when I called them "kids"...but if one of them messed something up and I rolled my eyes saying "kids..." and then corrected them, it probably would have risen up somewhere.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Logan

And to his point..."sparky" might be okay, but if I called the guy down the hall from me who's about 10 years past retirement age "gramps" I'd probably get a talking-to.

And now that I think about it...I'm 27 and a year ago when I described my group of trainees (22-24 year olds) as being "a good group of kids" I was told to be careful with my word choice. No one thought I was being disrespectful, but that's the point...you have to be careful. Edit: Like others said, it goes to intent and tone. No one thought I was being a dick when I called them "kids"...but if one of them messed something up and I rolled my eyes saying "kids..." and then corrected them, it probably would have risen up somewhere.

Ya, it comes down to respect for co-workers rather than any particular naughty words. If you can't respect young people, and you have to work with them, you're probably not going to last too long. The clearest evidence and expression of that disrespect is usually going to end up being some kind of verbal expression (like "kids"), but that's just evidence of the problem, not the problem itself.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think everyone in this thread should just agree to disagree and be done with it.

I'm not even really trying to argue with that statement. I'm genuinely interested in where the line is with people.

[Lathum]

Calling a female coworker sweet cheeks









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