Werewolf CXXVII -- The Godfather, VILLAGERS WIN

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

If EF is Tattaglia shouldn't one of us be dead?

Originally Posted by Autumn

Maybe you already are, Mckerney ;-)

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Phillip Tattaglia takes out a good guy in retaliation, and it's mckerney. mckerney was Appolonia and a good guy!

(it was random, honest!)

That was worth it to a minor degree.

[JAG]

Tyke was scanned good also Jackal. So it'd be you or J23 for me, but I don't suspect theres another. Has there been a game with six wolves before? (all on the same side, I'm not counting the Vegas game).

[EagleFan]

Though if you went with my plan it would have been epic...

[Zinto]

Vote Autumn
Vote Nightfall

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by JAG

Tyke was scanned good also Jackal. So it'd be you or J23 for me, but I don't suspect theres another. Has there been a game with six wolves before? (all on the same side, I'm not counting the Vegas game).

Right, good point. And I've no idea about that.

[JAG]

J23, bhlloy, and CF needed for unanimous nightfall.

[bhlloy]

Vote Autumn
Vote Nightfall

I thought we could only vote nightfall once a game, or is that not the standard WW rules?

[bhlloy]

BTW I scanned Zinto as a throwaway because I figured the game was over and he seemed as good as anyone. I guess Autumn would have been a better play huh?

Zinto is a wolf... just kidding. He's clean.

[JAG]

As far as I know there's no limit on the number of votes that can be nightfall, it's just that everyone has to agree with it.

In retrospect, it would've been better to scan one of the remaining neutrals rather than an unchallenged good role, but I don't think it will matter.

[J23]

vote Autumn
vote Nightfall

[J23]

vote Autumn
vote Nightfall

I really mean it this time!

[J23]

Only Chief left for nightfall. Hope he wakes up soon!

[J23]

Originally Posted by JAG

Tyke was scanned good also Jackal. So it'd be you or J23 for me, but I don't suspect theres another. Has there been a game with six wolves before? (all on the same side, I'm not counting the Vegas game).

I can't imagine that there's another. If there is, I think I have to vote Jackal only because I can't believe JAG would have killed Jeff to let us get the double wolf kill.

In my defense, my role counts double on villagers and yet I managed to stay almost completely clear of them (only being on CR day1 for a bit before switching to Tyke to nullify my vote, and bholly for a few minutes before his reveal.)

Anyway, I think the game should be over once CF stops in, so it likely doesn't matter.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by J23

Only Chief left for nightfall. Hope he wakes up soon!

Chief is still alive?

UNVOTE CRIMSONFOX
VOTE CHIEF RUM

This must be a zombie game.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

That was worth it to a minor degree.

[J23]

Bah! CF, CR, what's the difference.

[J23]

I'm really curious what the restrictions on the wolves' PMs were. With so many wolves, I'm sure there had to be some limiter that handicapped them a bit.

[CrimsonFox]

WOW My Spidey sense WAS right about Autumn all along! Autumn I am never trusting you again!

VOTE AUTUMN
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[CrimsonFox]

Glad i woke up

[CrimsonFox]

HAHAHAHA bhlloy and JAG you guys oh me a drink for saving your asses so many times.

[CrimsonFox]

owe, not oh (brain still asleep)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

BTW I scanned Zinto as a throwaway because I figured the game was over and he seemed as good as anyone. I guess Autumn would have been a better play huh?

Zinto is a wolf... just kidding. He's clean.

yeah I would have scanned Autumn or mckerney as they were the most suspect. BUt his lies are his own truth serum ironically

[Passacaglia]

All right, let's call this thing. Autumn was The Turk!

The Corleone Family wins!

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for playing everyone!

[jeff061]

BTW.

So I didnt try to save Darth because I didnt know he was a wolf . Two wolf teams, we couldnt communicate and didn't know each other.

I also thought Eagle may be seer, so we attacked him. He wasn't blocked by bodyguard, wolf just can't kill wolf.

[jeff061]

Good game all!!

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

WOW My Spidey sense WAS right about Autumn all along! Autumn I am never trusting you again!

VOTE AUTUMN
VOTE NIGHTFALL

Glad I was right about it to, thought I'd misjudged it after we caught EF.

[jeff061]

Also it was Martin, me and Lathum on my team.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

HAHAHAHA bhlloy and JAG you guys oh me a drink for saving your asses so many times.

You know what's funny? After you got the block D3, I was going to post in thread something like, "A wolf kill and a block, I need to buy Luca a drink after this game.". And that was before I even knew you had saved me with the block.

Good game village, a very good team effort. BTW Tyke, I'm impressed you were able to talk yourself out of lynched D1 + D2. bhlloy, I had no idea you were the seer. You new guys are pretty darn good.

[Autumn]

Dragged it out long enough. I would have offed myself!

You certainly had me, CF, though I still feel like it was just 'cause I was on you, and I would have been on you either way.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by jeff061

BTW.

So I didnt try to save Darth because I didnt know he was a wolf . Two wolf teams, we couldnt communicate and didn't know each other.

I also thought Eagle may be seer, so we attacked him. He wasn't blocked by bodyguard, wolf just can't kill wolf.

Oh, that's hilarious. So you took turns doing the NK?

[CrimsonFox]

Holy crap crazy game. No WONDER Martin and EF's voting was so weird. CRAZY good game Pass. Love all the extreme roles

[Autumn]

Yeah, the new guys did great. Now it's time to kick thier asses!

Having the two wolf teams made it hard. And then having all the roles in the game made it really hard. I knew from day one that we were going to get caught in the end. Our best chance (DV, EF and I) was to get EF trusted, since he had a possibly good role. But we didn't reveal soon enough and it blew up.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeff061

BTW.

So I didnt try to save Darth because I didnt know he was a wolf . Two wolf teams, we couldnt communicate and didn't know each other.

I also thought Eagle may be seer, so we attacked him. He wasn't blocked by bodyguard, wolf just can't kill wolf.

Yep. This was a byproduct of the last game where I was a wolf -- I felt like with 5 people, it was just too many, so I wanted to see how this would work, especially without the village knowing and making it a big talking point. I wondered if it might end up saving the wolves from themselves -- granted, wolves will typically vote another wolf to gain trust (see last game), but I was curious what it would be like if it happened without the wolves even knowing it.

[JAG]

Thanks Pass, fun game, rather nerve-wracking.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by JAG

Oh, that's hilarious. So you took turns doing the NK?

I think, though we weren't aware of what the rule was. That's how it turned out though, alternating.

Once there were four wolves left we could all chat (though at that point it was really three since Jeff and DV both bought it).

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Dragged it out long enough. I would have offed myself!

You certainly had me, CF, though I still feel like it was just 'cause I was on you, and I would have been on you either way.

But that's just it, it's never JUST because someone is on me. It's HOW you vote and WHAT you say (the general you) that always sets off an alarm. THe first three games I played this game when someone gives a long weird explanation that contains weird sometimes untrue thigns to me, they've turned up wolves. I've been paranoid of things like that ever since and learned to never disregard it.

You usually have lots of analysis but it is usually lighter and more supportive to ideas rather than trying to put THAT much direct suspicion on people.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by JAG

Oh, that's hilarious. So you took turns doing the NK?

It was random. You both submitted orders, random which team got the kill, sometimes both could.

So really we could have submitted the kill on Eagle and the other team could have actually gone after someone who was protected by BG, and maybe we just didn't even attempt on EF.

Crazy game for wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JAG

Oh, that's hilarious. So you took turns doing the NK?

It would have been random, but randomness was never needed. Night 1, Danny was protected by Luca, so the other team got the kill. Nights 2 and 3, EagleFan kept getting attacked by the other wolf team, and I was not going to allow wolves to kill each other, so the other team got the kill. Once there were 4 or less wolves, they were going to be combined, and I think that happened by Night 4?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JAG

Thanks Pass, fun game, rather nerve-wracking.

I've been uberstressed all week ever since day 2. Geez 6 wolves with all those "against villagers" roles. Intense.

[Autumn]

Having the two teams was interesting, Pass. I think it helped the village some, as there were people I suspected of having a role, but weren't sure if they were villagers or wolves. I didn't mind voting htem, as we'd at least gain trust from voting a wolf, but I didn't want to nightkill a wolf (I wasn't aware that such a kill wouldn't work).

But the village not knowing about the two teams was in our favor, so I think it balanced out.

Personally my only complaint is that i don't think it works to have games where everyone has a role, not if some of the roles are definitely bad. I was a wolf in the 24 game, I think the last game that did that. I had a scheme here to at least buy us some kills with fake reveals, but I think it makes it too easy for the village.

[Passacaglia]

Also, I was worried about the mass reveal, and if that happened, the wolves would have got two kills to balance it out. The mass reveal did happen at the end, and I felt bad about the poor balancing aspect of allowing that, but the villagers also made some insanely good plays, too.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It would have been random, but randomness was never needed. Night 1, Danny was protected by Luca, so the other team got the kill. Nights 2 and 3, EagleFan kept getting attacked by the other wolf team, and I was not going to allow wolves to kill each other, so the other team got the kill. Once there were 4 or less wolves, they were going to be combined, and I think that happened by Night 4?

LOL! That means every night I did something right. I feel vindicated for the last few times I did this. That does it, I'm using the hunter role every time I get it! Screw odds.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Having the two teams was interesting, Pass. I think it helped the village some, as there were people I suspected of having a role, but weren't sure if they were villagers or wolves. I didn't mind voting htem, as we'd at least gain trust from voting a wolf, but I didn't want to nightkill a wolf (I wasn't aware that such a kill wouldn't work).

But the village not knowing about the two teams was in our favor, so I think it balanced out.

Personally my only complaint is that i don't think it works to have games where everyone has a role, not if some of the roles are definitely bad. I was a wolf in the 24 game, I think the last game that did that. I had a scheme here to at least buy us some kills with fake reveals, but I think it makes it too easy for the village.

I'm pretty sure I told both teams that wolves wouldn't be able to kill each other early on, but it did get a bit confusing to remember what stuff I told to which team

[CrimsonFox]

The other team attacked EF. That's hilarious! You know I actually did have an inkling that EF might be the Seer with his weird lingo.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

LOL! That means every night I did something right. I feel vindicated for the last few times I did this. That does it, I'm using the hunter role every time I get it! Screw odds.

Yeah, my unbiased opinion though is that was a bad move on Lathum .

Spin all you want, it was 100% complete luck with huge risk and pissed him off something fierce .

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It would have been random, but randomness was never needed. Night 1, Danny was protected by Luca, so the other team got the kill. Nights 2 and 3, EagleFan kept getting attacked by the other wolf team, and I was not going to allow wolves to kill each other, so the other team got the kill. Once there were 4 or less wolves, they were going to be combined, and I think that happened by Night 4?

Oh wow, I had no idea. That could have been an advantage.

We made some bad decisions along the way that really hindered us. Not having a good guess as to who was the seer or bodyguard led to some bad night kill choices. We had the horsehead at one point and could have gotten lucky there. My plan was to have Martin reveal as Connie before Connie revealed, and have myself reveal as Phillip, with the hope of getting the real Connie lynched, me lynched, and EF trusted. It could have gotten him to last a while I think, and if we'd gotten the seer, given us a pretty good run. You guys got right on him though before we could do that.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I really didn't think Luca would make a kill. First off, he doesn't get to protect anyone if he does it, and even if he does hit a wolf, there's a good chance he'll die from it?

[CrimsonFox]

Educated Guess we'll call it. I really wouldn't have done it if I had no reads whatsoever.

[CrimsonFox]

JAG, looks like our 4-kill villager day wouldn't have happened after all. All that would have happened is Autumn would have killed me and you guys wouldn't have known why or who.