WW CXXIV: When Worlds Collide - Game Over! - Page 36

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 06:30 PM

I still disagree with the premise that Jag not voting NTN was wolfish. More then likely a wolf would go the easy way and vote for NTN it makes no sense not to. Why make a vote that would look kind of bad after NTN's allegiance was discovered? Also Eagle told us how much health NTN had so diverging from him was not as bad of a play as you are making it sound.

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 06:34 PM

Then why use bauer's bomb on ntn the night before with no intention of killing him and then refuse to vote for him? I juat don't buy his excuse of a brutal wolf which we see he read wrong

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 06:48 PM

Using Bauer's bomb on NTN I will admit was a bit odd since he was so set on Jackal. That being said a combination of everything else that I have said makes me trust Jag more then Jackal. I just do not see a wolf not taking the easy way out in any voting situation. I don't see a wolf getting rid of himself just to get rid of a villager.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 06:48 PM

DV do you count as a villager in an end game scenario?

Danny · 07-20-2011, 06:58 PM

As of 1754

Keyser: Melisandre, Dwight, Mal, Jayne
Melisandre: Keyser, Super Grover, Oscar
Oscar: Athena

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

Using Bauer's bomb on NTN I will admit was a bit odd since he was so set on Jackal. That being said a combination of everything else that I have said makes me trust Jag more then Jackal. I just do not see a wolf not taking the easy way out in any voting situation. I don't see a wolf getting rid of himself just to get rid of a villager.

I understand that, I really do. I'm not trying to dissuade suspicion of Jackal but more stating my case for why I feel the way I do on JAG.

re: voting situation - i agree in general, however, we've already seen random (to us) decisions by the wolves as far as NKs go so I don't think it's impossible for a wolf to take the easy way out because you'd never expect them to.

ok now my head hurts, this is why I"m glad I don't have (or have won) a BG ability... I always overthink it "i'll outsmart them because they'll think they outsmarted me when I really see that coming because they don't think I'll think that" etc...

I don't agree with your conclusion but I understand your reasoning, the only part I didn't understand was "getting rid of himself just to get rid of a villager" part

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:00 PM

So you think because he -didnt- vote for a wolf that makes him more trusted? Dizzying logic. We've seen several times wolves being saved from lynches with powers. Leaving outlying votes just seems to be very anti-village at this stage.

Stupid NTN voting for me. At the time he was doing it because I was the other target, but you think because he left his vote there instead of moving it to someone like Autumn it was to buy me trust? I don't really know how to refute that.

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

DV do you count as a villager in an end game scenario?

I got a chuckle out of this. Not making fun but what do you expect him or anyone to answer?

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I got a chuckle out of this. Not making fun but what do you expect him or anyone to answer?

I can hope can't I

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:05 PM

All I ask of the people voting for me (well, aside from JAG) is that you make your own decision/opinion instead of voting for me because you want to trust his gut. If you think the information we have combined with the way we've played makes me the better candidate, there's not much I can do with that. But I don't like seeing posts like "well JAG is a good villager so I'm willing to go with him" when no one knows he's actually a villager. Would be a completely different story if he had been scanned or some such, but he hasn't been.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't agree with your conclusion but I understand your reasoning, the only part I didn't understand was "getting rid of himself just to get rid of a villager" part

If like I laid out that if Jackal turns up a villager then Jag is next on my chopping block. Why would he risk that just to get rid of Jackal.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

So you think because he -didnt- vote for a wolf that makes him more trusted? Dizzying logic. We've seen several times wolves being saved from lynches with powers. Leaving outlying votes just seems to be very anti-village at this stage.

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for an easy wolf then throw out a vote that would look bad?

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for an easy wolf then throw out a vote that would look bad?

So villagers should make bad votes because that makes them look less like wolves?

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

All I ask of the people voting for me (well, aside from JAG) is that you make your own decision/opinion instead of voting for me because you want to trust his gut. If you think the information we have combined with the way we've played makes me the better candidate, there's not much I can do with that. But I don't like seeing posts like "well JAG is a good villager so I'm willing to go with him" when no one knows he's actually a villager. Would be a completely different story if he had been scanned or some such, but he hasn't been.

I know this is somewhat directed at me and I definitely voted for you yesterday because of it. Today I have listed the reasons why I am voting for you.

JAG · 07-20-2011, 07:10 PM

Chubby, we've been over this, but I originally sent in my use of the bomb on Jackal, but I was worried he'd use his night power to send it against someone randomly, so I took the safer (to the village) route of using it on ntn.

I think where I really don't get where you're coming from on me is that you're making it out as if the conversation yesterday was all about me. Yesterday the talk was about me, Jackal, and Schmidty. Today the talk has been the same except subbing you in for Jackal. I have talked about you today because a lot of the more cleared players were discussing you, but most of my chatter has been trying to drum up support for a Jackal lynch.

I also think the idea that I would be more trustworthy if I attacked someone else the past few days instead of continuing on Jackal is weird. I'm trying to bring down the person I think is most wolf-like. This isn't like a regular game where the votes would otherwise be considered throwaway votes. I'm going after him continually because no one has made a convincing case for an alternative and by continuing to attack him, I'm keeping the pressure up instead of letting him heal up so I can attack someone I think is less likely to be a wolf.

Re the ntn vote, I was basically proven right in not attacking him as it would have been useless overkill. If he hadn't died, I would accept you'd have a leg to stand on with that argument.

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

If like I laid out that if Jackal turns up a villager then Jag is next on my chopping block. Why would he risk that just to get rid of Jackal.

I don't disagree with this at all as well as the inverse, as I've said, they are both in my last tier of being trusted as neither has done anything concrete to prove themselves.

JAG - "why I've done all these seemingly one-man
attacks on Jackal (they've all been aided by an additional person), and why I
didn't get as hurt as you might've expected after the attacks on me yesterday
(one of the people who attacked me actually attacked Jackal)" (post #1622)

how is another person aiding him without knowledge being given to the rest of us??? Since this was posted while I was at work I missed it in my trying to catch up mode when I got home but have been going thru today rereading...

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for an easy wolf then throw out a vote that would look bad?

Always vote a wolf when you have one in your grasp. I realize this game is different in that leading a vote doesn't necessarily kill a person, but I still like to play with fundamental werewolf theories. I could have voted for JAG because he'd been zoomed in on me but I voted for the person I thought most likely to be a wolf.

I know I didn't do that earlier when Tyrith was on the block, but he was wounded, and was NTN wounded? I feel like when he disappeared he didn't take damage, though I could be wrong.

All I know is JAG is using DT and Schmidty's allegiance against me because they were villagers, and yet he took down TMIMITW and DT who were both villagers, and is now taking another down, though of course I can't prove that because no one was nice enough to scan me. Grr.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

So villagers should make bad votes because that makes them look less like wolves?

It is not necessarily a bad vote. If you end up being a wolf then it is not a bad vote. We can't keep dwelling on either Jag or you we have to make a decision(I wish we would have done so yesterday instead of today) because we have not had a case presented for any of the others in too many days.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

JAG - "why I've done all these seemingly one-man
attacks on Jackal (they've all been aided by an additional person), and why I
didn't get as hurt as you might've expected after the attacks on me yesterday
(one of the people who attacked me actually attacked Jackal)" (post #1622)

how is another person aiding him without knowledge being given to the rest of us??? Since this was posted while I was at work I missed it in my trying to catch up mode when I got home but have been going thru today rereading...

That's a good point, I forgot about this. That's another piece of info that JAG kept to himself. He's done that several times and is taking 0 flack for it.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

It is not necessarily a bad vote. If you end up being a wolf then it is not a bad vote. We can't keep dwelling on either Jag or you we have to make a decision(I wish we would have done so yesterday instead of today) because we have not had a case presented for any of the others in too many days.

Almost entirely because the only case floating around has been his on me. I was trying to avoid it because I felt he was a villager. He's been the one keeping the village involved in this, not me. When I turn up villager, he'll use everything you guys have been talking about in terms of him making moves that seem like maybe something a wolf wouldn't do because only dumb wolves would do it? to convince you not to take him down next.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Always vote a wolf when you have one in your grasp. I realize this game is different in that leading a vote doesn't necessarily kill a person, but I still like to play with fundamental werewolf theories. I could have voted for JAG because he'd been zoomed in on me but I voted for the person I thought most likely to be a wolf.

I know I didn't do that earlier when Tyrith was on the block, but he was wounded, and was NTN wounded? I feel like when he disappeared he didn't take damage, though I could be wrong.

All I know is JAG is using DT and Schmidty's allegiance against me because they were villagers, and yet he took down TMIMITW and DT who were both villagers, and is now taking another down, though of course I can't prove that because no one was nice enough to scan me. Grr.

We knew how much defense and health NTN had, thus Jag's vote was not a waste. Eagle only had 7 HP and he had 0 defense. Still I think 9 characters attacked him.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:16 PM

And that's if he's even a wolf. He's still not at the top of my list, but I don't have a choice at this point. Theres been no better case presented because the wolves have taken opportunities to plant seeds of trust for themselves. If I was a wolf I would have done the same thing.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

We knew how much defense and health NTN had, thus Jag's vote was not a waste. Eagle only had 7 HP and he had 0 defense. Still I think 9 characters attacked him.

I keep forgetting about the reveal of NTN's HP. I guess this is one of those situations were the outlying vote isn't as suspicious.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I keep forgetting about the reveal of NTN's HP. I guess this is one of those situations were the outlying vote isn't as suspicious.

But there's so many hidden abilities. Who's to say a wolf couldn't have cancelled out some attacks on NTN, or switched someone's attack like JAG did? Leaving things to chance isn't a great idea usually.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

That's a good point, I forgot about this. That's another piece of info that JAG kept to himself. He's done that several times and is taking 0 flack for it.

I am not upset about Jag not telling us about one of his powers, I have not told you mine, and I do not think Barkeep or Mau has either. He said he could move someone's attack and he said he has done so. It is something we can neither confirm nor deny.

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

We knew how much defense and health NTN had, thus Jag's vote was not a waste. Eagle only had 7 HP and he had 0 defense. Still I think 9 characters attacked him.

JAG voted 1st thing after Danny processed the day, it's not like he switched late when we knew there was enough on ntn. He was the 1st to vote overall (i was 2nd, voting ntn) and never moved.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

I am not upset about Jag not telling us about one of his powers, I have not told you mine, and I do not think Barkeep or Mau has either. He said he could move someone's attack and he said he has done so. It is something we can neither confirm nor deny.

Well, he revealed because BK analyzed him or whatever. And I guess I understand keeping this "unidentified person helping me" secret. Probably R'hllor or something. But it's still just info that he's not letting out, and it bugs me. I've told everything about me in the interest of full disclosure, and he never did.

In fact, I wasn't even asked to reveal, and if I hadn't he would have used that bomb ability on me.

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

I am not upset about Jag not telling us about one of his powers, I have not told you mine, and I do not think Barkeep or Mau has either. He said he could move someone's attack and he said he has done so. It is something we can neither confirm nor deny.

He also said he has had help from another character, how is that possible without us knowing and him not being a wolf and who is it?

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:20 PM

If you aren't a wolf Jackal make the case why the remaining players are wolves.

JAG · 07-20-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

I am not upset about Jag not telling us about one of his powers, I have not told you mine, and I do not think Barkeep or Mau has either. He said he could move someone's attack and he said he has done so. It is something we can neither confirm nor deny.

Well, you can reasonably determine that something saved Autumn's muppet from Tyrith and I was the only one to take credit for that. There's a reasonably straightforward way to prove I can still do it, but I don't want to be accused of stalling for time unless multiple people insist.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

He also said he has had help from another character, how is that possible without us knowing and him not being a wolf and who is it?

I am pretty sure he is talking about he has moved other characters attacks thus he had help from other characters.

JAG · 07-20-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

He also said he has had help from another character, how is that possible without us knowing and him not being a wolf and who is it?

You missed where we discussed that I can 'predict' (aka make) a players attack for the following day each night.

Zinto · 07-20-2011, 07:30 PM

I am hoping that Barkeep will decide on Jackal or Jag and who ever needs to switch will do so since we need all the villagers to attack one person.

The Jackal · 07-20-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

If you aren't a wolf Jackal make the case why the remaining players are wolves.

DV - Most likely neutral. Could have an ability where he resists up to a certain # of attacks .. how many did he get on him, 5 or so? If he is a wolf it was a hell of a play, but probably not a good place to go. However if he continues to stay alive his story about only being able to last so long starts to look more and more suspect, because games don't often last much longer than this.

Zinto/Mau/Chubby - Pretty much all in the same group. I think there's a wolf amongst you. I really don't know who I think the wolf is. From everything I've seen I'd probably vote for mau out of the three of you.

BK - Doubtful. Like we've been saying if he's a wolf we'd go after Zinto first, and if you guys are both wolves you've pretty much won, and I'd tip my cap to you for a successful strategy.

JAG - I really don't have any solid info on him other than his voting record doesn't do him any favors (that changes if you think I'm a wolf, but you asked me to write this so..), he's usually more analytical and rarely tunnel visioned like he is, and has been reluctant to reveal info about himself. As I've been saying I've just had to come to terms with the idea that he must be a wolf instead of a misguided villager, but thinking like that might end up costing us.

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:41 PM

Wussup guys

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:41 PM

How's the weather?

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:41 PM

Hot as hell over here

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:42 PM

I do count as a villager for winning purposes and I'm not really feeling Killing Zinto

Danny · 07-20-2011, 07:42 PM

Well that is one way to up my game's post count!

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:42 PM

Seems like a wasted day and a free nightkill for the wolves

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:43 PM

My AP is random, it ranges from 1 to 5

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:43 PM

I'm good with either JAG or jackal being the kill choices

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:44 PM

I'm 50/50 on both really

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:44 PM

Did I mention the weather?

Danny · 07-20-2011, 07:44 PM

I bet it's as hot here as it is over there!

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:45 PM

Danny's Birthday is tomorrow by the way

Danny · 07-20-2011, 07:45 PM

On a side note, sort of related as Dick is a character for today, but I have 10 episodes left out of 139 in watching the complete 3rd rock from the sun on netflix.

Darth Vilus · 07-20-2011, 07:45 PM

You think he would be better off with a pack of depends or a box of those little blue pills? he's gettig on in years you know

Danny · 07-20-2011, 07:46 PM

If you get me the blue pills, I think I will definitely need the depends

Chubby · 07-20-2011, 07:51 PM

The wife is watching Teen Mom or something and I just can't take it, I much prefer WW to that!

07-20-2011, 07:41 PM	#1785
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Wussup guys __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:41 PM	#1786
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	How's the weather? __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:41 PM	#1787
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Hot as hell over here __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:42 PM	#1788
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	I do count as a villager for winning purposes and I'm not really feeling Killing Zinto __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:42 PM	#1790
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Seems like a wasted day and a free nightkill for the wolves __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 06:30 PM	#1751
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I still disagree with the premise that Jag not voting NTN was wolfish. More then likely a wolf would go the easy way and vote for NTN it makes no sense not to. Why make a vote that would look kind of bad after NTN's allegiance was discovered? Also Eagle told us how much health NTN had so diverging from him was not as bad of a play as you are making it sound.

07-20-2011, 06:34 PM	#1752
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Then why use bauer's bomb on ntn the night before with no intention of killing him and then refuse to vote for him? I juat don't buy his excuse of a brutal wolf which we see he read wrong

07-20-2011, 06:48 PM	#1753
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Using Bauer's bomb on NTN I will admit was a bit odd since he was so set on Jackal. That being said a combination of everything else that I have said makes me trust Jag more then Jackal. I just do not see a wolf not taking the easy way out in any voting situation. I don't see a wolf getting rid of himself just to get rid of a villager.

07-20-2011, 06:48 PM	#1754
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	DV do you count as a villager in an end game scenario?

07-20-2011, 06:58 PM	#1755
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As of 1754 Keyser: Melisandre, Dwight, Mal, Jayne Melisandre: Keyser, Super Grover, Oscar Oscar: Athena

07-20-2011, 07:00 PM	#1757
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	So you think because he -didnt- vote for a wolf that makes him more trusted? Dizzying logic. We've seen several times wolves being saved from lynches with powers. Leaving outlying votes just seems to be very anti-village at this stage. Stupid NTN voting for me. At the time he was doing it because I was the other target, but you think because he left his vote there instead of moving it to someone like Autumn it was to buy me trust? I don't really know how to refute that.

07-20-2011, 07:05 PM	#1760
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	All I ask of the people voting for me (well, aside from JAG) is that you make your own decision/opinion instead of voting for me because you want to trust his gut. If you think the information we have combined with the way we've played makes me the better candidate, there's not much I can do with that. But I don't like seeing posts like "well JAG is a good villager so I'm willing to go with him" when no one knows he's actually a villager. Would be a completely different story if he had been scanned or some such, but he hasn't been.

07-20-2011, 07:10 PM	#1765
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Chubby, we've been over this, but I originally sent in my use of the bomb on Jackal, but I was worried he'd use his night power to send it against someone randomly, so I took the safer (to the village) route of using it on ntn. I think where I really don't get where you're coming from on me is that you're making it out as if the conversation yesterday was all about me. Yesterday the talk was about me, Jackal, and Schmidty. Today the talk has been the same except subbing you in for Jackal. I have talked about you today because a lot of the more cleared players were discussing you, but most of my chatter has been trying to drum up support for a Jackal lynch. I also think the idea that I would be more trustworthy if I attacked someone else the past few days instead of continuing on Jackal is weird. I'm trying to bring down the person I think is most wolf-like. This isn't like a regular game where the votes would otherwise be considered throwaway votes. I'm going after him continually because no one has made a convincing case for an alternative and by continuing to attack him, I'm keeping the pressure up instead of letting him heal up so I can attack someone I think is less likely to be a wolf. Re the ntn vote, I was basically proven right in not attacking him as it would have been useless overkill. If he hadn't died, I would accept you'd have a leg to stand on with that argument.

07-20-2011, 07:16 PM	#1772
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	And that's if he's even a wolf. He's still not at the top of my list, but I don't have a choice at this point. Theres been no better case presented because the wolves have taken opportunities to plant seeds of trust for themselves. If I was a wolf I would have done the same thing.

07-20-2011, 07:20 PM	#1779
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	If you aren't a wolf Jackal make the case why the remaining players are wolves.

07-20-2011, 07:30 PM	#1783
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I am hoping that Barkeep will decide on Jackal or Jag and who ever needs to switch will do so since we need all the villagers to attack one person.

07-20-2011, 07:42 PM	#1789
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Well that is one way to up my game's post count!

07-20-2011, 07:43 PM	#1791
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	My AP is random, it ranges from 1 to 5 __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:43 PM	#1792
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	I'm good with either JAG or jackal being the kill choices __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:44 PM	#1793
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	I'm 50/50 on both really __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:44 PM	#1794
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Did I mention the weather? __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:44 PM	#1795
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I bet it's as hot here as it is over there!

07-20-2011, 07:45 PM	#1796
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Danny's Birthday is tomorrow by the way __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:45 PM	#1797
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	On a side note, sort of related as Dick is a character for today, but I have 10 episodes left out of 139 in watching the complete 3rd rock from the sun on netflix.

07-20-2011, 07:45 PM	#1798
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	You think he would be better off with a pack of depends or a box of those little blue pills? he's gettig on in years you know __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

07-20-2011, 07:46 PM	#1799
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	If you get me the blue pills, I think I will definitely need the depends

07-20-2011, 07:51 PM	#1800
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	The wife is watching Teen Mom or something and I just can't take it, I much prefer WW to that!

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