Wait...Is that EVH or George Carlin?!

[Ksyrup]

[rkmsuf]

South Beach Diet....yahhhhhh!

[HornedFrog Purple]

Give him a break, the guy recovered from tongue cancer.

[rkmsuf]

the other guy looks like he's either up to no good or a The Rock impersonator

[Easy Mac]

I thought the big guy looked like a cross between Vlade Divac and Jean Reno

[Ksyrup]

The other guy looks vaguely familiar, but I can't place him.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by HornedFrog Purple

Give him a break, the guy recovered from tongue cancer.

He still looks old beyond his years, cancer or not.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The other guy looks vaguely familiar, but I can't place him.

David Lee Roth's personal assistant?

[korme]

the other guy is more creepy

[Draft Dodger]

best guitarist of all time

and yeah, he looks way older than he should

[Franklinnoble]

I think that's Henry Rollins...

[Franklinnoble]

dola... but, hey, at least Sammy Hagar's back with the band...

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

He still looks old beyond his years, cancer or not.

Cancer can easily do that to you, or more accurately treating cancer (i.e. chemo and/or radiation) can do that to you.

[Chubby]

When did he get cancer? I never heard about that, that's a shame Even tho I think he was dumb for kicking David out of the band he is still an amazing guitar player.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by Chubby

When did he get cancer? I never heard about that, that's a shame Even tho I think he was dumb for kicking David out of the band he is still an amazing guitar player.

No, dumb was hiring Gary Cherone as the lead singer after kicking Sammy out of the band.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

No, dumb was hiring Gary Cherone as the lead singer after kicking Sammy out of the band.

Well that too. Shame about his cancer

[GrantDawg]

Man, I looked at this all day before I figured out you were talking about Eddie Van Halen. Unbelievable. Cancer may have had someyhing to do with it, but I think it is more divorcing Valerie Bertinelli.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Man, I looked at this all day before I figured out you were talking about Eddie Van Halen. Unbelievable. Cancer may have had someyhing to do with it, but I think it is more divorcing Valerie Bertinelli.

I had no idea he'd divorced her...

I wouldn't feel too bad for him. He's a fabulously wealthy rock star... no matter what he looks like, he'll have 20 year old hotties lining up to polish his knob...

[Draft Dodger]

Dave wasn't kicked out of Van Halen. at best, it was a mutual split.

and, to my knowledge, Eddie and Valerie are still married.

[GrantDawg]

Unless they got back together, they split two years ago.

Article...
Valerie Bertinelli and Eddie Van Halen's breakup

Tuning out

July 16, 2002 Posted: 5:06 PM EDT (2106 GMT)

Bertinelli (with Van Halen in L.A. last July) "gave the marriage her all," says her mother. "She loved Eddie very much."

(PEOPLE) -- For 20 tumultuous years Valerie Bertinelli and Eddie Van Halen's rock-steady bond inspired admiration -- and sometimes just plain amazement -- among their peers. "It's a miracle how that marriage has survived," a friend of the couple's told PEOPLE last fall. "It's all because of her tenacity. Eddie loves her. He listens to her. She's definitely the backbone in that relationship."

But now, after enduring Van Halen's battles with alcohol, his bandmates and even cancer, that bond has finally cracked. On July 2 the former teen-sitcom starlet and the rock-guitar god -- the ultimate good girl-bad boy coupling of the '80s -- revealed that they have been separated since last October. A source close to Van Halen says Bertinelli, 42, wanted to keep the split secret until after her husband announced he was cancer-free, which occurred in May. "We're friends," says Van Halen, 47. "We love each other. We're just separated. I can't tell you if it will lead to a divorce, because I don't know."

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Bertinelli has moved out of the couple's San Fernando Valley home with their only child, Wolfgang, 11. The star of TV's "Touched by an Angel" declined to comment, calling the situation "really, really personal." But her mother, Nancy, says the actress and her son are "doing great. Valerie said to me that this is something she tried very hard not to have happen, but it finally came to the breaking point." Why? "It's a combination of things that I'd prefer not to go into," says Nancy. "Right now it's just a separation, but I believe it will result in a divorce. I think Valerie is going on with her life."

The couple kept their split hidden even from friends. "I had no clue," says MacKenzie Phillips, 42, Bertinelli's costar on the 1975-84 sitcom "One Day at a Time" and still a pal. "She hasn't talked about it at all. My immediate sense is that the marriage became a brother-sister kind of thing instead of a husband-wife thing. But from my experience with them, they'll be close forever." Former record executive Ted Templeman, a Van Halen buddy, has higher hopes. "I would bet you anything they get back together," he says. "I know how much they both love Wolfie and each other. I think he's probably getting his life together like a lot of us are."

Causes of strain

Van Halen's inability to do that in the past has been a cause of strain. Over the years, Bertinelli has urged him into rehab again and again as he has struggled with alcoholism. "Sometimes he has bad bouts and sometimes he has it under control," says a source close to the guitar great. "Eddie's been this way for a million years." Van Halen's fight with mouth cancer put new pressure on the marriage. In 1999 doctors diagnosed a lump on the lifelong smoker's tongue as malignant. He quit smoking and had a portion of his tongue removed in 2000. But a few months later he started lighting up again, and the cancer returned. He was given only a 50 percent chance of survival.

Bertinelli was frightened -- and furious. "Valerie is the kind of person who doesn't have any tolerance for somebody who knows what they have to do in order to help themselves and they won't do it," her mother said last fall. "She throws up her hands and says, 'Well, you're on your own.' "It worked: Van Halen chucked the cigarettes again and, after undergoing treatment, declared he was free of cancer in May. "My health is okay," he says. "I feel great."

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There's no question the two remain close. They haven't yet filed for legal separation, and Van Halen, who remains in the family's recording-studio-equipped home, says he still sees her "every day." When she returns to Park City, Utah, in mid-July to begin filming her second full season of "Touched by an Angel," Van Halen, as he has in the past, will play Mr. Mom. Wolfie "doesn't want to go to school in Park City, so he will stay with his father," says Nancy. "Edward takes him to school and picks him up. Whenever Valerie gets a break, she comes back to L.A."

From the moment they met, friends say the pair seemed inseparable. After attending an August 1980 Van Halen concert in Shreveport, Louisiana, Bertinelli went backstage and met Eddie, whom one of his pals calls "ultimately a shy guy without a guitar in his hand." She was 20, a native of Wilmington, Delaware, and a big TV star. By then, Van Halen, born in the Netherlands and reared in Pasadena, California, was considered one of the best rock guitarists ever, and his band topped the charts. "The moment they laid eyes on each other, it was like, 'Aw, man, forget it,' " says Templeman. "There was a lot of pressure on him by the band not to marry her, but I think they were meant for each other."

Wed the next year

They wed the next year, but the band's wild lifestyle on tour led to rumors the romance was on the rocks. Strife within the band didn't help. In the early '80s Van Halen's flamboyant lead singer, David Lee Roth, forbade Bertinelli -- and other members' wives and girlfriends -- to come backstage. "Eddie and I used to hang out by ourselves in the tuning room," Bertinelli has said. "The mood was absolutely miserable." Things improved when Roth quit the band in 1985, replaced by Sammy Hagar (who would later also feud bitterly with Eddie). But the guitarist's drinking "put a lot of strain on the marriage," says a Van Halen pal. "It was just bourbon, bourbon, bourbon. He'd be out on the road on tour, then come back home, burnt out and tired with nothing to say, except, 'Hey, I need a drink.' "

Bertinelli took it "very hard," her mother recalled. "Eddie's father was an alcoholic and died from it. Knowing this, Valerie tried hard getting Eddie to rehabilitate himself. He spent quite a few occasions in rehab." She had another savvy tactic: When Van Halen was on tour, "Valerie would show up sometimes unannounced, and hell, that'll keep you straight," Hagar said last year. "Valerie is a pretty strong woman. She's not intimidated."

In 1986 their union took a hit when Bertinelli had a miscarriage. In 1991, after five years of trying to conceive, she gave birth to Wolfie, named for Van Halen's favorite composer, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Bertinelli cut back her workload to be a full-time mom, and Van Halen sobered up after stumbling in one morning and startling Wolfie. "When your young boy looks at you and says, 'What's wrong, Dad?' it's time to change," he told PEOPLE in 1997.

At Wolfie's school talent show last year, Bertinelli watched misty-eyed as the preteen played drums on Kenny Loggins' "I'm Alright" with his dad at his side on guitar. "Eddie is hardworking at his family life," said Hagar. "Wolfie's gonna be a great little guy." As for his parents, "they've been through a lot," says a friend of the rocker's. "They just ran out of steam for each other."

Samantha Miller, Champ Clark, Johnny Dodd and Cynthia Wang contributed to this report.

[GrantDawg]

And one from six months ago...

Thankful Valerie Bertinelli vested in walking
By John Morgan, Spotlight Health, with medical adviser Stephen A. Shoop, M.D.
Valerie Bertinelli is hitting her stride again. After beginning a new life apart from Eddie Van Halen, she just has finished a television movie and has a new fitness workout she absolutely loves.

		Bertinelli on walking with a weighted vest: "The weight-bearing walking is great because I know it helps with keeping bones healthy."

"I took up walking," says Bertinelli, who is best known for her starring role on One Day at a Time. "That probably doesn't sound extremely intense — and it is definitely different than spinning, which I like to do once a week – but I walk a lot with weight."

By combining weight-bearing exercise and walking, Bertinelli is enjoying aerobic heart benefits, weight loss and increased bone health.

"I've already lost 6 pounds since I started recently," states Bertinelli, who will star in the CBS television movie Finding John Christmas this Sunday night. "But truthfully, as I get older I am less concerned with how I look as how I feel."

Many Americans will be feeling too full after overstuffing themselves with Thanksgiving dinner. Many health experts recommend people go for a walk after eating to aid in digestion. According to a Prevention magazine study, as many as 65 million Americans are regular walkers. But with skyrocketing obesity rates, more Americans clearly need to discover the benefits of frequent walking.

Bertinelli discovered walking through her fitness trainer, Debbie Rocker, one of the original developers of spinning. Rocker's celebrity client list has included Michael Chiklis, Kristen Davis, David Duchovny, Carrie Otis, Lisa Rinna, Courtney Thorne Smith and Rod Stewart.

"She is an amazing motivator, and I turn to her whenever I need fitness inspiration," Bertinelli says. "Everything she's ever done with me has worked, so when she told me about walking with weight, I just did it."

Weight gains

Bertinelli is, of course, not striding the hills of Los Angeles carrying dumbbells. Nor does she wear ankle or hand weights. She wears a new fitness product that Rocker created called the Walkvest, which is designed to be worn after placing the desired number of half-pound metal weights into the midsection of the vest.

"This distribution of weight preserves the natural stride of the body," explains Rocker. "But the weight should not be too heavy for an individual or it will prevent them from obtaining the aerobic benefit of walking. There's a balance we strive for."

"Walking is a sparring exercise to the joints and what would maximize the benefits of walking is including a little bit of extra weight," says Robert Klapper, clinical chief of orthopedic surgery at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. "But ankle weights and hand-held weights are not a good way to distribute the weight. While a person with advanced arthritis in the lower back should probably not be adding extra weight, the vest concept is advantageous for many patients."

Klapper say there are additional benefits to walking aside from losing weight and strengthening the heart. Walking with weight is good for your bones.

"Even though I am a surgeon, I am a big believer in trying to treat arthritis without surgery," Klapper says. "What has become very clear is that while the pool exercises are very effective in strengthening the muscle, protecting the joint, making people feel better and avoiding using medications, the downside is the bones aren't being stressed enough."

And that can create another problem for seniors – osteoporosis. Klapper says even young people are at risk.

Bone biopsy studies at the University of North Carolina on female swimmers, tennis players and sorority members revealed that the sorority sisters had osteoporosis as did the swimmers, who were in incredible aerobic shape. The tennis players had the best bone density.

But many weight-bearing exercises can inflict damage in the form of arthritis. The dilemma is how to get weight-bearing benefits without arthritic wear.

"Exercise comes in two flavors – nurturing and abusive," Klapper states. "I only consider three nurturing – the pool, the bike and ski machines like Nordic track. Walking with weight would be the fourth. This is a holistic, low-impact solution that will also help keep calcium in the bones."

As a woman, Bertinelli likes the osteoporosis prevention advantages of her new fitness program.

"The weight-bearing walking is great because I know it helps with keeping bones healthy," Bertinelli says. "I'm not old, but I am 43 and bone health is one of things you start to think about."

Walk it off

Starting a fitness program will also be on the minds of many Americans this Thanksgiving as beltlines expand even more. But weight loss begins with exercise.

"Walking is a universal language when it comes to fitness," Rocker states. "The family can do it together. It's great for just about everyone, especially men and women over 55, but it's also great for people who are very fit but no longer want to beat up their bodies trying to maintain their fitness level."

Optimally, Rocker recommends walking four to six days a week. "Most people should be walking at least five days a week for 30 minutes," Rockers says. "If you average this, you're going to lose weight and be fit."

Walking with weight is also efficient.

"Rather than doing a 40-minute spin class and going into the gym to lift weights, this program combines both forms of exercise in one 45-minute workout," Rocker notes.

But the fitness expert is quick to point out that walking for exercise is not like going for a stroll in the park after a big turkey dinner.

"Proper walking is walking with purpose," stresses Rocker, who coaches vest-wearers through 20-, 30- and 45-minute walking workouts on CD. "You have to walk like you mean it as exercise. You have to behave like you are in training. The vest helps provide this mindset by indicating that when you wear it you're in training. And on the CDs I don't let you forget it either."

Also recommended is purchasing a heart rate monitor, which will help to provide a measure of the exercise level being achieved.

Bertinelli admits to wearing the vest just about everywhere she goes.

"You can walk around the house with the Walkvest and get some weight-bearing benefits for your bones," says Bertinelli, who recently started surfing lessons. "I wear about 5 pounds in the vest, and it helps burn extra calories. I'd love to walk on the beach after surfing but I'm too tired."

As for what she'll probably do after Thanksgiving dinner?

"What else? Go for a walk with my son," Bertinelli says

[cthomer5000]

She's still a babe.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm splitting hairs here...but seperated and divorced are 2 different things.

and, yes, she is still damn fine

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hmm ... methinks GrantDawg may know just a little too much about the former Mrs. Van Halen

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Hmm ... methinks GrantDawg may know just a little too much about the former Mrs. Van Halen

The restraining order keeps me from posting anymore than these news articles.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

OK, I know everyone was pretty harsh on the guy years ago and all, but...

I think he went a tad overboard.



Say hello to Cher Van Collins-Gibbons.

[JediKooter]

Did he go to Kenny Rodgers' plastic surgeon?

[Matthean]

It's a scraggly beard from maybe the fact that doesn't grow facial hair that well. Just shaving would help his look at lot.

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I'm splitting hairs here...but seperated and divorced are 2 different things.

She got married this year to Tom Vitale.

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I always thought it was a horrible photoshop job.

[Draft Dodger]

another part of my youth just died

[Suicane75]

I know how you feel. I can barely masturbate to Laura Brannigans Self Control video since she died.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I always thought it was a horrible photoshop job.

This.

[Ksyrup]

I don't think so. The other one - purposely far away - he looks very much the same in the face, although maybe some of the remaining lines in his forehead have been airbrushed away.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Matthean

She got married this year to Tom Vitale.

Might be the record for longest time between post and reply. Seven years and nearly 3 months.