Official College Football Thread - Week 10

[Ksyrup]

Let's get it started early!

[tarcone]

Iowa is going to get spanked by Michigan. This has been a terrible season.

[Matthean]

Iowa at least ran the ball last week and I don't think Michigan has that good of run defense yet, so I think it has a chance of being close. The key for Michigan offensively is the run blocking of the OL to help get the running game going outside of Robinson and if Robinson can throw even decently.

'Bama/LSU to me is a coin flip and I thank God it's a home game for 'Bama. Night game at LSU with The Mad Hatter on the side line with an added bye week to prepare? Oh, hell no. In the words of Keith Jackson, "This is not a good day to be a pedestrian."

[RomaGoth]

I didn't know that Throw Mama From the Train was a 'Bama fan.

[General Mike]

I'm done.

[booradley]

Yeah. Let's not forget the REAL story this weekend. Wake Forest hosts Notre Dame for the first time ever, and I have great seats! There, now you can all be happy. No, no - you're welcome!

[dawgfan]

Huskies will try to break a painful 7 game losing streak vs. the Oregon Zeroes Saturday Night. Stadium should be pretty loud - last game in Husky Stadium before it undergoes a major tear-down and rebuild (only the North upper deck will remain intact), and the school will be honoring the '91 National Championship team as well as celebrating Senior Night.

I know Washington as a program isn't recovered enough to be on even terms with the Zeroes, but we're getting closer and we have enough offense to play a shoot-out with them. We'll have to get a top-notch defensive performance just to slow them down and need to win the turnover battle, but this is the best chance I think we've had since the losing streak began.

[cartman]

I hope that the Texas Tech that played Iowa State shows up, rather than the one that played OU. I also hope that Texas can build on their epic defensive performance against Kansas. Yes, it was Kansas, but what the defense did was impressive, no matter the competition.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Gosh, hope this doesn't hurt the Dawgs too bad against mighty New Mexico State.

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With the suspensions, the #1, #3, and #4 RB's on the depth chart are out this week. #2 RB Richard Samuel, who ended up with most of the carries & had a nice game against Florida was injured (ankle) on the final play of that game, had surgery this morning and is out for a month.

from the article: That leaves redshirt sophomore Brandon Harton and senior Wes Van Dyk as tailbacks available. Both are former walk-ons. Harton has rushed for 33 yards on 11 carries, all against Coastal Carolina. Van Dyk had one carry for one yard also in that game. The leading rusher available is cornerback Brandon Boykin, who has rushed for 95 yards.

My favorite part though was this bit at the end
Athletic director Greg McGarity said “absolutely not,” this afternoon when asked by The Athens Banner-Herald if discipline was held over until after the Florida game.

“This had nothing to do with the Florida game or anything,” McGarity said. “It was all timing.”

Richt declined a request this afternon to comment.

Uh-huh. Sure thing. The only part of that I believe is that the suspensions were "all timing".

edit to add: Samuel, close followers may recall, was the starting RB in 2009 before being shoved aside (to LB) to make room for Caleb King & Washaun Ealey. Seems like a tough break for a kid who had the best moments of his career on a national stage & would have gotten a ton of carries again this week (maybe cementing the job) except for the injury.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Iowa at least ran the ball last week and I don't think Michigan has that good of run defense yet, so I think it has a chance of being close. The key for Michigan offensively is the run blocking of the OL to help get the running game going outside of Robinson and if Robinson can throw even decently.

Iowa lost to fucking Minnesota. Minnesota, who has lost to both New Mexico State and North Dakota State.

While I appreciate your attempt to not overplay your hand, if Michigan doesn't win by at least 2 touchdowns, it's kind of an embarrassment.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Iowa lost to fucking Minnesota. Minnesota, who has lost to both New Mexico State and North Dakota State.

While I appreciate your attempt to not overplay your hand, if Michigan doesn't win by at least 2 touchdowns, it's kind of an embarrassment.

I have to agree, especially since Michigan beat Minnesota 58-0....

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

And USC beat them 19-17...

I guess by college football logic, that means that Stanford sucks because they almost lost to USC....

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Iowa lost to fucking Minnesota. Minnesota, who has lost to both New Mexico State and North Dakota State.

While I appreciate your attempt to not overplay your hand, if Michigan doesn't win by at least 2 touchdowns, it's kind of an embarrassment.

You really can't compare based on those results. New Mexico State was the game Kill had a seizure. North Dakota State also happens to be 8-0 and Kill was still dealing with medical stuff. It's partly why I think Michigan steamrolled them. I look at this much more from a match up point of view. It's why I knew MSU was beating Michigan. Michigan can be run on. Robinson will forever be a QB that can throw for under 50% completion percentage, and oh by the way, he still has 11 INTs to go with his 11 passing TDs. Let's not forget the utter and complete lack of quality road wins by Big Ten teams.

[Tigercat]

I am nervous about LSU Bama; not for LSU as a program, not for the fans, and not even for the players. I am nervous because I have "a want" for Miles to win this one. I really think a win this Saturday will be the feather/cherry on top that makes the case that Miles is very much elite as a head coach. He is such a great and unique guy, that I don't think I've ever wanted a player or coach to succeed quite as much. I can't think of any sports figure who's competence has been ridiculed to such a degree and yet managed to stay 100% good natured in public. Personality wise "the hat" is one for the ages, and hopefully he gets the win Saturday to help prove he is that on the sidelines as well.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Matthean

You really can't compare based on those results.

At least there isn't a system in place that determines National Champions by this comparision. Oh wait....

[Ksyrup]

The game on right now is ridiculous. Who needs the NBA when these teams have put up 109 points and counting.

[tarcone]

Iowa has the worst pass defense in the B1G. Iowa has terrible STs. Iowa struggles passing the ball. Yeah, If Michigan doesnt beat us by at least 2 TDs, they are way overrated.

EDIT: I forgot to add that we cant stop a running QB.

[Ksyrup]

17 TDs. Wow.

[cartman]

That was a damn entertaining game. Not a lick of defense, but a lot of fun to watch.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Tigercat

I am nervous about LSU Bama; not for LSU as a program, not for the fans, and not even for the players. I am nervous because I have "a want" for Miles to win this one. I really think a win this Saturday will be the feather/cherry on top that makes the case that Miles is very much elite as a head coach. He is such a great and unique guy, that I don't think I've ever wanted a player or coach to succeed quite as much. I can't think of any sports figure who's competence has been ridiculed to such a degree and yet managed to stay 100% good natured in public. Personality wise "the hat" is one for the ages, and hopefully he gets the win Saturday to help prove he is that on the sidelines as well.

I don't know under what measure Miles isn't an elite coach. He's the coach that terrifies me the most when going up against him. I just looked, and the line is 'Bama at -5. Seems high to me as does the 42 o/u.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia Bulldogs suspend three running backs for one game - ESPN

ESPN now reporting (via a DawgNation "source") that the suspensions are for failing a drug test administered last week before the Florida game. But yeah, the timing of the suspensions is just coincidence I'm sure.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Georgia Bulldogs suspend three running backs for one game - ESPN

ESPN now reporting (via a DawgNation "source") that the suspensions are for failing a drug test administered last week before the Florida game. But yeah, the timing of the suspensions is just coincidence I'm sure.

They had to send them out to be double checked. Came back Monday.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Matthean

You really can't compare based on those results. New Mexico State was the game Kill had a seizure.

Yes, but they were already down 28-21 and he had the seizure with less than 20 seconds left and Minnesota was outside the 20 yard line needing a TD. It didn't really affect the result of the game.

Seizure or no, you lose to an FCS team and you are not very good at all.

[bronconick]

Heads-up records when favored by 10+ points since 2006

Wisconsin 31-0
Penn State 29-0
Indiana 6-0
Ohio State 42-2
Michigan 21-1
Nebraska 29-3
Northwestern 8-1 .
Michigan State 16-2
Purdue 14-2
Illinois 12-2
Iowa 19-9
Minnesota 2-2

[Tigercat]

Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Miles takes some crap, and it's probably deserved just not at the level dished out, for his game management. I'm not thinking of specifics here, just the general feeling that he's one of those mad scientist types who occasionally can't reign in that side of things when he needs to.

It only happened under Miles/Crowton. Miles, IMO of course, is the best motivator in the game. His Bowl/bye week record speaks for itself. His teams may not always be best prepared from an X and Os standpoint, but in his 6 1/2 years at LSU, I can never remember his teams coming out and being flat. Miles is also one of the top 5 recruiters in the game.

Miles is just not a good organizational mind in a pinch. He can motivate guys in a pinch, he can pull an awesome call out of the hat in a pinch, but if a coordinator like Gary Crowton isn't managing the troops in a timely and efficient manner, a guy like Miles isn't the type of head coach that can compensate for that. (Whereas a guy like Saban probably could.)

They key is Miles having coordinators that can be counted on to do all their field management on their own. If Miles can be left to motivate, recruit, and call big plays on his own, I wouldn't take any other college football coach above him.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

YSeizure or no, you lose to an FCS team and you are not very good at all.

New Mexico State is bad, but they are still an FBS program.

[Ksyrup]

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[Butter]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

New Mexico State is bad, but they are still an FBS program.

North Dakota State isn't.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

True, but the better FCS teams are actually ahead of lower FBS teams in the Sagarin ratings. It's so close these days that the Southern Conference (App. St., Georgia So., Wofford, etc.) is rated above the Sun Belt.

North Dakota St. is currently #50 in the Sagarin ratings, right above Rutgers and Cal. Minnesota is #114 and New Mexico St. is #130.

Obviously not a perfect system, but the divide between the middle to lower tier FBS teams and the top FCS teams is more # of scholarships than quality of team.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm

So, the argument continues that Minnesota is actually not a bad team then? Or is everyone just arguing to be arguing?

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

So, the argument continues that Minnesota is actually not a bad team then? Or is everyone just arguing to be arguing?

I think you answered your own question.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I have to agree, especially since Michigan beat Minnesota 58-0....

Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

It's just that Minnesota isn't THAT bad. They probably should have beaten NM St., but it's a team playing a new QB, adjusting to a new coach, having the coach health issues, etc. I'll be interested to see if Kill can get them back to the level Glen Mason had them at or better.

Yes, Minnesota IS that bad. See post #12 in this thread.

[bronconick]

Minnesota beating Iowa means they get the honor as the worst Big Ten team this year, and probably worst BCS team this year instead of going into the archives as one of the worst in X number of years.

[bronconick]

That's just Kiffiekins having one of his derp games.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by bronconick

Minnesota beating Iowa means they get the honor as the worst Big Ten team this year, and probably worst BCS team this year instead of going into the archives as one of the worst in X number of years.

I'm thinking Indiana is worse than Minnesota.

[Ksyrup]

OK, so I'm not going to bitch about how crappy tonight's Thursday night game is.

[Ksyrup]

One of the things I hate about Jimbo Fisher's playcalling is how he refuses to go for the kill shot. They haven't taken a shot down the field once. They get an INT at the 12 and he runs 4 times, twice with the FB and a QB sneak. I just don't get it. I know you don't need the points as good as the D is playing, but the offense can break an opponent's will, too. Fucking take them out - get a TO and throw the damn ball into the end zone and make them want to quit. Jesus.

[bronconick]

The amount of love Jesse Palmer was giving FSU all night was...odd from a Gator.

[Izulde]

I'm fully expecting UNLV to get stomped by Boise at our homecoming. And I'm sure our fans will be drunk, stupid, and rude, so I'll just watch it at my usual bar instead.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by bronconick

The amount of love Jesse Palmer was giving FSU all night was...odd from a Gator.

Well, he was on The Batchelor. Plus, he was probably one of the dozens of ESPN "experts" they made pump us up early in the year, so he's probably trying to save face. And to give him SOME credit, maybe he's being overly complimentary to build the argument that he's neutral. He's no Danny Kanell, that's for sure. Dude KILLS Tebow on twitter. I'd love to see him call a Gator game.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Well, he was on The Batchelor. Plus, he was probably one of the dozens of ESPN "experts" they made pump us up early in the year, so he's probably trying to save face. And to give him SOME credit, maybe he's being overly complimentary to build the argument that he's neutral. He's no Danny Kanell, that's for sure. Dude KILLS Tebow on twitter. I'd love to see him call a Bronco game.

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[knolysis]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

One of the things I hate about Jimbo Fisher's playcalling is how he refuses to go for the kill shot. They haven't taken a shot down the field once. They get an INT at the 12 and he runs 4 times, twice with the FB and a QB sneak. I just don't get it. I know you don't need the points as good as the D is playing, but the offense can break an opponent's will, too. Fucking take them out - get a TO and throw the damn ball into the end zone and make them want to quit. Jesus.

I know where you are coming from. I think Jimbo is still trying to figure out what the offense can do on the ground and thus forcing the issue. I'm a big Jimbo supporter but it does appear that he can't handle both Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator responsibilities (which isn't uncommon). He needs to find Coley a new position and hire an OC that fits his philosophy and give the guy the reins. We were awesome on offense with Jimbo as OC but merely mediocre with Jimbo as HC.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like the foot of snow in the mountains this week hurt the Colorado crowd.

Weed + Snow > Colorado + USC