Your all-time team for your favorite team

[AgustusM]

San Francisco 49ers (again favorites, not best and that I saw in person)

QB - Steve Young - Montana was best, but I identified more with Young
RB - Garrison Hearst
FB - Tom Rathman - my all time favorite
WR - Jerry Rice
WR - Dwight Clark
TE - Vernon Davis
LT - Derrick Deese
LG - Guy McIntire
C - Jesse Sapolu
RG - every guy who has ever played there not named Chilo Rachal
RT - Harris Barton

DL - Fred Dean
DL - Bryant Young
DL - Justin Smith
DL - Dana Stubblefield

LB - Patrick Willis
LB - Charles Haley
LB - Aldon Smith

CB - Eric Wright
CB - Merton Hanks
FS - Ronnie Lott
SS - Tim McDonald

K-P - None (I dislike all kickers)

[AgustusM]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Interesting to see The Beard getting left off there.

I did put the beard on there - the ORIGINAL fear the beard was Romo and not the lunatic Wilson (although I do find him entertaining)

[AgustusM]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Oh...least favorite. That's a good one.

Least favorite 49ers:

QB - Ken Dorsey
HB - Lawrence Phillips
FB - Adam Walker
WR - Reshaun Woods
WR - Ashley Lellie
TE - Wesley Walls
LT - Kwame Harris
LG - Jonas Jennings
C - Brock Gutierrez
RG - Scott Gragg
RT - Kyle Kosier

RDE - Israel Ifeyani
RDT - Dennis Brown
LDT - Ted Washington
LDE - John Engleberger
LOLB - Jamie Winborn
MLB - Kevin Mitchell
ROLB - Todd Kelly
CB - Antonio Langham
FS - Mark Roman
SS - Keith Lewis
CB - Ahmed Plummer

I agree with 99% of this - but Jamie Winborn!?!?!? I'm outraged. I liked Winborn. Oh wait that wasn't him - I was thinking the other 55 Lee Woodall. Your right Winborn sucked.

[AgustusM]

Golden State Warriors - curse you people for killing my afternoon productivity

Again my favorites, not best, that I have seen in person

PG - Tim Hardaway
SG - World B Free
SF - Chris Mullin
PF - Larry Smith
C - Andrew Bogut _ yes the Warriors center position has been so bad in my 40+ years of fandom I am going with the guy that played 20 hobbled minutes a game for 7 games. Still better than anyone I saw play there.

Bench
Benard King
Jason Richardson
Baron Davis
Manute Bol
Mitch Richmond

[Subby]

You gotta take 1 year of CWebb over Bogut!!!!!

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Why didn't you like Fiedler. All he ever did was win in Miami!!

Fiedler is a terrific example of the flaw in evaluating a QB based on wins and losses. Those Dolphins teams were loaded on defense and had terrific running games. According to Football Outsiders, he finished 20th, 8th, 19th, 20th, and 40th in his 5 Miami seasons. Also, he was probably one of the worst QB's in postseason history (1 TD, 8 INT in three playoff games with Miami). It always angered and frustrated me that Wannstedt was so fond of him.

[Sun Tzu]

Originally Posted by AgustusM

I agree with 99% of this - but Jamie Winborn!?!?!? I'm outraged. I liked Winborn. Oh wait that wasn't him - I was thinking the other 55 Lee Woodall. Your right Winborn sucked.

Haha. Actually Kevin Mitchell was the "other" 55. Woodall was the Evander Holyfield look-a-like, and he wore 54.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by NoSkillz

Pretty good list - it's amazing how many of the spots are filled by players from the two World Series teams, especially when you consider that the team has been around for 35 years.

The only changes I'd make are to insert Dave Stieb in for Hentgen (I always loved watching Guzman pitch) and George Bell in at LF, with Carter moving over to RF in place of Bautista.

You could also make arguments for including Molitor in at DH but not at the expense of Olerud or Delgado, who played for many more years with the team.

Yeah I became a Jays fan after the Steib & Bell era or else, they'd be on my list too.

[ISiddiqui]

All Time NY Mets

SP - Tom Seaver
SP - Dwight Gooden
SP - David Cone
SP - Sid Fernandez
SP - Jerry Koosman
CL - John Franco

C - Mike Piazza (Carter was great, but had like 2 good years for NY... though one being that World Series)
1B - Keith Hernandez
2B - Edgardo Alfonzo
3B - David Wright
SS - Jose Reyes
LF - Kevin McReynolds
CF - Carlos Beltran (kinda wanted to say Mookie Wilson here )
RF - Daryl Strawberry

[Abe Sargent]

Most of my team is reallllllllly easy


JAGUARS, RAR!!!


QB Mark Brunell
RB Maurice Jones-Drew (only argument on the offense, really)
TE Marcades Lewis
WR Keenan McCardell
WR Jimmy Smith
OT Tony Boselli
OT Leon Searcy
C Brad Meester
OG Chris Naeole
OG Vince Manowai (feel free to insert your own OG opinions)

K Mike Hollis
P Bryan ANGER (Already a hoss, he won us the game on Sunday)

DE Tony Brackens
DE Gary Walker (Could argue Wynn, Kamptmann or Spicer here I suppose)
DT Marcus Stroud
DT John Henderson
LB Darryl Smith
LB Kevin Hardy
LB Paul Posluszny
CB Rashean Mathis
CB Aaron Beasley (Bryant is an option)
S Donovin Darius
S Carnell Lake (Could also argue lots of others, Grant or Logan, but no one was as good as Lake.)

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by AgustusM

San Francisco 49ers (again favorites, not best and that I saw in person)

QB - Steve Young - Montana was best, but I identified more with Young
RB - Garrison Hearst
FB - Tom Rathman - my all time favorite
WR - Jerry Rice
WR - Dwight Clark
TE - Vernon Davis
LT - Derrick Deese
LG - Guy McIntire
C - Jesse Sapolu
RG - every guy who has ever played there not named Chilo Rachal
RT - Harris Barton

DL - Fred Dean
DL - Bryant Young
DL - Justin Smith
DL - Dana Stubblefield

LB - Patrick Willis
LB - Charles Haley
LB - Aldon Smith

CB - Eric Wright
CB - Merton Hanks
FS - Ronnie Lott
SS - Tim McDonald

K-P - None (I dislike all kickers)

Awesome idea! If I did that for the Jags, it'd be like 15 million WRs though. RJ Soward, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Jerry Porter, Jermaine Lewis, etc. It's been roto-receiver with every Kevin Johnson or Troy Edwards being brought on down for a year to play for our team and see what they have.


EDIT: I haven't felt this good about Jags guys with Shorts and Blackmon than I have since Mike Sims-Walker broke out..

[Abe Sargent]

Man, going back and looking at all of these old rosters just shoots me with nostalgia for the team. Names like Marlon McCree, Akin Ayodele and Ernest Wilford just are full of rich meaning.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

/tries to figure out what Comey has against Reggie White (and/or Mike Quick)

Haha...Reggie really spent only 2-3 years with the Eagles when I began to follow football. And Mike Quick may have had one season. I loved watching Hugh Douglas (I was also devastated when he left), and got to see more of him. So he got the nod.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I'll do SF Giants I've seen, though I've been beaten to the punch:

SP Tim Lincecum
SP Matt Cain
SP Jason Schmidt
SP Madison Bumgarner
SP Kirk Reuter

RP Sergio Romo
RP Scott Garrelts
RP Rod Beck
RP Brian Wilson
RP Jeremy Affeldt
RP Rob Nen

C Buster Posey
1B Will Clark
2B Robby Thompson
SS Omar Vizquel
3B Matt Williams
LF Barry Bonds
CF Brett Butler
RF Candy Maldonado

BEN Kirt Manwaring
BEN Brandon Belt
BEN Jeff Kent
BEN Kevin Mitchell
BEN Pablo Sandoval
BEN Rich Aurilia

[cuervo72]

/looks up Jerome's last year vs Reggie's

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by DougW

I expected to see more obscure people on this thread. Most posts read like an all time list rather than an all time fav's.

If that's the case, then you have to add Joe Zelenka as the long snapper for years and years. He was one of the most popular players on the team during his tenure. People loved him. I'd not be shocked if he doens;t pull a Boselli or Jeff Lageman and join the community with media or coaching with the Jags in a few years.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

All Time NY Mets

SP - Tom Seaver
SP - Dwight Gooden
SP - David Cone
SP - Sid Fernandez
SP - Jerry Koosman
CL - John Franco

C - Mike Piazza (Carter was great, but had like 2 good years for NY... though one being that World Series)
1B - Keith Hernandez
2B - Edgardo Alfonzo
3B - David Wright
SS - Jose Reyes
LF - Kevin McReynolds
CF - Carlos Beltran (kinda wanted to say Mookie Wilson here )
RF - Daryl Strawberry

Pretty close to what I have. I think I would probably put Leiter instead of Sid. John Franco was probably the right answer for Mets closer in terms of longevity, but he just drove me nuts. I never saw him play but I think I'd go with Tug McGraw over him for what he meant to the franchise.

As far as the lineup goes, I think you have it right, but I just want to give a passing mention to 3 personal favorites of mine.

John Olerud - Mets haven't had a 1B as good since he left
Todd Hundley - A bright spot in some dark years
HoJo - My favorite player as a kid.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

/looks up Jerome's last year vs Reggie's

Pssh. Wasn't a question about Jerome vs Reggie, or Reggie vs anyone else. That's all positional depth. And definitely not a question about who was better...Reggie was, obviously, a better player than Hugh. I just loved watching Hugh Douglas play, and got to see him during some of my best years of watching the Eagles.

[SackAttack]

Los Angeles Dodgers

Pitching

1. Sandy Koufax (never saw him play, but I read everything I could get my hands on involving Koufax when I was 9 years old. I'm including him on that basis)
2. Orel Hershiser
3. Clayton Kershaw
4. Hideo Nomo
5. Fernando Valenzuela

Setup: Hong-Chih Kuo
Closer: Eric Gagne

Lineup

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Eric Karros
2B: Steve Sax
3B: Adrian Beltre
LF: Kirk Gibson
CF: Matt Kemp
RF: Raul Mondesi

Bench

C - Russell Martin
IF - Alfredo Griffin
IF - Kevin Elster (Vince knows why)
OF - Steve Finley (same!)
OF - Brett Butler

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by General Mike

Pretty close to what I have. I think I would probably put Leiter instead of Sid. John Franco was probably the right answer for Mets closer in terms of longevity, but he just drove me nuts. I never saw him play but I think I'd go with Tug McGraw over him for what he meant to the franchise.

As far as the lineup goes, I think you have it right, but I just want to give a passing mention to 3 personal favorites of mine.

John Olerud - Mets haven't had a 1B as good since he left
Todd Hundley - A bright spot in some dark years
HoJo - My favorite player as a kid.

Crud, I totally forget about Leiter (which is strange since he's from my hometown). Yeah, I agree, Leiter over Sid.

Ah, John Olerud! I can't believe he only played 3 seasons for the Mets. He was unlucky that sabermetrics didn't take off until after he was in New York (well for the Mets). Would have been MUCH more appreciated. And Delgado DID have some good seasons before he got injured all the time.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by TRO

Royals

C Mike Macfarlane (Salvador Perez will be here soon)
1B George Brett
2B Frank White
SS Rey Sanchez
3B George Brett
LF Alex Gordon
CF Carlos Beltran
RF Jermaine Dye
DH George Brett

SP Kevin Appier (Original Royal Ape)
SP Bret Saberhagen
SP Mark Gubicza
SP Paul Splittorf
SP Zack Greinke

RP Dan Quisenberry
RP Joakim Soria

I think I could fill a most hated list for the Royals pretty quickly too.

Such a young pup ... here's an old-school fan's lineup:

C John Wathan
1B John Mayberry
2B Frank White
SS UL Washington
3B George Bret
LF Willie Wilson
CF Bo Jackson
RF Amos Otis
DH Hal McRae

Bench: Carlos Beltran, Danny Tartabull, Mike McFarlane, Freddie Patek, Billy Butler

SP Bret Saberhagen
SP Dennis Leonard
SP Paul Splittorff
SP Mark Gubicza
SP Larry Gura

Bullpen: Dan Quisenberry, Steve Farr, Jeff Montgomery, Joakim Soria, Tom Gordon

Wish I could find a spot for Jermaine Dye, but Tartabull gets the nod here. Surprisingly, Tartabull is the Royals all-time leader in slugging percentage. More surprising -- Raul Ibanez is second.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Los Angeles Dodgers

Pitching

1. Sandy Koufax (never saw him play, but I read everything I could get my hands on involving Koufax when I was 9 years old. I'm including him on that basis)
2. Orel Hershiser
3. Clayton Kershaw
4. Hideo Nomo
5. Fernando Valenzuela

Setup: Hong-Chih Kuo
Closer: Eric Gagne

Lineup

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Eric Karros
2B: Steve Sax
3B: Adrian Beltre
LF: Kirk Gibson
CF: Matt Kemp
RF: Raul Mondesi

Bench

C - Russell Martin
IF - Alfredo Griffin
IF - Kevin Elster (Vince knows why)
OF - Steve Finley (same!)
OF - Brett Butler

Not sure Beltre has enough range to play two positions.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I think I'm up for that challenge. I limited myself to 2000 and beyond. Why go back more than that if, unfortunately, you don't have to. The hardest part, of course, was SS. I cheated and put Betancourt at 2B. And Berroa got to DH.

Wow. Impressive job. What a waste of humanity we've paraded through this town. Shortstop was indeed an incredible challenge, and you even had to leave Tony Pena Jr. off.

Pitcher was pretty difficult too. You could have easily added Jeremy Affeldt, Dan Reichert and Kyle Snyder and Jason Grimsley. Grimsley had the trifecta of sucking, being outspoken during the collective bargaining process and getting nailed for PEDs.

Originally Posted by sterlingice

SP Chris George - How "magical" was 2003? He was 9-6 with a 7.11 ERA!

How "magical" was 2003? Darrell May went 10-8 with a 3.77 ERA. Rest of his Royals career? 13-29, 5.50.

How bad was Albie Lopez in 2003? During the Royals dazzling start, Lopez pitched 15 games in relief, managing to somehow go 4-2, while posting a 12.71 ERA. In case you think it was bad luck, his WHIP was 2.559 and he gave up 7 home runs in 22 innings.

[sterlingice]

I always had a soft spot for Affeldt from when we used to wait outside after games to get autographs. If you're out there, you can see patterns develop where there were what we called "sacrificial lambs" who were thrown out to the autograph crowd so another 5 or so guys could drive away. John Buck was really good. DDJ, Sweeney, and Randa all signed a decent amount. But Affelt, he was /always/ there- more than anyone I ever saw. My friend had his "lucky" hat that was signed by Affeldt but he wore it off from wearing it too much. He just had Jeremy sign it again some other night like a year later because he was always there and would took and seemed like a decent guy. He just had that damn blister problem.

I strongly considered Grimsley for two of the three reasons listed: honestly, I can't remember how he pitched. But I remember him being a total dick about collective bargaining as the player rep and then the steroids. He's gotta be the biggest omission.

SI

[sterlingice]

Also, I probably should have used Roberto Hernandez as Bottalico wasn't all that bad for the Royals while Hernandez was just a symbol of the mishandling of the early 2000s Royals

SI

[AgustusM]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Haha. Actually Kevin Mitchell was the "other" 55. Woodall was the Evander Holyfield look-a-like, and he wore 54.

DOH - you are right. getting old sucks - all of these very important facts keep getting squeezed out of my head.

[AgustusM]

Originally Posted by Subby

You gotta take 1 year of CWebb over Bogut!!!!!

yeah, but he was really more of a 4 than a 5. That and of course the whole sinking the franchise for 20 years by forcing his way out. (I dont really blame him as much as Nellie)

[Clark]

Packers 1980-present

WR James Lofton
T Chad Clifton
G Josh Sitton
C Larry McCarren
G Marco Rivera
T Mark Tauscher
TE Paul Coffman
WR Sterling Sharpe
QB Brett Favre
RB Ahman Green
FB William Henderson

DE Reggie White
DT Santana Dotson
DT Gilbert Brown
DE Aaron Kampman
OLB John Anderson
MLB Nick Barnett
OLB Clay Matthews
CB Charles Woodson
CB Tim Lewis
SS LeRoy Butler
FS Darren Sharper

K Jan Stenerud
P Craig Hentrich
RET Desmond Howard

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

And here I figured it'd be the Merchantmen...

I've seriously opted to go with the Merchantmen.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i still fantasize about kevin mitchell, lenny dykstra & strawberry in the mets OF

[Chief Rum]

Favorite Angels (only from the ones I have seen play and rooted for)

SP Chuck Finley
SP Jim Abbott
SP Joe Saunders
SP Mark Langston
SP Jarrod Washburn

MR Scot Shields
CL Troy Percival

C Lance Parrish
1B Rod Carew
2B Bobby Grich
3B Doug Decinces
SS Gary Disarcina
OF Darin Erstad
OF Torii Hunter
OF Tim Salmon
DH Chili Davis

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Subby

Not sure Beltre has enough range to play two positions.

Doh.

I was thinking Alfredo Griffin all along - you can see that on the bench - but I'm not sure why I missed it in the lineup.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Detroit Lions

QB - Bobby Layne
RB - Barry Sanders
FB - Cory Sclesinger
TE - Charlie Sanders
WR - Calvin Johnson
WR - Herman Moore
LT - Lou Creekmur
LG - Bob Kowalski
C - Kevin Glover
RG - Mike Utley
RT - Keith Dorney
K - Jason Hanson
P - Jim Arnold
DE - Bubba Baker
DT - Alex Karras
DT - Ndamukong Suh
DE - Kyle Vandenbosh
LB - Joe Schmidt
LB - Chris Spielman
LB - Mike Lucci
CB - Dick Lane
CB - Lem Barney
SS - Bennie Blades
FS - Dick Jauron

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Favorite Angels (only from the ones I have seen play and rooted for)

SP Chuck Finley
SP Jim Abbott
SP Joe Saunders
SP Mark Langston
SP Jarrod Washburn

MR Scot Shields
CL Troy Percival

C Lance Parrish
1B Rod Carew
2B Bobby Grich
3B Doug Decinces
SS Gary Disarcina
OF Darin Erstad
OF Torii Hunter
OF Tim Salmon
DH Chili Davis

I agree with most of this, but what about Bob BOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE? Also, I'd put in Edmonds or Brian Downing over Erstad, but other than that I love the list.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I just realized if I would have picked Dick LeBeau over Lem Barney I would have had a secondary full of Dicks!

I only picked Dorney over Lomas Brown because Creekmur played the same position as Brown & I don't know how he would have been on the right side. I could have made Creekmur a RT and the line would have been even better, but the best OL the team may have ever had gets to play his own position.

And yes, I did select 3 MLB's. Name a Lion's OLB that should bump one of these guys off the field.

[Karim]

Fun thread...

Calgary Flames

GM: Cliff Fletcher
Coach: Bob Johnson

LW Colin Patterson C Doug Gilmour RW Joe Mullen
LW Gary Roberts C Joe Nieuwendyk RW Hakan Loob
LW Theoren Fleury C Craig Conroy RW Jarome Iginla
LW Jim Peplinski C Joel Otto RW Tim Hunter

D Al MacInnis D Gary Suter
D Brad McCrimmon D Jamie Macoun
D Rob Ramage D Phil Housley

G Mike Vernon
G Miikka Kirprusoff

* Fleury's playing out of position
* 16/20 from the 1989 Stanley Cup winning team