2013 NFL Offseason/Coaches Fired/Draft discussions-

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Dick Vermeil said that Andy Reid contacted him to talk about the KC job. Vermeil told him to take the job.

Vermeil advises Reid to take the Chiefs job - KansasCity.com

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Detroit?

I said "truly."

Not "wishfully"

[Atocep]

Among those the Bears are interviewing: Mike Sullivan (OC Tampa Bay), Bruce Arians (OC Indy), and Mike McCoy (OC Denver).

No defensive-minded coaches have been confirmed for interviews that I know of.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

I would be ecstatic if Reid does indeed come to KC. He was my favorite choice all along. He's the next John Fox. In the NFL with salary cap and attrition, it's almost impossible to maintain a "dynasty" for a long time. If you don't believe it, get back with me two years after Tom Brady retires.

A fresh start and a QB is all he needs. He can draft his favorite college QB this year, go sign or trade for a guy and go crazy. He will bring an air of authority of a guy who has done it to KC we haven't had since maybe Vermeil and truly Schottenheimer.

I'm not expecting a Colts-like turnaround, but I think Reid can get this team to the playoffs in two years.

How long is a long time? Ravens, Patriots, Steelers, Colts have all been very good for a very long time

[Lathum]

Not really sure where to post this. Has to be a fake but pretty damn funny.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...sEnabled=false

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

How long is a long time? Ravens, Patriots, Steelers, Colts have all been very good for a very long time

You missed the COlts 1-15 2011?

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

You missed the COlts 1-15 2011?

In this fact-paced world we live in thats so like ancient history......Or so my daughter tells me.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Rex Ryan appears to have tattoo of wife in Sanchez jersey Tebowing - CBSSports.com

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Rex Ryan appears to have tattoo of wife in Sanchez jersey Tebowing - CBSSports.com

That's nothing. You should see what Madden's tattoo of Brett Favre is doing.....

[Logan]

Pioli officially out at KC. Iowa fans now need to hope he lands somewhere else with a HC opening.

[spleen1015]

I think Reid is a good move for KC if they're going to go with a retread. He needs to take advantage of what he has with Jamal Charles.

I'm wondering why there are so many retreads getting looks. Some of those guys are terrible, IMO.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I think Reid is a good move for KC if they're going to go with a retread. He needs to take advantage of what he has with Jamal Charles.

I'm wondering why there are so many retreads getting looks. Some of those guys are terrible, IMO.

Sometimes retreads work, and sometimes they don't. You also have to look at the history of that team. Will the Bills really go for a retread after missing on several retreads recently?

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Sometimes retreads work, and sometimes they don't. You also have to look at the history of that team. Will the Bills really go for a retread after missing on several retreads recently?

Right. I think Andy Reid is a good retread. His team has been bad the last few years, but he was in 4 NFC title games. Tony Dungy was a good retread.

Wisenhunt is not a good retread. Haley will not be a good retread.

[Chief Rum]

And who is looking at those two? Bills and Cards, respectively, I believe.

It just goes to show you that, you can replace coaches and GMs all you want, but if the permanent decision makers in an organization are poor, so will be their choices for these positions.

[Lathum]

ESPN Radio reporting Reid to KC is official

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

You missed the COlts 1-15 2011?

1 bad year out of a dozen...

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ESPN Radio reporting Reid to KC is official

Reid needs a good quarterback. Consider trade of first overall pick for . . . Romo? Who says no?

Stafford? Who says no?

Alex Smith and SF's first round pick? Who says no?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Reid needs a good quarterback. Consider trade of first overall pick for . . . Romo? Who says no?

Stafford? Who says no?

Alex Smith and SF's first round pick? Who says no?

None of those deals sound doable. Not from the other teams' perspectives, but from the Chiefs. No way the Chiefs trade the #1 overall for any of those guys, no matter what else is coming back with them.

Reid does need a good QB. That's not the way he should do it, though.

I would probably ship a 2nd rounder for Flynn.

[spleen1015]

He should trade for Kevin Kolb if he thinks he can fix him.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

None of those deals sound doable. Not from the other teams' perspectives, but from the Chiefs. No way the Chiefs trade the #1 overall for any of those guys, no matter what else is coming back with them.

Reid does need a good QB. That's not the way he should do it, though.

I would probably ship a 2nd rounder for Flynn.

They surely wouldn't pass up Stafford and the #5 overall for the #1 pick.

[spleen1015]

Paul Pabst ‏@PaulPabst

"We get along all right...me and Nick (Saban)..I don't know if he'll take that Cleveland job or not." Steve Spurrier...out of nowhere!

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Paul Pabst ‏@PaulPabst

"We get along all right...me and Nick (Saban)..I don't know if he'll take that Cleveland job or not." Steve Spurrier...out of nowhere!

Steve Spurrier . . . out of a Puckish desire to watch the most focused coach in college football have to answer/dodge/address a bunch of NFL-related questions during championship game preparations.

Does any high-level football coach seem to enjoy the game of football more than Spurrier?

[Abe Sargent]

Now hold on a moment, Chiefs, before you hire Reid, check his arms. Make sure he doesn have a tattoo of Vick or McNabbs jersey on his half naked wife.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

How long is a long time? Ravens, Patriots, Steelers, Colts have all been very good for a very long time

That's my point. Reid was in Philly for 14 years. The Colts, Patriots and Steelers have had good runs but only with Hall of Fame quarterbacks. The Ravens fired two coaches while Reid was in Philly.

Since 2007, Reid has more wins (52) than the state of Missouri (51, Chiefs 29 & Rams 22).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Logan

They surely wouldn't pass up Stafford and the #5 overall for the #1 pick.

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where that's even a possibility, so isn't it kind of a moot point?

And I don't even think all that much of Stafford as a QB, but still.

[bhlloy]

Yeah, if they could get Luck or RG3 maybe but why would they deal Stafford to either get a QB at #1 they could probably still get at #5 or go into the season with no QB?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where that's even a possibility, so isn't it kind of a moot point?

And I don't even think all that much of Stafford as a QB, but still.

I'm just refuting Chief's point of nothing getting done "no matter what else comes back to them".

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

the reid signing is perfect if they take geno smith @1. idk if that's the logic but in a year without a surefire #1 it makes sense

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Yeah... the idea of trading an established QB who is at least better than average to move up 4 spots to the top of this draft is simply ridiculous. If there was a guy worth it, KC wouldn't think of trading the pick. There is no Luck or RG3 here. There are some other positions that have potential to be great, but I don't see any trades at the top this year. The value isn't there.

[molson]

He could tank the year, get way under the cap, audition young players, and try to get that QB with a top pick next year. That's basically what happened in Philly. Though KC probably has more talent than Philly did.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Logan

They surely wouldn't pass up Stafford and the #5 overall for the #1 pick.

That's not what he said. He said Stafford alone for the #1 overall.

He only introduced the returning pick with Alex Smith.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Logan

I'm just refuting Chief's point of nothing getting done "no matter what else comes back to them".

Oh, got it.

Well, I still don't see anyone trading the #1 overall for a QB with a huge contract like that and very iffy results/efficiency, although it's more palatable if such a high pick goes along with him.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

That's my point. Reid was in Philly for 14 years. The Colts, Patriots and Steelers have had good runs but only with Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

Not sure I agree that Big Ben is a HOFer.

[Suicane75]

If they're even available, what do you think the asking price is for Flynn and Smith?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

the reid signing is perfect if they take geno smith @1. idk if that's the logic but in a year without a surefire #1 it makes sense

Geno Smith seems to have a ton of trouble reading zone coverage. I'm not sure if he's ready to be an NFL starter.

[bhlloy]

I wonder if anyone's stock has risen and fallen so dramatically and quickly as Geno's. He went from not talked about to Heisman and #1 pick lock to 50/50 NFL prospect in like a month.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

You know who would look good in Cleveland? Brett Bielema. I know he's not the type to jump ship for greener pastures though...

Todd "People-Person" Haley would look good in Arizona too. He just knows how to relate to players.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

If they're even available, what do you think the asking price is for Flynn and Smith?

Smith will certainly be available and will likely cost nothing in a few months if teams want to wait until he is released. I believe his roster bonus is somewhere in the $8M neighborhood and the Niners will not be giving their backup QB that kind of money.

I'm hoping that teams do make an offer so the Niners get something, but I doubt that will happen.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Not sure I agree that Big Ben is a HOFer.

He's still early in his career with multiple rings, so yeah, we need to see more. Dude's just 30.

[Logan]

I think Smith will end up fetching a decent pick for the Niners. He's not a great starter, but he's a guy you could plug in short term and feel comfortable. And if you think of it as $8 million for "Starting QB" and not $8 million for "Alex Smith", it's not unreasonable. I mean, Matt Hasselbeck has a $7.5MM cap number for 2013 if I'm looking at his contract right.

When you compare him against other FAs, he's a great option. And if you want him as a FA, you will be competing with around 10 teams who are looking for a QB, so on the open market, you may be laying out more than $8 million anyway. I'd view it as being better to acquire him with a mid round pick, pay him the money, and allow him the opportunity to play his way to a long term deal.

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Oh, got it.

Well, I still don't see anyone trading the #1 overall for a QB with a huge contract like that and very iffy results/efficiency, although it's more palatable if such a high pick goes along with him.

Don't worry, I didn't take it to be as serious as I made it sound in my response to Jon.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

He's still early in his career with multiple rings, so yeah, we need to see more. Dude's just 30.

Well, Trent Dilfer has a ring too. I'm not saying he's not very good. But if you go to pro football reference and look at Ben's comparables, they are a bunch of journeymen.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeha, but he has time and a good team. If the dude wins another ring, or has a few more AFC Championship runs, he gets a a bust

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Well, Trent Dilfer has a ring too. I'm not saying he's not very good. But if you go to pro football reference and look at Ben's comparables, they are a bunch of journeymen.

Sometimes there's more to a player than his stats.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Yeha, but he has time and a good team. If the dude wins another ring, or has a few more AFC Championship runs, he gets a a bust

Absolutely.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Sometimes there's more to a player than his stats.

rap sheet? being know to being a dick?

[Desnudo]

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[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Well, Trent Dilfer has a ring too. I'm not saying he's not very good. But if you go to pro football reference and look at Ben's comparables, they are a bunch of journeymen.

Based on a career-long comparison, yes. But year-by-year, his #1 comp has been Jim Kelly. (Grumble grumble; I'm not rooting for the guy.)

[TroyF]

Player a: 58.6%, 31,527 yards, 211 Td, 144 INT, 230 yards per game, 2 Super Bowl wins, 2 Pro Bowls

Player B: 63.1%, 29,844, 191 TD, 108 INT, 235 yards per game, 2 Super Bowl wins, 2 Pro Bowls

Player A is Eli Manning. B is Big Ben.

Provided Ben gets another 4 years worth of games in, he's going in with or without another Super Bowl. (with 64 games at his current averages, he ends up with close to 300 TD's and 45,000 passing yards to go with 2 Bowls. Even with the new wave of passing statistics, that's going to put him in the top 12 QB's of all time in yards and TD's.

And that's if I only give him 4 more years worth of games.

Barring a severe injury, he's going in the hall. And no, I'm not cheering for the guy either.

[Passacaglia]

What's the difference between career-long and year-by-year?

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Geno Smith seems to have a ton of trouble reading zone coverage. I'm not sure if he's ready to be an NFL starter.

yeah, i watched a few wvu games and i wasn't too impressed. that said he is the most gifted qb available this year and developing qb's is reid's forte.

plus for pioli it makes a ton of sense because drafting a qb buys you a couple years as he 'develops'