Who are you rooting for tonight?

[kingfc22]

Bullshit call!

[bob]

Another horrible call

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by bob

I admittedly don't watch much NCAA basketball until the tourney, but have not been impressed by the refs all tourney. I don't remember things being that bad say 10 years ago. Are players just that must faster now that its even tougher to call games or do refs just suck now?

It's a good ol' boy network that desperately needs to be overhauled. The best officials are not the ones on the floor right now.

Here's a great stat site for referees. Some of the refs in tonight's game clearly don't belong there.

College Basketball Referees - StatSheet.com

[bob]

I don't get burning a timeout there

[SackAttack]

Terrible call on that block. If that's a foul, Jon's a Democrat.

[Marmel]

Originally Posted by bob

Another horrible call

I am rooting for Michigan, but funny to watch them get some of their own reffing medicine from Saturday night.

[bob]

I actually think the refs have sucked both ways

[kingfc22]

Michigan in desperate need of a stop and a defensive rebound. Yikes.

[Crapshoot]

Holy hell, offensive rebounds eh?

[cmp]

They have. Terrible all around.

[bob]

These refs have no control of this game

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good God. Is Russ Smith point shaving? Several horrible decisions by him down the stretch.

[kingfc22]

Killer.

[bob]

Would others agree that while exciting, it has not been a well played game other than the 3 point barrage?

[kingfc22]

Horrible personnel mgmt there. Should have taken Burke out.

[Suicane75]

Every time I watch CB I'm amazed at how bad the level of play has become.

[cmp]

It doesn't help the level of play when officials let players push and shove the entire game.

[Matthean]

Michigan's youth is showing.

[kingfc22]

Well. They were the #1 seed for a reason

[Crapshoot]

Props to Louisville and any fans here. Well played. They don't quit when they're down again and again.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Hell of a game. Just like I thought, Louisville was too much. Hats off to them. Dammit.

Still, a GREAT season for Michigan. Going into this season if you said Michigan would be in the championship game ANY Wolverine fan would take that.

Michigan is back.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Props to Louisville and any fans here. Well played. They don't quit when they're down again and again.

Yep. They kept calm and kept coming and Michigan finally caved. I think a game like tonight speaks as to why McGary will be back. He's not there just yet.

[Crapshoot]

McGary isn't exactly going to be an NBA star, is he? I know next to nothing, but he looks like late 1st round type to me - totally understand whatever he decides to do, but its not like he's going to be a lottery pick, is he?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

McGary isn't exactly going to be an NBA star, is he? I know next to nothing, but he looks like late 1st round type to me - totally understand whatever he decides to do, but its not like he's going to be a lottery pick, is he?

Not right now, no.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I may have an mildly slight bias, but EVERY Michigan player would be well served to come back next season to hone his game and try to finish what was started.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

McGary isn't exactly going to be an NBA star, is he? I know next to nothing, but he looks like late 1st round type to me - totally understand whatever he decides to do, but its not like he's going to be a lottery pick, is he?

Some team in the middle of the first round could fall in love with him, but he'd probably be taken in the 20s.

He's way older than your typical freshman. If he stays for 1 more year then he's a 22 year old entering the draft so it's doubtful his stock is getting any higher than it is now. The correct decision with regards to his draft status would be to capitalize on Michigan's run and leave now.

[kingfc22]

Very cool to see Ware cut down the net.

[DaddyTorgo]

Was there a game on tonight?

[Matthean]

The top three recruits for Michigan so far is two guards and a forward. They are essentially replacing Burke, Hardaway Jr. and Morgan. I would be stunned if McGary left. A five game run in a season doesn't make much of a draft pick. I don't include tonight since he was a non-factor.

[Dutch]

I don't watch a lot of basketball, but this game will make me rethink that. Great game.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Matthean

The top three recruits for Michigan so far is two guards and a forward. They are essentially replacing Burke, Hardaway Jr. and Morgan. I would be stunned if McGary left. A five game run in a season doesn't make much of a draft pick. I don't include tonight since he was a non-factor.

Based on what I've read I'll be surprised if he leaves as well. Strictly speaking of draft position, though, I think GRIII, Burke, and McGary should leave. Unless McGary absolutely dominates and morphs into a POY candidate (unlikely) his stock will not get higher. Personal opinon, but I don't think GRIII's stock will get higher than the potential lottery pick that he is now either.

Hardaway Jr is the one guy that makes some sense in coming back. He's a fringe 1st rounder at best now and if he were to come back for another year and show leadership and development as a shooter/defender he could make himself a late 1st round lock.

Like I said, that's strictly thinking of draft position. They all may love school and decide to come back and give it another shot. You can't blame them for that.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Atocep

He's way older than your typical freshman. If he stays for 1 more year then he's a 22 year old entering the draft so it's doubtful his stock is getting any higher than it is now. The correct decision with regards to his draft status would be to capitalize on Michigan's run and leave now.

Disagree. If he comes back next year and can provide consistent contributions all season long like the did for most of the tourney, he could easily be picked in the 'teens or higher. A team would pick him mid-to-late-20s this year just due to his potential, but it's worth getting picked higher if you're a big man solely because the higher you are picked the more chance of the team giving you time to develop. I think he has plenty to gain by coming back next year, especially with the expected departures.

[cougarfreak]

Man, that's why I think Pitino is one the greatest coaches. His teams never quit, and make it through adversity time and time again. He typically gets more out of players than any other coach in the country. I thought they were done, down 12 against Wichita State on Saturday. I had forgotten what they did just a few weeks ago against Syracuse. Tonight, when down 12 against Michigan, I wasn't worried at all. I knew they had a run in them. And good god, I thought the announcers were way over the top when Michigan was leading in the first half. Refereeing? It was putrid both ways.

[Matthean]

I knew the run was coming, but I had assumed Michigan had one coming in the second half, and it never really materialized in the way I thought it would. UL's depth and experience won out.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Disagree. If he comes back next year and can provide consistent contributions all season long like the did for most of the tourney, he could easily be picked in the 'teens or higher. A team would pick him mid-to-late-20s this year just due to his potential, but it's worth getting picked higher if you're a big man solely because the higher you are picked the more chance of the team giving you time to develop. I think he has plenty to gain by coming back next year, especially with the expected departures.

Or he could be like Cody Zeller, who comes back and sees his stock drop from where he was last year. If Zeller does end up coming back to try to rebound his stock, that's two years of NBA earnings he'll be missing out on.

The difference in initial salary between being a mid lottery pick and anywhere else in the first round is rarely worth delaying receiving that second contract a year earlier.

[Young Drachma]

You gotta go while that guaranteed money is at it's highest. Forget all of that staying in school jazz. Those guys don't have unlimited earnings potential, this ain't golf.

[Butter]

Yes, the NBA doesn't mind taking toolsy upside guys, so McGary needs to leave.

Plus, that makes it easier for Ohio St. next year.

[Matthean]

Unless there is a decent mass exit from UL, they'll be hell to beat next year. I assumed they had more Seniors but the bulk of their team is Juniors or under.

Coming back isn't about the difference in the rookie contract as it is developing so you have a better chance at a quality second contract.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Coming back isn't about the difference in the rookie contract as it is developing so you have a better chance at a quality second contract.

Except generally speaking, that doesn't happen. The NBA drafts based on potential. It doesn't happen very often where a kid plays more in college and he ends up getting drafted higher (or even as high as he likely would have if he came out earlier). Development is much higher at the NBA level when these kids are training all day with dedicated coaches and not pretending to go to class and study.

[Marmel]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Unless there is a decent mass exit from UL, they'll be hell to beat next year. I assumed they had more Seniors but the bulk of their team is Juniors or under.

Coming back isn't about the difference in the rookie contract as it is developing so you have a better chance at a quality second contract.

What Logan said.

You are assuming that it is more beneficial to develop under a college coach and his sytem than it is to develop as a full time professional player and a team with a professional staff. I believe your assumption is wrong.