2014 MLB Thread - Page 53

cartman · 10-30-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Positive stat of the day #1: Only three teams have lost the first game of the WS by 6+ runs. All three went on to win the World Series.

Positive stat of the day #2: When the Royals won the World Series, they lost the first two games in the series (this also covers tomorrow in case things go south tonight).

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Here's the generally good news, which we somewhat already knew from our experience in 1985. Out of the last 10 teams that have headed home down 3-2, 8 of them have won the World Series (one of those teams being the 1985 Royals).

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Saw that in the last 9 Game 7 WS games, the home team is 9-0. We do NOT want to be the one to break that streak.

Since the move to a 7 game series, no team that has lost four games has gone on to lose a fifth game.

BillJasper · 10-30-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Especially since it'll likely be another thirty years before the Royals make it back!

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

We're now officially a dynasty. No worries.

I guess the dynasty has been put on hold?

Congratulations to the Giants and the Royals. It was a shame someone had to lose.

stevew · 10-30-2014, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Since the move to a 7 game series, no team that has lost four games has gone on to lose a fifth game.

The Royals have them right where they want them.

CraigSca · 10-30-2014, 12:53 PM

The best part of the World Series ending is this:

Alex Rodriguez eligible for New York Yankees as season-long suspension ends - ESPN New York

Arles · 10-30-2014, 05:26 PM

Best deal in baseball:

St. Louis Cardinals exercise John Lackey's MLB-minimum option - ESPN

Thanks again, Red Sox!

Glengoyne · 10-30-2014, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

How does one be a fan of the Boston Red Sox, St. Louis Cardinals, AND the San Francisco Giants? Who's the 4th favorite team? The Yankees?

Well three out of four aint bad. Last year I declared that I would be happy no matter who won the series. It actually took the interference on the base paths ruling to show me my true allegiance in that one.

Buccaneer · 10-30-2014, 06:43 PM

Come to think of it, the choices are easy: generally any pro teams not in NYC,
Pennsylvania, Chicago or LA.

cuervo72 · 10-30-2014, 07:06 PM

Probably forgot Atlanta and Detroit.

Buccaneer · 10-30-2014, 07:16 PM

I'm ok with Atlanta and Detroit and even [cough] Texas...generally, compared to NY, PA, Chic and LA.

EagleFan · 10-30-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Come to think of it, the choices are easy: generally any pro teams not in NYC,
Pennsylvania, Chicago or LA.

hedge much...

sterlingice · 10-30-2014, 08:04 PM

Jon, do you have the overnights from Kansas City? I saw that game 2 had close to a 50 share for Kansas City. I'd love to see what they were for Game 7, especially if there's a half hour breakdown. I wouldn't be surprised to see over 60 for the last hour but I don't have a sense of these things.

The thing that still gets me, even a day later, is that when Gordon was running there were at least 500K or more people irrationally yelling "GO! GO! GO!" at a tv in a unified cause, trivial though it may be. I was curious to try and put a number to it, if possible.

SI

cartman · 10-30-2014, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

, is that when Gordon was running there were at least 500K or more people irrationally yelling "GO! GO! GO!" at a tv in a unified cause, trivial though it may be. I was curious to try and put a number to it, if possible.

SI

Another thing from that particular play that would be interesting to put a number to would be to see if the Royals had a better chance of him running to home, or trying to rely on the next batter to bring him in. With all of the advanced metrics out there, I'm sure someone has already started work on the different probabilities.

kingfc22 · 10-30-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Another thing from that particular play that would be interesting to put a number to would be to see if the Royals had a better chance of him running to home, or trying to rely on the next batter to bring him in. With all of the advanced metrics out there, I'm sure someone has already started work on the different probabilities.

I wish there was a replay showing when Gordon went into full speed as I'd be curious to see if it was one of those regular plays where the batter runs 75% "knowing" it's a single at best and then needs to turn on the jets once the ball skips past the defender.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-30-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Jon, do you have the overnights from Kansas City? I saw that game 2 had close to a 50 share for Kansas City. I'd love to see what they were for Game 7, especially if there's a half hour breakdown. I wouldn't be surprised to see over 60 for the last hour but I don't have a sense of these things.

The thing that still gets me, even a day later, is that when Gordon was running there were at least 500K or more people irrationally yelling "GO! GO! GO!" at a tv in a unified cause, trivial though it may be. I was curious to try and put a number to it, if possible.

SI

found this note at TVBTN

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Kansas City turned out in force to watch the finale of their Royals’ thrilling postseason run, posting its highest metered market rating for any MLB game on record - 58.3/77. (Note: Kansas City was not a metered market during the Royals’ last World Series appearance in 1985). San Francisco’s 38.8/64 was the best MLB rating for the Bay Area since Game 7 of the 2002 World Series.

I think that's the HH rating there and with 923,290 HH in the market, figure, 538,278 HH based on that rating, typically around 1.5 people watching per HH ... give or take probably around 750,000 people in the Kansas City DMA were screaming simultaneously.

henry296 · 10-30-2014, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Another thing from that particular play that would be interesting to put a number to would be to see if the Royals had a better chance of him running to home, or trying to rely on the next batter to bring him in. With all of the advanced metrics out there, I'm sure someone has already started work on the different probabilities.

Nate Silver wrote something on this topic.

Send Alex Gordon! | FiveThirtyEight

sterlingice · 10-30-2014, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Nate Silver wrote something on this topic.

Send Alex Gordon! | FiveThirtyEight

As did Jeff Sullivan:
Alex Gordon Barely Had a Chance | FanGraphs Baseball

(I wasn't advocating sending him, for the record. I thought he would be out by a mile, barring something inexplicable like Crawford airmailing the throw or a catcher's interference. Even with some odd things already happening on that play, the odds were still greatly against it.)

But, I seriously think there was a whole city, as that play was unfolding, just yelling "GO! GO! GO!", trying to will one last bit of magic out of the season.

SI

Butter · 10-31-2014, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Nate Silver wrote something on this topic.

Send Alex Gordon! | FiveThirtyEight

Looking at the analysis on Fangraphs, I'm going to wildly guess that Alex Gordon had something like a 5% chance of scoring or even less considering where the ball was as he approached 3rd base. I'm not sure how you could send him there, even considering the circumstances.

Although it probably would've been interesting to make MLB interpret the worst new rule change, the plate-blocking rule, as part of the potential end of the Series.

BishopMVP · 10-31-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Best deal in baseball:

St. Louis Cardinals exercise John Lackey's MLB-minimum option - ESPN

Thanks again, Red Sox!

But we got Allen Craig!

cartman · 10-31-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Although it probably would've been interesting to make MLB interpret the worst new rule change, the plate-blocking rule, as part of the potential end of the Series.

Especially since it would have involved the catcher that was a big reason for the rule.

Coffee Warlord · 10-31-2014, 02:08 PM

Maddon to the Cubs coming soon, as the Cubs just announced they're firing Renteria.

Logan · 10-31-2014, 03:02 PM

If you believe what the Cubs said, it seems like they handled this about as well as possible in terms of keeping Renteria in the loop.

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Rick deserved to come back for another season as Cubs manager, and we said as much when we announced that he would be returning in 2015. We met with Rick two weeks ago for a long end-of-season evaluation and discussed plans for next season. We praised Rick to the media and to our season ticket holders. These actions were made in good faith.

Last Thursday, we learned that Joe Maddon - who may be as well suited as anyone in the industry to manage the challenges that lie ahead of us - had become a free agent. We confirmed the news with Major League Baseball, and it became public knowledge the next day. We saw it as a unique opportunity and faced a clear dilemma: be loyal to Rick or be loyal to the organization. In this business of trying to win a world championship for the first time in 107 years, the organization has priority over any one individual. We decided to pursue Joe.

While there was no clear playbook for how to handle this type of situation, we knew we had to be transparent with Rick before engaging with Joe. Jed flew to San Diego last Friday and told Rick in person of our intention to talk to Joe about the managerial job. Subsequently, Jed and I provided updates to Rick via telephone and today informed him that we will indeed make a change.

We offered Rick a choice of other positions with the Cubs, but he is of course free to leave the organization and pursue opportunities elsewhere. Armed with the experience of a successful season and all the qualities that made him our choice a year ago, Rick will no doubt make an excellent major league manager when given his next chance.

Neuqua · 10-31-2014, 03:08 PM

Yeah, it's a bummer for Rick but the organization did what they had to do when Joe became a free agent. And from what I read in the release, they were as fair as they could be to Rick.

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 03:13 PM

I have this strange suspicion Maddon won't be receiving a Christmas card from Renteria this year.

Logan · 10-31-2014, 03:13 PM

If I were the Mets and was pursuing Maddon I would have just canceled Terry Collins' work phone and email account.

Buccaneer · 10-31-2014, 04:05 PM

Feel sorry for such a quality manager like Maddon.

path12 · 10-31-2014, 04:30 PM

This worked out great for the Cubs when they landed Pinella. Oh wait.

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Feel sorry for such a quality manager like Maddon.

Yup, hate having young players such as Bryant, Rizzo, Soler, Arrieta, Castro, Baez, Almora, Schwarber and Alcantara at your disposal. What a travesty.

Neuqua · 10-31-2014, 05:25 PM

He's a Cubs hater, disregard.

Dutch · 10-31-2014, 05:43 PM

Cubs cut payroll from $105m to $84m last year...if they just give Maddon that $19M back, he can make some good stuff happen.

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Cubs cut payroll from $105m to $84m last year...if they just give Maddon that $19M back, he can make some good stuff happen.

Personnel payroll doesn't effect player payroll, AFAIK.

I love baseball and MLB is better when large market teams like the Cubs are competitive. They haven't won a title in what, 106 years? Plus, they have the most exciting and talented farm system in baseball. They should be fun to watch for years to come. Maddon will only make things better. Go Cubbies (when they're not playing the Braves, of course).

MrBug708 · 10-31-2014, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil

Yup, hate having young players such as Bryant, Rizzo, Soler, Arrieta, Castro, Baez, Almora, Schwarber and Alcantara at your disposal. What a travesty.

Who?

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Who?

Going to pretend you're trolling me.

MrBug708 · 10-31-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil

Going to pretend you're trolling me.

Only a few rung a bell. I'm assuming most are in the Felix Pie, Donald Veal, and Eric Patterson mold?

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Only a few rung a bell. I'm assuming most are in the Felix Pie, Donald Veal, and Eric Patterson mold?

They're all no names. Doubt you'll hear of any of em ever again. But if you'd like to read some scouting reports on a few: Evaluating the Prospects: Chicago Cubs | FanGraphs Baseball

MrBug708 · 10-31-2014, 08:09 PM

So basically my above post, 2633, was spot on

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

So basically my above post, 2633, was spot on

You’re completely right. But let’s take a look at this MLB top 100 from the Cubs system:

7.) Javier Baez (SS)
9.) Kris Bryant (3B)
18.) Albert Almora (OF)
42.) C.J. Edwards (RHP)
49.) Jorge Soler (OF)
89.) Arismendy Alcantara (2B)
100.) Pierce Johnson (RHP)

So many no-names. You gotta feel bad for the Cubbies.

MrBug708 · 10-31-2014, 08:30 PM

All three of the guys I listed were also once top prospects in the Cubs system and in major league baseball. But unless you are actual fanboy of the Cubs, they are no name player to pretty much everyone.

You don't need to keep telling me I'm right. I already know that

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

All three of the guys I listed were also once top prospects in the Cubs system and in major league baseball. But unless you are actual fanboy of the Cubs, they are no name player to pretty much everyone.

You don't need to keep telling me I'm right. I already know that

All of the prospects I listed are known to true baseball fans. Especially Kris Bryant.

Felix Pie is the only player you listed that ever made a MLB prospect top 100.

Sun Tzu · 10-31-2014, 09:00 PM

Well nertz. I guess I'm not a true fan.

Poo.

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 09:02 PM

Donald Veal
Eric Patterson

LOL

Jesus Christ, dude. What a stretch. You just wiki Chicago Cub draft selections?

Sun Tzu · 10-31-2014, 09:03 PM

Will you guys just get out the measuring tape and finish this already?

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Will you guys just get out the measuring tape and finish this already?

You've never heard of any of the Cub prospects I listed?

MrBug708 · 10-31-2014, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil

All of the prospects I listed are known to true baseball fans. Especially Kris Bryant.

Felix Pie is the only player you listed that ever made a MLB prospect top 100.

I guess you aren't a true baseball fan

BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Top 100 Prospects: 2007 Top 100 Prospects

MrBug708 · 10-31-2014, 09:08 PM

Sean Gallagher, Jose Ceda. ..take your pick of can't miss prospects.

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I guess you aren't a true baseball fan

BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Top 100 Prospects: 2007 Top 100 Prospects

Yeah, none of these are "can't miss prospects."

Keep reaching.

sterlingice · 10-31-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil

You’re completely right. But let’s take a look at this MLB top 100 from the Cubs system:

7.) Javier Baez (SS)
9.) Kris Bryant (3B)
18.) Albert Almora (OF)
42.) C.J. Edwards (RHP)
49.) Jorge Soler (OF)
89.) Arismendy Alcantara (2B)
100.) Pierce Johnson (RHP)

So many no-names. You gotta feel bad for the Cubbies.

Of any team out there, they have the brightest future between a bevy of prospects, a good front office, and a money making machine that should make them the Red Sox of the next decade.

But beware of prospects (of course):
Success and Failure Rates of Top MLB Prospects - Royals Review
Royals' can't-miss prospects have missed - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...-what-happened

For the "Best Farm System Ever", here's the gains for the Royals:

Hosmer and Moose, for all their postseason heroics this season have been worse than expected. Moose has a career .236 average and 1 season over 1.1 WAR. Hosmer has been worth a total (not average, total) of 2.4 Myers won ROY for Tampa last year but put up a triple slash of .222/.294/.320 this year.
Lamb (18 in 2011 BA rankings), Montgomery (19), and Dwyer (83) have combined for 3 major league innings.
The jury is still out on Colon (Utility IF so far), Duffy (Royals #3 starter this year but oft injured), and Jake Odorizzi (decent season in Tampa this year)

SI

Recoil · 10-31-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Of any team out there, they have the brightest future between a bevy of prospects, a good front office, and a money making machine that should make them the Red Sox of the next decade.

But beware of prospects (of course):
Success and Failure Rates of Top MLB Prospects - Royals Review
Royals' can't-miss prospects have missed - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...-what-happened

For the "Best Farm System Ever", here's the gains for the Royals:

Hosmer and Moose, for all their postseason heroics this season have been worse than expected. Moose has a career .236 average and 1 season over 1.1 WAR. Hosmer has been worth a total (not average, total) of 2.4 Myers won ROY for Tampa last year but put up a triple slash of .222/.294/.320 this year.
Lamb (18 in 2011 BA rankings), Montgomery (19), and Dwyer (83) have combined for 3 major league innings.
The jury is still out on Colon (Utility IF so far), Duffy (Royals #3 starter this year but oft injured), and Jake Odorizzi (decent season in Tampa this year)

SI

First, my condolences. I was rooting for Royal Blue all the way.

And you're right. Moose and Hosmer are two great examples of top prospects that didn't pan out. Hosmer tried to put KC on his back. I still don't think he's a legit 1B.

Moose seems lost. Everyone knows the talent is there, though. At 26, he only has a few seasons to prove himself before he becomes a FA in 2018.

sterlingice · 10-31-2014, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Recoil

First, my condolences. I was rooting for Royal Blue all the way.

And you're right. Moose and Hosmer are two great examples of top prospects that didn't pan out. Hosmer tried to put KC on his back. I still don't think he's a legit 1B.

Moose seems lost. Everyone knows the talent is there, though. At 26, he only has a few seasons to prove himself before he becomes a FA in 2018.

Thanks for the kind words.

As for Hosmer and Moose, both are good defenders but their bats are just, ugh, for their positions. And they were both Top 10 prospects- not Royals Top 10, MLB top 10 as well as really high draft picks, to boot.

And I wasn't trying to be a downer about the Cubs. Their system is loaded unlike anyone else in the league. It's just a reminder that prospects are just that and the attrition rate is high.

SI

Mizzou B-ball fan · 11-02-2014, 11:19 AM

Interesting that Billy Butler is all but begging the Royals to take him back. I think Billy is one of those really good guys who feels comfortable in the Midwest. Although he could get money elsewhere, I think he's also one of those guys that isn't all that excited about facing the increased scrutiny of a coastal media market if things go south for him. Will be interesting to see if he takes a 5-6M sweetheart deal from the Royals just to avoid going elsewhere.

Nice letter in the KC Star today.

Sun Tzu · 11-02-2014, 11:27 AM

Stark contrast to Giants fans, who, as we all know, celebrated in San Francisco after game 7 by lighting several Royals fans on fire.

10-30-2014, 12:53 PM	#2604
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10-30-2014, 05:26 PM	#2605
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10-30-2014, 07:06 PM	#2608
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Probably forgot Atlanta and Detroit. __________________ null

10-30-2014, 08:04 PM	#2611
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Jon, do you have the overnights from Kansas City? I saw that game 2 had close to a 50 share for Kansas City. I'd love to see what they were for Game 7, especially if there's a half hour breakdown. I wouldn't be surprised to see over 60 for the last hour but I don't have a sense of these things. The thing that still gets me, even a day later, is that when Gordon was running there were at least 500K or more people irrationally yelling "GO! GO! GO!" at a tv in a unified cause, trivial though it may be. I was curious to try and put a number to it, if possible. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

10-31-2014, 03:08 PM	#2622
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Yeah, it's a bummer for Rick but the organization did what they had to do when Joe became a free agent. And from what I read in the release, they were as fair as they could be to Rick. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

10-30-2014, 06:43 PM	#2607
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Come to think of it, the choices are easy: generally any pro teams not in NYC, Pennsylvania, Chicago or LA.

10-30-2014, 07:16 PM	#2609
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I'm ok with Atlanta and Detroit and even [cough] Texas...generally, compared to NY, PA, Chic and LA.

10-31-2014, 02:08 PM	#2620
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Maddon to the Cubs coming soon, as the Cubs just announced they're firing Renteria.

10-31-2014, 03:13 PM	#2623
Recoil High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GA	I have this strange suspicion Maddon won't be receiving a Christmas card from Renteria this year.

10-31-2014, 03:13 PM	#2624
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	If I were the Mets and was pursuing Maddon I would have just canceled Terry Collins' work phone and email account.

10-31-2014, 04:05 PM	#2625
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Feel sorry for such a quality manager like Maddon.

10-31-2014, 04:30 PM	#2626
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	This worked out great for the Cubs when they landed Pinella. Oh wait. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

10-31-2014, 05:25 PM	#2628
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	He's a Cubs hater, disregard. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

10-31-2014, 05:43 PM	#2629
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Cubs cut payroll from $105m to $84m last year...if they just give Maddon that $19M back, he can make some good stuff happen.

10-31-2014, 08:09 PM	#2635
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	So basically my above post, 2633, was spot on

10-31-2014, 08:30 PM	#2637
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	All three of the guys I listed were also once top prospects in the Cubs system and in major league baseball. But unless you are actual fanboy of the Cubs, they are no name player to pretty much everyone. You don't need to keep telling me I'm right. I already know that

10-31-2014, 09:00 PM	#2639
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Well nertz. I guess I'm not a true fan. Poo. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-31-2014, 09:02 PM	#2640
Recoil High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GA	Donald Veal Eric Patterson LOL Jesus Christ, dude. What a stretch. You just wiki Chicago Cub draft selections?

10-31-2014, 09:03 PM	#2641
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Will you guys just get out the measuring tape and finish this already? __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon.

10-31-2014, 09:08 PM	#2644
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Sean Gallagher, Jose Ceda. ..take your pick of can't miss prospects.

11-02-2014, 11:19 AM	#2649
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Interesting that Billy Butler is all but begging the Royals to take him back. I think Billy is one of those really good guys who feels comfortable in the Midwest. Although he could get money elsewhere, I think he's also one of those guys that isn't all that excited about facing the increased scrutiny of a coastal media market if things go south for him. Will be interesting to see if he takes a 5-6M sweetheart deal from the Royals just to avoid going elsewhere. Nice letter in the KC Star today.

11-02-2014, 11:27 AM	#2650
Sun Tzu Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In the thick of it.	Stark contrast to Giants fans, who, as we all know, celebrated in San Francisco after game 7 by lighting several Royals fans on fire. __________________ I'm still here. Don't touch my fucking bacon. Last edited by Sun Tzu : 11-02-2014 at 02:20 PM.

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