2014 NFL Regular Season, Week 17

[JPhillips]

That was a beautiful fake. The Dolphins had no idea it was happening.

[Thomkal]

Nice choke job SD

[Thomkal]

Let's go Rams, Lions and of course my beloved Cardinals!

Oh and Carolina too

[Abe Sargent]

Okay.........LIONS

[Atocep]

JJ Watt should be MVP.

[EagleFan]

How is Romo in the MVP talk? He is not even the MVP on his own team. Without Murray they are watching the playoffs.

[Thomkal]

Woohoo Cards! What a time for your first TD Ryan Lindley!

[Abe Sargent]

Good job on the goalline shutdown Lions!

[Radii]

Carolina moving the ball and actually getting a TD in the red zone, what am I watching!?

[Solecismic]

2015 Draft Order Update:

1. Tampa Bay
2. Tennessee
3. Jacksonville
4. Oakland (if OAK loses to DEN), otherwise Washington
5. Washington (if OAK loses to DEN), otherwise New York Jets
6. New York Jets (if OAK loses to DEN), otherwise Oakland
7. Chicago
8. Atlanta (if ATL loses to CAR), otherwise New York Giants
9. New York Giants (if ATL loses to CAR), otherwise St. Louis (if STL loses to SEA), otherwise Carolina
10. St. Louis (if STL loses to SEA and ATL loses to CAR), otherwise Carolina (if STL loses to SEA and CAR loses to ATL), otherwise Minnesota or Cleveland (high potential for coin flip).

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

How is Romo in the MVP talk? He is not even the MVP on his own team. Without Murray they are watching the playoffs.

Thank you.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

That was a beautiful fake. The Dolphins had no idea it was happening.

The Dolphins defense looked like they had no idea what was happening most of the day. Always nice to end a non-playoff season on a high note!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

How is Romo in the MVP talk? He is not even the MVP on his own team. Without Murray they are watching the playoffs.

Is Romo in any serious person's MVP talk, or is that just tv talking heads pandering to viewers?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

How is Romo in the MVP talk? He is not even the MVP on his own team. Without Murray they are watching the playoffs.

Honestly, we can take that to the extreme. Without that offensive line Murray wouldn't lead the NFL in rushing. If defenses didn't have to respect the passing game with Romo, Bryant and Witten, Murray wouldn't lead the league in rushing. If the Cowboys hadn't finally hired an offensive coordinator who was committed to running the ball, then Murray would've had another average season.

I have no issues with Murray being in the MVP conversation, but I wouldn't dismiss Romo either. YMMV.

[BillJasper]

Oh no...

[kingfc22]

Rodgers down...

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Rodgers down...

He was walking on his own on the sideline.

[StLee]

Non-contact injury to the knee. Almost always torn ACL.

[Matthean]

Will be interesting to see how much he plays. Lions playing like an indoors team playing outside.

[BillJasper]

I wonder if Mike Smith has his office packed?

[Solecismic]

NFL.com is calling it a calf injury. So that bodes well if the Packers hold on.

[Abe Sargent]

TD Calvin baby!

[Radii]

Hell of a first half for Carolina, wow.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

NFL.com is calling it a calf injury. So that bodes well if the Packers hold on.

Still, play next week @Dallas or take a week off and play at home.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Still, play next week @Dallas or take a week off and play at home.

I don't think Rodgers comes back either way. They exit the playoffs early if they have to depend on Matt Flynn.

They just have to hope that Flynn saved a little of the magic from the time he had the big day against Detroit.

[Matthean]

All Ryan Lindley does is throw touchdowns.

[BillJasper]

Random thought: I think Philip Rivers is the most overrated QB in a long, long time. He chokes a lot in big games and is constantly complaining to officials when he is on the field. You would almost think he has been coached by Jim Harbaugh.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Random thought: I think Philip Rivers is the most overrated QB in a long, long time. He chokes a lot in big games and is constantly complaining to officials when he is on the field. You would almost think he has been coached by Jim Harbaugh.

He's always lacked the maturity to be an elite QB. Norv got a lot of blame for the team's failings, but Rivers was right there.

[BillJasper]

That was some sad tackling by Oakland.

[Thomkal]

Wow-what a surprise with my beloved Cardinals. Thank God Floyd has developed some chemistry with Lindley-he's made adjustments on several plays and that TD in the last minute of the half was incredible. Hopefully SF was so demoaralized by Lindley scoring 2 TD's against them that they have yet another second half collapse and send Harbaugh off to Michigan with one more stinging loss.

And big kudos to the Rams for holding Seattle scoreless-can't believe that they can keep them that way though.

And season over for the Packers? Doubt very much Rodgers can play next week if they have to play...and seeing him early in the game struggling with the injury makes me think he shouldn't have been playing in the first place, playoff spot regardless.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Matthean

All Ryan Lindley does is throw touchdowns.

You know it baby!

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Wow-what a surprise with my beloved Cardinals. Thank God Floyd has developed some chemistry with Lindley-he's made adjustments on several plays and that TD in the last minute of the half was incredible. Hopefully SF was so demoaralized by Lindley scoring 2 TD's against them that they have yet another second half collapse and send Harbaugh off to Michigan with one more stinging loss.

And big kudos to the Rams for holding Seattle scoreless-can't believe that they can keep them that way though.

And season over for the Packers? Doubt very much Rodgers can play next week if they have to play...and seeing him early in the game struggling with the injury makes me think he shouldn't have been playing in the first place, playoff spot regardless.

Niners are basically playing 3rd stringers at most defensive positions right now. Don't put too much stock into what Lindley is doing today.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Niners are basically playing 3rd stringers at most defensive positions right now. Don't put too much stock into what Lindley is doing today.

Oh I'm not really, but the guy was looking pretty horrible last week that even 3rd stringers should have been enough to challenge him. And they still may today. But he's had at least two long drives instead of 3 and outs. And got lucky on a couple of poorly thrown passes that could have been INT's.

[EagleFan]

Looks like this year's MVP is coming back into the game.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Niners are basically playing 3rd stringers at most defensive positions right now. Don't put too much stock into what Lindley is doing today.

Keep rationalizing possibly getting beat my Derek Carr and Ryan Lindley.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Looks like this year's MVP is coming back into the game.

This could be a very big mistake I think.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

This could be a very big mistake I think.

Guess it depends on whether it is one of those injuries that can be worsened by playing or one that just makes it more difficult to play. If the latter I like his chances over Stafford.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

This could be a very big mistake I think.

While I don't think I'd have sent Rodgers back in, it is probably tough to keep him off the field when there's a game on the line.

[Solecismic]

There are so many things to like about Rodgers. Every once in a while you even see a bit of Favre in him. I think he's the clear MVP.

[EagleFan]

Looks like Carolina wins the South.

[Desnudo]

Lol Caldwell challenging that when the guy is lying on the ground

Austin Powers gambling move

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

There are so many things to like about Rodgers. Every once in a while you even see a bit of Favre in him. I think he's the clear MVP.

I think it should be either Rodgers or J.J. Watt.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Lol Caldwell challenging that when the guy is lying on the ground

Austin Powers gambling move

Didn't quite understand that challenge...

[EagleFan]

Not a good couple minutes for Arizona (49ers take the lead and Seahawks take the lead in a matter of minutes).

[Matthean]

Rodgers might play well enough to where he doesn't need to finish.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

There are so many things to like about Rodgers. Every once in a while you even see a bit of Favre in him. I think he's the clear MVP.

My preference, if you are choosing an offensive skill position, would be Murray. But it's always easy to see the QB on the team with the best record get it. Particularly if they had a difficult division. The 12-4 teams of New England (Brady was good), Dallas, Denver (Manning) and likely Green Bay are the obvious places to look. That's why Murray would be my choice, as a RB that made a 12-4 team in a day when that's a lot harder than it used to be.

[Atocep]

Watt is the best player in the NFL right now and I don't think it's close. No other player is dominating his position at the level he is. IMO he's hands down the MVP.

Rodgers will win it though. Best QB on a playoff team.

[Solecismic]

Maybe Caldwell can challenge that as an incomplete forward pass.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Looks like Carolina wins the South.

Given the questions that we have thrown at so many QBs recently, can we start asking some of those questions of Matt Ryan?

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Given the questions that we have thrown at so many QBs recently, can we start asking some of those questions of Matt Ryan?

Definitely has enough tools that it seems like he should have accomplished more. Will be interesting to see how he fits when the new coaching staff comes in.