2015 MLB thread - Page 47

MrBug708 · 10-15-2015, 10:47 PM

How do the Mets have a smaller payroll than the Cubs?

Ramzavail · 10-15-2015, 10:52 PM

Gigantic win!

At the time, I was surprised that Ethier didn't let that flyball go foul (bc I never thought you would have gotten Murphy at the plate) or do you not give up an guaranteed out there?

Logan · 10-15-2015, 11:10 PM

I can't believe they pulled that out. deGrom impressed me a ton, not having his best stuff but just fighting through. Felt like it should have been 8-1 and all of a sudden it's 2-2.

Murphy made myself a lot of money with this series.

Cubs will be very tough with that lineup plus Arietta. Should be fun.

Atocep · 10-15-2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

How do the Mets have a smaller payroll than the Cubs?

Opening day payrolls for the Mets and Cubs were roughly $100 million and $120 million according to deadspin (which pulled it's numbers from the AP).

Spotrac has the Mets and Cubs total payrolls at $120 million and $133 million.

MrBug708 · 10-15-2015, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Gigantic win!

At the time, I was surprised that Ethier didn't let that flyball go foul (bc I never thought you would have gotten Murphy at the plate) or do you not give up an guaranteed out there?

I thought that too at the time, but I think you never let an out go

BishopMVP · 10-15-2015, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

How do the Mets have a smaller payroll than the Cubs?

Their owners lost a ton of money in the Bernie Madoff scam.

MrBug708 · 10-16-2015, 12:00 AM

Seems like every Cub is like in their first or second year other than Lester

RainMaker · 10-16-2015, 12:16 AM

Cubs are still paying for Edwin Jackson's $13 million salary. Also think they paid Rafael Soriano a bunch of money this year too that they had to eat.

Vince, Pt. II · 10-16-2015, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I thought that too at the time, but I think you never let an out go

My buddy and I talked about it a ton, and the correct decision depends entirely upon what Greinke does if you drop it.

When it comes down to it, the only way the guy on third is guaranteed to score is by catching that ball, so I think that's a pretty good argument for letting it drop.

MizzouRah · 10-16-2015, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramzavail

Gigantic win!

At the time, I was surprised that Ethier didn't let that flyball go foul (bc I never thought you would have gotten Murphy at the plate) or do you not give up an guaranteed out there?

Is that why Either was screaming at Mattingly?

Logan · 10-16-2015, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Is that why Either was screaming at Mattingly?

Pretty sure that came later.

A situation like that is where having a sideline reporter in baseball could have come in handy.

PilotMan · 10-16-2015, 09:09 AM

The problems that I saw with LA were numerous this year. The team seriously lacked that big bat that nobody wanted to face. Post all star break, both Grandal and Petersen were hitting like pitchers, that's 2 of the 20hr guys, then you've got the uber consistent Gonzo doing his thing, and hitting a guy like Turner 4th, when he really ought to be hitting 2nd or 5th/6th. A lack of power put a lot of pressure on the rotation. We rode those ponies as far as they would go.

The bullpen was the other main issue. We had some very live arms in there, but a lot of those guys lacked the mental toughness to be able to throw consistent strikes, especially in tight spots. Once their heads were messed up, it was enough of an opening. Jansen pitched great, but even he would have short let downs, and not having a really strong guy in front of him added to the pressure.

As far as starters go, we were banking on every player having comeback player of the year tattooed on their foreheads. Once those guys went down with injuries we were satisfied with Anderson going from #5 to #3 and playing fill in the rest of the way. Hell, we started the year with no #5 starter and kept calling whoever up from AAA to fill in that spot. So we've spent all this money and we can't find decent pitching? Arrogant that we're good enough?

It was all stupid. The team never had the talent to go to the next level and despite my heart willing them on I knew it would end with a first round exit. They really need to make the transition now to some new people. The lineup should look much different next year, but I have a feeling that it's not going to.

Coffee Warlord · 10-16-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

How do the Mets have a smaller payroll than the Cubs?

Cubs have 20 million in 'dead' salary.

cartman · 10-16-2015, 11:52 AM

Greinke is opting out of his contract.

PilotMan · 10-16-2015, 11:59 AM

No surprise, he is set to cash in. I've still heard that either of the two LA teams are prime spots for him to land.

MrBug708 · 10-16-2015, 12:02 PM

People think the Dodgers let him walk because the ownership and front office don't want aging bloated contracts like the Yankees had. Well see but I'd give him 5/150

Warhammer · 10-16-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

No surprise, he is set to cash in. I've still heard that either of the two LA teams are prime spots for him to land.

Arte won't want him, he's not washed up enough yet

General Mike · 10-16-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

How do the Mets have a smaller payroll than the Cubs?

The only pitcher on the Mets making any money is Colon. Lineup has some guys with contracts but still a lot of young regulars.

Scoobz0202 · 10-17-2015, 05:05 PM

Price is absolutely locked in. Holy shit.

Jas_lov · 10-17-2015, 06:05 PM

Gibby pulled a Grady Little and left Price in too long, after he didn't trust him to pitch Game 5 vs Texas. That might cost the Jays the series. KC just has to win one in Toronto to be in good shape coming back home.

Also, Laz Diaz shouldn't be umping a game of this magnitude. He's one of the worst umps in the league.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-18-2015, 10:24 AM

Bottom line, the AL Champs still look like the AL Champs and someone's going to have to beat them to prove otherwise.

Also, seeing Bautista show his true colors makes it all worth it. He's an emotional brat. He wants all the attention when he succeeds and deflects all criticism when he fails.

AENeuman · 10-18-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Bottom line, the AL Champs still look like the AL Champs and someone's going to have to beat them to prove otherwise.

Also, seeing Bautista show his true colors makes it all worth it. He's an emotional brat. He wants all the attention when he succeeds and deflects all criticism when he fails.

Whoa, hold on there Neil degrasse Tyson. Are you saying someone is going to have to beat kc to prove they are the AL champs?!! IMHO, I believe someone is going to have to turn on the lights if they think they can beat kc at night.

Also, isn't funny Bautista's colors are the same as KC's?

MikeVic · 10-18-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Bottom line, the AL Champs still look like the AL Champs and someone's going to have to beat them to prove otherwise.

Also, seeing Bautista show his true colors makes it all worth it. He's an emotional brat. He wants all the attention when he succeeds and deflects all criticism when he fails.

I don't understand the Bautista comment. I don't think it's a secret that he's an emotional player. Maybe I'm not up-to-date with baseball news from today or something, did he say something to the media? If it's about the Goins/Bautista dropped pop-up, well that was a bad on Goins I think.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-18-2015, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

Whoa, hold on there Neil degrasse Tyson. Are you saying someone is going to have to beat kc to prove they are the AL champs?!! IMHO, I believe someone is going to have to turn on the lights if they think they can beat kc at night.

Also, isn't funny Bautista's colors are the same as KC's?

They're both blue. Excellent observation.

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't understand the Bautista comment. I don't think it's a secret that he's an emotional player. Maybe I'm not up-to-date with baseball news from today or something, did he say something to the media? If it's about the Goins/Bautista dropped pop-up, well that was a bad on Goins I think.

He acts like a childish brat every time something doesn't go his way. The antics at the plate are ridiculous. And he tossed Goins under the buss with his comments. That's not what a team player does, but I suppose no one will ever mistake him for that.

Logan · 10-18-2015, 04:40 PM

Last night's Mets-Cubs game was fun. Apologies for not talking shit about Cubs players.

Atocep · 10-18-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Last night's Mets-Cubs game was fun. Apologies for not talking shit about Cubs players.

I think you're supposed to wait until your team is safely up 2 games to start talking shit.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-18-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

I think you're supposed to wait until your team is safely up 2 games to start talking shit.

Why wait two games when it's clear there's a schmuck in the other dugout before the first game of the series is even played? Only reason I didn't post it sooner is because I was hosting multiple events at my place of business.

Logan · 10-18-2015, 10:28 PM

Murphy has just been magical. Arrieta really settled down after the early troubles but This was very strong tonight. Good to see the middle relief step up when needed.

Atocep · 10-18-2015, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Why wait two games when it's clear there's a schmuck in the other dugout before the first game of the series is even played? Only reason I didn't post it sooner is because I was hosting multiple events at my place of business.

I don't think Royals fans are the ones that should be throwing stones in this instance.

RainMaker · 10-19-2015, 12:14 AM

Wonder if Arrieta is tired. He has pitched a ton of innings this season. Like 90 more than he has ever thrown. Wonder if they should have skipped a start or two down the stretch when they had the wild card wrapped up.

Mets pitching is scary. If they add an arm or two to the bullpen next season they'll be even better.

Logan · 10-19-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Wonder if Arrieta is tired. He has pitched a ton of innings this season. Like 90 more than he has ever thrown. Wonder if they should have skipped a start or two down the stretch when they had the wild card wrapped up.

Mets pitching is scary. If they add an arm or two to the bullpen next season they'll be even better.

Mets have lost Mejia twice now (his own fault, but he was still the returning closer) and the 2 guys pegged as the top lefties in the pen back in Spring Training/early April for the season. They got (less than) nothing from Bobby Parnell coming back from TJ and Rafael Montero was supposed to be in the pen as well, but it's been one injury after another. The bullpen has had its issues but all things considered, Alderson has done a great job even getting it to adequate with all those losses.

Coffee Warlord · 10-19-2015, 08:33 AM

Arrieta looks gassed. But then again, one or two runs doesn't usually cut it in the playoffs. Bats have to wake back up.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-19-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

I don't think Royals fans are the ones that should be throwing stones in this instance.

The Royals are a cohesive team. There's not a single player on that team that would throw another player under the bus for a play such as that one. It wouldn't happen. You're so many levels of incorrect on this it's not even funny. The Royals team are the exact opposite of the character that Bautista has shown thus far.

MikeVic · 10-19-2015, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The Royals are a cohesive team. There's not a single player on that team that would throw another player under the bus for a play such as that one. It wouldn't happen. You're so many levels of incorrect on this it's not even funny. The Royals team are the exact opposite of the character that Bautista has shown thus far.

I don't know if your memory is that bad, but I wouldn't call the Royals a team with opposite character from what you're saying Bautista is. I don't follow a lot of baseball, but the one team that has made a bad imprint on me this year are the Royals.

There was the series close to after the all star break with piss-poor umping that had Donaldson thrown at several times and nothing coming as a result. Then Sanchez of the Jays throws at one Royal player and gets tossed. The one ass-hat pitcher of the Royals made a crying gesture to Donaldson or someone else on the Jays. After that series, I wouldn't classify the Royals as having good character. Regardless what your opinions of Bautista are. I go to one Jays' fan site (bluebirdbanter), and it seems like the majority of fans don't see it as throwing Goins under the bus.

jbergey22 · 10-19-2015, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The Royals are a cohesive team. There's not a single player on that team that would throw another player under the bus for a play such as that one. It wouldn't happen. You're so many levels of incorrect on this it's not even funny. The Royals team are the exact opposite of the character that Bautista has shown thus far.

The Royals are just the perfect baseball team and can do no wrong, correct? We all would like to watch the Royals win or we somewhat feel bad for them please dont take that away from us with your posts like this.

Grover · 10-19-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The Royals team are the exact opposite of the character that Bautista has shown thus far.

Series with the A's? How about with the Jays?

C'mon, man.

Logan · 10-19-2015, 09:32 AM

I like to think that MBBF made the conscious decision to go full heel when he composed that one.

cartman · 10-19-2015, 09:32 AM

I tried earlier in the season.

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Originally Posted by cartman

Open letter to MBBF:

We get it. You like the Royals. Please don't shit all over this thread as you cannot seem to avoid doing in just about every other thread you post in.

Signed,
FOFC

lighthousekeeper · 10-19-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I like to think that MBBF made the conscious decision to go full heel when he composed that one.

I like this theory - MBBF working on a higher level.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-19-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Grover

Series with the A's? How about with the Jays?

C'mon, man.

When did a Royal throw their teammate under the bus under either of those instances? You can argue whether the Royals were correct in the back and forth in those situations, but they never dumped on a teammate.

The MLB Network commentators were spot on in their analysis of his comments.

https://www.facebook.com/beiskina/videos/4209684282898/

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

The Royals are just the perfect baseball team and can do no wrong, correct? We all would like to watch the Royals win or we somewhat feel bad for them please dont take that away from us with your posts like this.

That's not correct and it's a ridiculous assertion. As I've mentioned, you can argue the merits of those situations, but no Royals player ever dumped on another player.

Chief Rum · 10-19-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Why wait two games when it's clear there's a schmuck in the other dugout before the first game of the series is even played? Only reason I didn't post it sooner is because I was hosting multiple events at my place of business.

You sure do make it easy to root against the Royals.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-19-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You sure do make it easy to root against the Royals.

It's a fantastic thing. People always want to root against the best teams.

Logan · 10-19-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's a fantastic thing. People always want to root against the best teams.

I would love to see a measure of the general public's "rooting against KC/Mizzou" and the same of the users here. I'm guessing a 5000% difference.

heybrad · 10-19-2015, 11:17 AM

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-19-2015, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I would love to see a measure of the general public's "rooting against KC/Mizzou" and the same of the users here. I'm guessing a 5000% difference.

Doubtful it's much different. Most of the SEC isn't pleased with Mizzou's early success and the rooting against the Royals after the early part of the season is pretty widespread.

Chief Rum · 10-19-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's a fantastic thing. People always want to root against the best teams.

That may be true. But I root against asshats, not winning teams.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-19-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That may be true. But I root against asshats, not winning teams.

Good deal. Then we're clearly both rooting against Bautista and the Blue Jays.

AENeuman · 10-19-2015, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Doubtful it's much different. Most of the SEC isn't pleased with Mizzou's early success and the rooting against the Royals after the early part of the season is pretty widespread.

I really enjoy coming to fof and reading an adult say juvenile statements sincerely and then being called out. It is my reality show fix. Unfortunately, you are a dying breed here, most have left or been forced out.

That being said, you can expect people to take your hyperbolic statements and become emotional about them- particularly when applied to a passionate thing like sports. So yes, I love the hair, but dislike your teams.

lighthousekeeper · 10-19-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

So yes, I love the hair, but dislike your teams.

dat Bautista follicle density tho

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-19-2015, 01:08 PM

Sad that they have to make this kind of a policy in a stadium. Idiots.

Ken Rosenthal on Twitter: "#BlueJays adjust beer policy for ALCS: Beer at 500 (highest) level of Rogers Centre will be poured into plastic cups and not sold in cans."

10-16-2015, 09:09 AM	#2312
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	The problems that I saw with LA were numerous this year. The team seriously lacked that big bat that nobody wanted to face. Post all star break, both Grandal and Petersen were hitting like pitchers, that's 2 of the 20hr guys, then you've got the uber consistent Gonzo doing his thing, and hitting a guy like Turner 4th, when he really ought to be hitting 2nd or 5th/6th. A lack of power put a lot of pressure on the rotation. We rode those ponies as far as they would go. The bullpen was the other main issue. We had some very live arms in there, but a lot of those guys lacked the mental toughness to be able to throw consistent strikes, especially in tight spots. Once their heads were messed up, it was enough of an opening. Jansen pitched great, but even he would have short let downs, and not having a really strong guy in front of him added to the pressure. As far as starters go, we were banking on every player having comeback player of the year tattooed on their foreheads. Once those guys went down with injuries we were satisfied with Anderson going from #5 to #3 and playing fill in the rest of the way. Hell, we started the year with no #5 starter and kept calling whoever up from AAA to fill in that spot. So we've spent all this money and we can't find decent pitching? Arrogant that we're good enough? It was all stupid. The team never had the talent to go to the next level and despite my heart willing them on I knew it would end with a first round exit. They really need to make the transition now to some new people. The lineup should look much different next year, but I have a feeling that it's not going to. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

10-16-2015, 11:52 AM	#2314
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Greinke is opting out of his contract. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-16-2015, 11:59 AM	#2315
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	No surprise, he is set to cash in. I've still heard that either of the two LA teams are prime spots for him to land. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

10-17-2015, 06:05 PM	#2320
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Gibby pulled a Grady Little and left Price in too long, after he didn't trust him to pitch Game 5 vs Texas. That might cost the Jays the series. KC just has to win one in Toronto to be in good shape coming back home. Also, Laz Diaz shouldn't be umping a game of this magnitude. He's one of the worst umps in the league. Last edited by Jas_lov : 10-17-2015 at 06:35 PM.

10-15-2015, 10:47 PM	#2301
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	How do the Mets have a smaller payroll than the Cubs?

10-15-2015, 10:52 PM	#2302
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	Gigantic win! At the time, I was surprised that Ethier didn't let that flyball go foul (bc I never thought you would have gotten Murphy at the plate) or do you not give up an guaranteed out there?

10-15-2015, 11:10 PM	#2303
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I can't believe they pulled that out. deGrom impressed me a ton, not having his best stuff but just fighting through. Felt like it should have been 8-1 and all of a sudden it's 2-2. Murphy made myself a lot of money with this series. Cubs will be very tough with that lineup plus Arietta. Should be fun.

10-16-2015, 12:00 AM	#2307
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Seems like every Cub is like in their first or second year other than Lester

10-16-2015, 12:16 AM	#2308
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Cubs are still paying for Edwin Jackson's $13 million salary. Also think they paid Rafael Soriano a bunch of money this year too that they had to eat.

10-16-2015, 12:02 PM	#2316
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	People think the Dodgers let him walk because the ownership and front office don't want aging bloated contracts like the Yankees had. Well see but I'd give him 5/150

10-17-2015, 05:05 PM	#2319
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Price is absolutely locked in. Holy shit.

10-18-2015, 10:24 AM	#2321
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Bottom line, the AL Champs still look like the AL Champs and someone's going to have to beat them to prove otherwise. Also, seeing Bautista show his true colors makes it all worth it. He's an emotional brat. He wants all the attention when he succeeds and deflects all criticism when he fails.

10-18-2015, 04:40 PM	#2325
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Last night's Mets-Cubs game was fun. Apologies for not talking shit about Cubs players.

10-18-2015, 10:28 PM	#2328
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Murphy has just been magical. Arrieta really settled down after the early troubles but This was very strong tonight. Good to see the middle relief step up when needed.

10-19-2015, 12:14 AM	#2330
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Wonder if Arrieta is tired. He has pitched a ton of innings this season. Like 90 more than he has ever thrown. Wonder if they should have skipped a start or two down the stretch when they had the wild card wrapped up. Mets pitching is scary. If they add an arm or two to the bullpen next season they'll be even better.

10-19-2015, 08:33 AM	#2332
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Arrieta looks gassed. But then again, one or two runs doesn't usually cut it in the playoffs. Bats have to wake back up.

10-19-2015, 09:32 AM	#2337
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I like to think that MBBF made the conscious decision to go full heel when he composed that one.

10-19-2015, 11:17 AM	#2344
heybrad Norm!!! Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Manassas, VA

10-19-2015, 01:08 PM	#2350
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Sad that they have to make this kind of a policy in a stadium. Idiots. Ken Rosenthal on Twitter: "#BlueJays adjust beer policy for ALCS: Beer at 500 (highest) level of Rogers Centre will be poured into plastic cups and not sold in cans."

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