POTUS 2016 General Election Discussion Thread

[Brian Swartz]

The Michigan/Wisconsin stuff is right on according to 538. If anyone gets both they basically win, if they are split, Trump slightly favored.

[RainMaker]

I know the narrative has been that Trump alienated a bunch of demographics. But I'm starting to wonder if perhaps the opposite was true as well. The Left has spent a decade blaming all the world's problems on white men and apparently they went out and voted as a fuck you.

I don't even know what to think right now. I don't care much about who wins these things. I think it's just one of those moments in history that stuns you and you'll never forget.

[PilotMan]

Yep, 2016, rise of the white man.

[Brian Swartz]

2% chance of electoral deadlock per 538. Just sayin'

[Warhammer]

If Trump wins, is this on par with Truman defeating Dewey?

[RainMaker]

How many do you think will follow through?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/entert...-donald-trump/

[Warhammer]

Fox just called NC for Trump.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How many do you think will follow through?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/entert...-donald-trump/

That is a reason to want him to win at least. I'll help many of them pack.

[RainMaker]

It looks like she's going to lose Wisconsin. Most of Milwaukee is in and she'd down 3. I always thought Michigan was in play because of the primaries but didn't Trump bomb in Wisconsin in the primary?

[Groundhog]

At least buying from the US is about to become a lot more affordable.

[stevew]

Clinton now has no path to victory, right?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

It looks like she's going to lose Wisconsin. Most of Milwaukee is in and she'd down 3. I always thought Michigan was in play because of the primaries but didn't Trump bomb in Wisconsin in the primary?

Madison is only 50% counted, though.

On the flipside, they just called the WI senate race for Johnson.

[PilotMan]

Dow futures have been down as much as 800 points already. Currently 650. All the major US markets are looking down 3.5-4%.

[molson]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The Left has spent a decade blaming all the world's problems on white men and apparently they went out and voted as a fuck you.

Agreed. I've ranted about this dynamic on this board a lot. McCain tried to tap into that with Palin, but she wasn't enough to swing things against a more likable candidate. I'm not a fan of Michael Moore, but he obviously was in tune with this stuff and saw this coming.

I kind of want to go to sleep, but I also kind of want to experience this historical moment and see where it goes. Though I do feel like leaving the house and going to the neighborhood bar, or trying to get some friends over or something. I mocked people who were so crazy upset about GWB, but I think I understand more about how they felt now.

It's a fascinating time in the country. Sanders was going after a similar dynamic to what is swinging the election to Trump (the young, urban version of it, I guess). But he couldn't do it, and instead, the Republicans picked up that ball of anti-establishment change.

[Jas_lov]

If she wins WI, MI, PA, MN, NV she'll win. If she loses one of those then probably not. CNN called CO for Hillary.

[molson]

Originally Posted by stevew

Clinton now has no path to victory, right?

NY Times has Trump at 94%. That seems high with what's in play, but they seemed to swing towards Trump way before anyone else did tonight.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by molson

I kind of want to go to sleep, but I also kind of want to experience this historical moment and see where it goes.

This.

[molson]

I'm just kind of waiting for the Clinton (metaphorical) kill shot now.

[Scarecrow]

Fox calls Florida for Trump

[Coffee Warlord]

Hillary's lead in PA is shrinking rapidly now. Need to check what's not reporting in.

edit: Dunno why the NYT keeps pushing this in Trump's favor, but it looks like the unreported areas are liberal strongholds.

[bob]

Originally Posted by molson

NY Times has Trump at 94%. That seems high with what's in play, but they seemed to swing towards Trump way before anyone else did tonight.

They show Penn as likely to go Trump for some reason, which is skewing things.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I know the narrative has been that Trump alienated a bunch of demographics. But I'm starting to wonder if perhaps the opposite was true as well. The Left has spent a decade blaming all the world's problems on white men and apparently they went out and voted as a fuck you.

My dad has never voted in his life. He's a poorly educated, stunningly racist, scared about the changing world around him, 76 year old white man. He voted for Trump today.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by molson

I'm just kind of waiting for the Clinton (metaphorical) kill shot now.

Yeah, it's amazing how ugly it's getting at this point. This one is going to rewrite the political science textbooks.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Hillary's lead in PA is shrinking rapidly now. Need to check what's not reporting in.

edit: Dunno why the NYT keeps pushing this in Trump's favor, but it looks like the unreported areas are liberal strongholds.

Must be heavy republican areas reporting. The Senate race went from about an 8 point lead down to a 2 point lead.

[molson]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

My dad has never voted in his life. He's a poorly educated, stunningly racist, scared about the changing world around him, 76 year old white man. He voted for Trump today.

That's one of the big takeaways tonight. We all read so much about the consistent Republican voter who couldn't vote for Trump. That rhetoric was loud but it didn't match the poll numbers, even when the poll numbers seemed good for Clinton. But the people who were saying that were saying it on facebook and twitter, so it made their voice seem louder than it really was. Americans like your dad don't use those outlets but they're making themselves heard tonight.

[wustin]

CNN isnt calling Florida or NC yet lmao this is great

[cuervo72]

Man, those 76yo white men sure do need their manufacturing jobs!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by molson

That's one of the big takeaways tonight. We all read so much about the consistent Republican voter who couldn't vote for Trump. That rhetoric was loud but it didn't match the poll numbers, even when the poll numbers seemed good for Clinton. But the people who were saying that were saying it on facebook and twitter, so it made their voice seem louder than it really was. Americans like your dad don't use those outlets but they're making themselves heard tonight.

A lot of people are calling it the 'Silent Trump Supporter'. I mentioned something similar a few weeks back in this thread and it was met with mocking banter. Not so much tonight.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

If Trump weren't willing to tear up all our post WW2 security agreements and put the world in great peril, I'd be fascinated to see the fallout for the GOP now that they seem to be abandoning almost all of the issues they said were important just four years ago.

It'll be interesting. Trump's economic policies are extremely far left. Does he have the power to pass them and completely change the GOP economic stance over the last half century? The power struggle should be interesting.

The fact he might win this by a considerable margin (if he gets WI, MI, and PA), maybe they feel he has a mandate and must go along with it.

[Ben E Lou]

That NYT algorithm is crazy, but I don't need an algorithm to know this: no matter how the rest of this goes, we're at roughly a 0% chance of hearing a Trump concession overnight.

[King of New York]

So, what cabinet positions will Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani get?

[sabotai]

The NYT still has PA in the red, even though 75% is in, Clinton leads by 100k and looking at it county by county, it's hard to see where those 100k votes will come from.

On the other hand, Clinton is down ~60k in Wisconsin with 64% in. And with Milwaukee at 87% and Dane at 66%, she might make it close but that's a big gap to make up with not many votes left to count.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by King of New York

So, what cabinet positions will Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani get?

Gingrich = Deputy Secretary of Yelling at Megan Kelly
Giuliani = Sovereign Lord of 9/11 History

[Edward64]

Fun night. Even if Hillary wins Trump has the moral victory already.

[Butter]

Gotta hand it to Silver. He was the only one even close to being on top of this outside of partisan pollsters.

He said for the last couple of weeks that if there was a polling error it was likely to be consistently wrong in one direction.

It looks like Clinton's going to lose Wisconsin and Michigan and those weren't even considered close. She got crushed in Ohio, and the correlation across the Midwest is bearing out.

[Edward64]

Wow, just noticed everyone in this thread.

[molson]

Originally Posted by King of New York

So, what cabinet positions will Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani get?

And Chris Christie? If he stays out of prison.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by molson

And Chris Christie? If he stays out of prison.

Attorney General?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by molson

And Chris Christie? If he stays out of prison.

He can be the official taste tester for the Donald.

[Scarecrow]

Just heard Karl Rove (of all people) give a pretty good summary of what happened:

[paraphrase] The American people want populist candidates. On the Republican side, they nominated Trump who won 44% of the primary votes.

On the other hand, the democrats had a populist candidate that got 47% of the votes. But because of the democratic rules, and the backing of the president, we were given Clinton.

Imagine what this election would look like if it was Trump vs Sanders.[/paraphrase]

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Fox gives Wisconsin to Trump.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Fox gives Iowa to Trump. He's clinched a tie if he holds the remaining Romney states.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

DOW futures fell to 500 points down! Haven't seen that since 2008.

Down 750 and Nikkei is down 7%. We all get what we deserve now if this maniac gets elected.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Down 750 and Nikkei is down 7%. We all get what we deserve now if this maniac gets elected.

I deserve an easy way to make crazy money off stupid people panicking. You're exactly right.

[tarcone]

You know this was expected, right? This was an indicator of who would win. It will be a buyers market tomorrow.

[Scarecrow]

Trump just needs Georgia and Michigan.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Down 750 and Nikkei is down 7%. We all get what we deserve now if this maniac gets elected.

Well, we were warned about the impending apocalypse last week when the Cubs won.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Down 750 and Nikkei is down 7%. We all get what we deserve now if this maniac gets elected.

Some would argue we are getting what we want.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

How many do you think will follow through?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/entert...-donald-trump/

Canada's Immigration Site Keeps Crashing For Some Reason

[King of New York]

Thinking ahead some more: does a Trump win embolden the Freedom Caucus in the House of Representatives to revolt against and depose Ryan?