Tom Ridge and Illegal Aliens

CamEdwards · 12-12-2003, 07:34 PM

This should make sabotai happy... because I can't believe the bullshit comment Tom Ridge made the other day in Miami.
"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it,"

Yeah, how about you enforce the laws already on the books.

The Democrats want to go easy on illegal aliens in an effort to get more minority voters. The Republicans want to go easy on illegal aliens because so many companies use illegals as cheap labor. What the hell happened to protecting our borders?

Jeez, I feel like Pat Buchanan, but Ridge's comments piss me off.

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 12-12-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by CamEdwards
What the hell happened to protecting our borders?

Yeah. I'm sick of people from Superior, WI coming over here. I should pretend that I'm so different over here in Minnesota and stand guard with a gun.

CamEdwards · 12-12-2003, 08:20 PM

sometimes it's better to just say nothing at all than to try and maintain that 14 post a day average.

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 12-12-2003, 08:58 PM

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+1

sabotai · 12-12-2003, 08:58 PM

Your link done broke.

And I say we just give Southern California and Texas back to Mexico. We don't need them.

I don't really care about the illegal alien situation. 1) They do all the shit jobs that no american-born citizen wants to do, and they'll do it for 50 cents a day. Good for them. 2) I live in New Jersey, the only aliens I come in contact with are from Golditakia from the sector Bomni....but I've said too much already.

Oh, and Tom Ridge...aren't you the fucking head of the Department of Homeland Security? Isn't it your job to already know what the immigration policy is? Jackass.

Bush sure picks the winners, don't he?

cuervo72 · 12-12-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by CamEdwards
sometimes it's better to just say nothing at all than to try and maintain that 14 post a day average.

He's studying to become the next Afoci, he has to say something.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-12-2003, 11:10 PM

Someone asked earlier this week what I thought of Ridge's remarks, my answer was simple -- I think Ridge may have lost his f'n mind.

NoMyths · 12-12-2003, 11:34 PM

I think Cam's right. How about we Native Americans shoot these freaking Englishmen instead of teaching them how to grow corn! Who's with me?!

NoMyths · 12-12-2003, 11:37 PM

Nah, it's too late for that. Let's keep those fucking Irish and Europeans away from our borders!

NoMyths · 12-12-2003, 11:38 PM

Ah, hell...foiled again. So, um...keep the brown guys out?

Or maybe realize borders are a way for the weak to feel better about themselves, instead of participating in the larger family of humanity.

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 12-12-2003, 11:46 PM

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+1; 14.**

CamEdwards · 12-13-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by NoMyths
Ah, hell...foiled again. So, um...keep the brown guys out?

Or maybe realize borders are a way for the weak to feel better about themselves, instead of participating in the larger family of humanity.

ummm...

yeah.

ISiddiqui · 12-13-2003, 01:32 AM

Good for Ridge

. This may be the best statement I've heard on the immigration issue. We really don't have a good immigration policy. We have nothing in place to deal with illegal immigrants. Of course these people come over because they see a better way of life and they will do those jobs us 'Americans' won't. They should get some legal status.

Then again, I'm personally for open borders, so I think we could go further.

Jon · 12-13-2003, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by JonInMiddleGA
Someone asked earlier this week what I thought of Ridge's remarks, my answer was simple -- I think Ridge may have lost his f'n mind.

But you have to have a mind to lose...

booradley · 12-13-2003, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by CamEdwards
Yeah, how about you enforce the laws already on the books.

Feh. Ridge doesn't decide policy - he EXECUTES it. If no one is interested in enforcing the existing laws on the books, he needs clarification on exactly what our new policy is, so that he can get on with his job. That's what his quote was all about - a plea for direction. Ridge is no moron, but his bosses may be.

BTW, nice quote from the guy who thinks we "weak" folks should abandon our borders and just love, love, LOVE our way to a big happy family of humanity. Yeah, I believe we should just give away all our hard-won limited resources like the United States is just one big fucking happy pinata. Just smile and look the other way, the same way you do when your jobless uncle invites himself over to dinner and helps himself to most of the fridge. It's OK, it's all about PEACE and LOVE, LOVE and PEACE ... never about standing up for yourself. That would be weak ...

Philliesfan980 · 12-13-2003, 10:18 AM

I think we're getting crowded enough, lets end immigration all together

Flasch186 · 12-13-2003, 10:28 AM

this is a policy, he should enforce it. Im for his open mindedness. and this is the US so im glad he spoke his mind. unfortunately now he wont be eligible for any contracts to rebuild that immigration policy. Sorry Pentagon says, "speak out against us and you will lose mightiily." Aint free speech grand.

clintl · 12-13-2003, 11:42 AM

The policy we have is not enforced because it's not enforceable. I think Ridge is just acknowledging that it's a failure without actually using those specific words.

Danny · 12-13-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by FargoFreez aka fof playa
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+1; 14.**

It only took you 3 days to post more than I have in two and a half years.

cody8200 · 12-13-2003, 12:36 PM

The fact is I would say well over 50 percent of the nation does not want immigration anymore. Even on this messageboard it seems pretty one sided towards that conclusion. I have no problem with legal immigration...but people who run across the border to get here upset me. Those people will most likely just bring the economy and the country down. They have no job experience, little education, rarely speak english, and when they get here they take jobs that some people say no American wants...that's just not true. In many places in Texas and Cali immigrants are hired for construction jobs because the owners are too cheap to hire people that are in Unions...these immigrants can make 10 bucks and hour while a union worker would make 20. I dont know about you but 10.00 an hour ain't bad at all...especially if you dont even have a ssn number. People that say we should just open up our border are ridiculous. Does they even remember september 11th? I'm pretty sure that most people hope that nothing like that ever happens again...so whats ther best way to prevent it??? Open borders? Fricking ridiculous.

sabotai · 12-13-2003, 02:27 PM

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In many places in Texas and Cali immigrants are hired for construction jobs because the owners are too cheap to hire people that are in Unions...these immigrants can make 10 bucks and hour while a union worker would make 20. I dont know about you but 10.00 an hour ain't bad at all...

No, it ain't bad at all. I make $10 an hour. Which brings up the question...why won't union workers just work for $10 an hour? Are the owners being cheap or are the unions being greedy (Or is it both)?

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As for 9/11...weren't the terrorists here legally? So what does open borders have to do with that?

Tekneek · 12-13-2003, 02:34 PM

From what I recall, several of them entered the country legally, but were here illegally at the time of the event. That means they overstayed their visas.

Owners are trying to make as much as they can while paying out the least. Labor wants to make as much as they can of the money they are helping the owner make. Nothing wrong with that negoation, as long as both are honest. Ownership /management has a longer track record of trying to stiff their employees than employees actually trying to stiff their employer.

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 12-13-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by booradley
Yeah, I believe we should just give away everything we raped and pillaged from Native Americans and than treat them, their heritage, and Mother Earth like one big fucking happy pinata.

booradley · 12-13-2003, 03:32 PM

Feh - we paid good beads for this land.

P.S. - Nice job attributing a fake quote to my name. I guess when you haven't got any sense you can always be a childish liar. That all you got?

FargoFreez aka fof playa · 12-13-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by booradley
Nice job attributing a fake quote to my name.

Why thank you, boo.

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Originally posted by booradley
That all you got?

Nope.

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Originally posted by booradley
I guess when you haven't got any balls you can't always mate with an English sire.

tucker342 · 12-13-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by sabotai
Your link done broke.

And I say we just give Southern California and Texas back to Mexico. We don't need them.

I don't really care about the illegal alien situation. 1) They do all the shit jobs that no american-born citizen wants to do, and they'll do it for 50 cents a day. Good for them. 2) I live in New Jersey, the only aliens I come in contact with are from Golditakia from the sector Bomni....but I've said too much already.

Oh, and Tom Ridge...aren't you the fucking head of the Department of Homeland Security? Isn't it your job to already know what the immigration policy is? Jackass.

Bush sure picks the winners, don't he?

What he said

ISiddiqui · 12-13-2003, 03:59 PM

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The fact is I would say well over 50 percent of the nation does not want immigration anymore.

Another reason why democracy doesn't work anymore

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12-12-2003, 08:20 PM	#3
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	sometimes it's better to just say nothing at all than to try and maintain that 14 post a day average. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

12-12-2003, 11:10 PM	#7
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Someone asked earlier this week what I thought of Ridge's remarks, my answer was simple -- I think Ridge may have lost his f'n mind. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-13-2003, 01:32 AM	#13
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Good for Ridge . This may be the best statement I've heard on the immigration issue. We really don't have a good immigration policy. We have nothing in place to deal with illegal immigrants. Of course these people come over because they see a better way of life and they will do those jobs us 'Americans' won't. They should get some legal status. Then again, I'm personally for open borders, so I think we could go further. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-13-2003, 10:28 AM	#17
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	this is a policy, he should enforce it. Im for his open mindedness. and this is the US so im glad he spoke his mind. unfortunately now he wont be eligible for any contracts to rebuild that immigration policy. Sorry Pentagon says, "speak out against us and you will lose mightiily." Aint free speech grand. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

12-13-2003, 12:36 PM	#20
cody8200 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000	The fact is I would say well over 50 percent of the nation does not want immigration anymore. Even on this messageboard it seems pretty one sided towards that conclusion. I have no problem with legal immigration...but people who run across the border to get here upset me. Those people will most likely just bring the economy and the country down. They have no job experience, little education, rarely speak english, and when they get here they take jobs that some people say no American wants...that's just not true. In many places in Texas and Cali immigrants are hired for construction jobs because the owners are too cheap to hire people that are in Unions...these immigrants can make 10 bucks and hour while a union worker would make 20. I dont know about you but 10.00 an hour ain't bad at all...especially if you dont even have a ssn number. People that say we should just open up our border are ridiculous. Does they even remember september 11th? I'm pretty sure that most people hope that nothing like that ever happens again...so whats ther best way to prevent it??? Open borders? Fricking ridiculous. Last edited by cody8200 : 12-13-2003 at 12:36 PM.

12-12-2003, 08:58 PM	#4
FargoFreez aka fof playa Banned Join Date: Dec 2003	. +1

12-12-2003, 08:58 PM	#5
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Your link done broke. And I say we just give Southern California and Texas back to Mexico. We don't need them. I don't really care about the illegal alien situation. 1) They do all the shit jobs that no american-born citizen wants to do, and they'll do it for 50 cents a day. Good for them. 2) I live in New Jersey, the only aliens I come in contact with are from Golditakia from the sector Bomni....but I've said too much already. Oh, and Tom Ridge...aren't you the fucking head of the Department of Homeland Security? Isn't it your job to already know what the immigration policy is? Jackass. Bush sure picks the winners, don't he?

12-12-2003, 11:34 PM	#8
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	I think Cam's right. How about we Native Americans shoot these freaking Englishmen instead of teaching them how to grow corn! Who's with me?!

12-12-2003, 11:37 PM	#9
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Nah, it's too late for that. Let's keep those fucking Irish and Europeans away from our borders!

12-12-2003, 11:38 PM	#10
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Ah, hell...foiled again. So, um...keep the brown guys out? Or maybe realize borders are a way for the weak to feel better about themselves, instead of participating in the larger family of humanity.

12-12-2003, 11:46 PM	#11
FargoFreez aka fof playa Banned Join Date: Dec 2003	^ \|\| +1; 14.**

12-13-2003, 10:18 AM	#16
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	I think we're getting crowded enough, lets end immigration all together

12-13-2003, 11:42 AM	#18
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	The policy we have is not enforced because it's not enforceable. I think Ridge is just acknowledging that it's a failure without actually using those specific words.

12-13-2003, 02:34 PM	#22
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	From what I recall, several of them entered the country legally, but were here illegally at the time of the event. That means they overstayed their visas. Owners are trying to make as much as they can while paying out the least. Labor wants to make as much as they can of the money they are helping the owner make. Nothing wrong with that negoation, as long as both are honest. Ownership /management has a longer track record of trying to stiff their employees than employees actually trying to stiff their employer. Last edited by Tekneek : 12-14-2003 at 04:51 PM.

12-13-2003, 03:32 PM	#24
booradley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001	Feh - we paid good beads for this land. P.S. - Nice job attributing a fake quote to my name. I guess when you haven't got any sense you can always be a childish liar. That all you got? __________________ I hate you evil!

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