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Old 10-11-2020, 08:41 PM   #1
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Political Compass Test 2020!

Given the conversation you guys are currently having in the Michael Brown thread, it brought back some FOFC memories. It is time to plot our political leanings again. Here are our previous threads

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I have a special request for those of you who took it both in 2004 and 2012 so that we can continue our historical study of your politicial leanings. We all want to know if JIMGA is still "further to the left than Obama!"

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Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:52 PM   #2
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Economic Left/Right: -3.13
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:55 PM   #3
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Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74

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Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:04 PM   #4
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:17 PM   #5
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:18 PM   #6
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Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97

Green box, upper right. Close to middle.
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:18 PM   #7
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:28 PM   #8
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:42 PM   #9
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:46 PM   #10
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I tried to go as "Strongly" as possible:

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

For reference this was me in 2004:

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79

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Old 10-11-2020, 09:50 PM   #11
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I'm pretty sure we've done this before.

I'm at -7.38/-4.26, which is basically about where Gandhi hangs out. That's interesting as I used to be less left but was more authoritarian.

Also, I'm like Ryan where I have some issues with some of these issues being real non-starters to me but I have to pick one or another. There's no "don't care/non-issue" option and I think that would severely influence the results. There's also some real bias as to how these results are calculated. How does one explain that religious "conservatism" and support of corporations is "right" leaning, for instance, considering they have very little in common in other political systems and are quite contradictory. It's very American based.

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I remember doing this one a while back. I tested middle of the road between conservative and liberal but 100% authoritarian. So I decided the best government is, well, ME!

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I swear- they've tweaked their compass quite a bit. I know a lot of people who are of the "I thought I was a lot more in this area last time I took it". It seems like it's shifted somewhat to the right and quite a bit more libertarian. People who I knew who got high in the authoritarian area are getting a lot closer to the middle.

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Old 10-11-2020, 09:52 PM   #12
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:02 PM   #13
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Reading through old threads is like a trip down FOFC memory lane of old posters.

Fun stuff. Though I think I've found a bit of a flaw in the methodology. If Cam was considered centrist, I'm not sure the center is the center...

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Economic Left/Right: 1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92

I'm right there with Tony Blair, and far to the left of George W. Bush, which is odd. I'd consider myself to be more conservative.

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Old 10-11-2020, 10:05 PM   #14
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:20 PM   #15
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Pretty big difference on the economic spectrum.
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:20 PM   #16
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Could've sworn I did this in 2012, but I guess I didn't post my results.
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:52 PM   #17
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Economic Left/Right: 7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

2012 (estimating by the description I posted)
Economic Left/Right: ~ 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: ~ -6.00

2020
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.49

At this rate I'll be a total socialist by 2028, but I'll never stop being socially libertarian
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Old 10-11-2020, 11:02 PM   #18
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Turns out I am more liberal and in favor anarchism than Gandhi.... I would not have guessed that.

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Old 10-11-2020, 11:10 PM   #19
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2012: Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

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Old 10-12-2020, 02:35 AM   #20
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Old 10-12-2020, 02:38 AM   #21
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Old 10-12-2020, 04:53 AM   #22
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Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.0

My 2004 results were not posted exactly
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I didn't note the exact numbers, but it plotted me about right IMO. Upper right quadrant, more Authoritarian than Economic Right. The plot was very close to that of Ariel Sharon.

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Economic Left/Right: 7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21

edit to add: And, no, I can't really identify what answer(s) would account for the change in my SL/A score. Could have been the difference in agree vs strongly agree answers (I felt like there were maybe fewer Strongly answers than I usually have?), no answersthat struck me as being anything that was a positional change though.
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Old 10-12-2020, 05:10 AM   #23
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:28 AM   #24
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:29 AM   #25
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edit to add: And, no, I can't really identify what answer(s) would account for the change in my SL/A score. Could have been the difference in agree vs strongly agree answers (I felt like there were maybe fewer Strongly answers than I usually have?), no answersthat struck me as being anything that was a positional change though.

I know I took the 2012 one but I guess I did not post the results. It felt like I had more Strongly Agree/Strongly Disagree answers this time around. There was a notable difference when I answered the questions with just an Agree or Disagree. I will probably take it again just to note which questions caused me to feel like I could go either one on.
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Old 10-12-2020, 08:20 AM   #26
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I remember doing this back on the Board in 2005.

My 2005 results:

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10

JiMGA's 2005 results:

Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.21

I remember how striking (though perhaps not too terribly surprising) it was that we were nearly polar opposites.
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Old 10-17-2020, 08:49 PM   #27
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Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

I've taken this test previously but don't remember where I ended up.
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Old 10-17-2020, 09:05 PM   #28
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I'm still leaning towards Jo

I don't know what Biden offers a lower white middle-class person like me. I know his running mate wants me to pay reparations for stuff I had I nothing to do with.
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Old 10-17-2020, 09:09 PM   #29
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Old 10-17-2020, 09:13 PM   #30
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I'm still leaning towards Jo

I don't know what Biden offers a lower white middle-class person like me. I know his running mate wants me to pay reparations for stuff I had I nothing to do with.

Have you really thought about how a lower middle-class person would fare in libertarian dream world? I can see why a Koch brother would love to see that world but I don't see it working out very well for us in the 99%.
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Old 10-17-2020, 09:20 PM   #31
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Have you really thought about how a lower middle-class person would fare in libertarian dream world?

Explain it to me,

I swear I'll listen with an open mind.
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Old 10-17-2020, 10:00 PM   #32
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t seems like every libertarian I've talked to has a different end goal in mind so I don't want to set up a straw man here. I've had a lot of conversations with libertarian co-workers and I shouldn't project that on to you here. They are both pretty much full An-Caps just to give you an idea.

Regarding your reparations comment, I did a little genealogy over this Covid period and I found out my family received 2 60 acres plots of land (in West Ohio) through the Homestead Act when they immigrated to the US. I certainly don't have a large inheritance in my future but I've benefitted from my family receiving 120 acres of good farm land rather than trying to work themselves up from sharecropping or something like that. Do you have anything like that in your family history?
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Old 10-18-2020, 04:00 AM   #33
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I'm still leaning towards Jo

I don't know what Biden offers a lower white middle-class person like me. I know his running mate wants me to pay reparations for stuff I had I nothing to do with.

The thing is, you may not have had anything to do with it, but you've benefited from the world created by that "stuff."

Wealth accretion is a generational thing, and what happens in one generation sets up the next, and the next, and the next.

Not always at a Rockefeller level, to be sure, but the wealth one generation is able to accrete gives their children a platform from which to push forward.

So now you have an entire race of people who were not only systematically denied that platform, but whose labor was used to help build that platform for others.

A couple centuries later, they were freed from bondage, but those who held them there continued to look for ways to reforge the chains. Sharecropping, segregation, redlining, Jim Crow laws, vagrancy laws selectively enforced because the Constitution permits slavery as "punishment for a crime."

A lot of that stuff is in living memory, too. And, yeah, maybe you had nothing to do with it. But all of it adds to that impact, and that impact isn't additive. It's geometric.

A black family finds themselves in a position to afford a home in 1950s Chicago, but redlining means that the banks won't loan them the money to buy a home in the "white" part of town. So they buy a home, but because they're in a "black" neighborhood, its appraised value is lower. Less equity for the parents to tap into at need, less value when it comes time to sell the home, less wealth generated as a platform to help their children aspire to a better life.

That's still a thing in a lot of ways, by the way. Take two neighborhoods, with comparable amenities, crime rates, all that jazz. Just that one of 'em is mostly or all white, and one is mostly or all black.

The homes in that majority black neighborhood are going to be assessed at about 77% of the value of the homes in the white neighborhood. No difference other than the color of the skin of the homeowner, but there's a huge difference in the property value as a result. I, as a white man, living in that white neighborhood and owning a home, might thus have an asset worth $200,000.

BlackSack, on the other hand, has an asset worth $154,000. And that's not just a weird accident. That is a direct result of generations of policies, spoken and unspoken, meant to keep Black Americans from equality.

When Kamala Harris, or anybody else, talks about reparations, it's easy to see it in the lens of "repayment for enslavement from 1619 (and, honestly, earlier than that) to 1865, but I had nothing to do with that so why should we?"

But the reparations being discussed aren't just for slavery. They're for the incarceration of Black men for the purposes of re-enslaving them, with all of the knock-on effects that's had on Black families in the last 150 years.

They're for generations of segregated education; 'Historically Black Colleges and Universities' (HBCUs) weren't a thing because Black people just wanted their own schools, you know? They weren't permitted to attend university with white kids in many cases until the middle of the 20th century, and even THAT wasn't an "oh, okay, come on in" thing.

Education level correlates with future income; if you can't get into college because you attended a (deliberately) substandard high school, or your college degree is devalued because a degree from an HBCU isn't viewed on the same level as an equivalent degree from a private school or a land grant university, that impacts not just you, but your children.

It's 4 am here, so I'm going to cut it short, but the bottom line is that reparations aren't about "sorry we enslaved your great-great-grandparents."

It's about making whole the damage done from 1865 to the present day, too.
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Old 10-18-2020, 03:28 PM   #34
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Economic Left/Right: -6.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Compared to previous times, I was more aware that some of these statements are pushing me to the other direction because of the vagueness, the choice of words for the statement. It made me pauze and almost flip a coin between agree and disagree. A more definite statement would have made it easier to pick a side.

Apparently I didn't share my score before, making it impossible to compare with.
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Old 10-19-2020, 10:11 PM   #35
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Old 10-19-2020, 10:17 PM   #36
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Have you really thought about how a lower middle-class person would fare in libertarian dream world?

I've never understood this argument. It seems to rely on a total lack of civic virtue. For most of my life I was poor by American standards - otherwhise known as rich beyond comprehension by global & historical ones - and quite conservative economically. Now I'm somewhat less poor, and no longer conservative ... but I digress. The immediate impact on me of policy was never relevant - what I thought was best for the country as a whole is what was top of mind, and still is. Without that, we fall into Marx's trap.

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Old 10-20-2020, 11:35 AM   #37
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It seems to rely on a total lack of civic virtue.

Have you seen what the people of this country are doing during a global pandemic? What civic virtue?
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:02 PM   #38
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That always has me shaking my head at Libertarians. Their stance seems to rely on the assumption that people are going to act with civility, and rationally for the general good w/o the government forcing them to. Which is just naive.
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:30 PM   #39
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That always has me shaking my head at Libertarians. Their stance seems to rely on the assumption that people are going to act with civility, and rationally for the general good w/o the government forcing them to. Which is just naive.

100%

It's just a massive lie they perpetuate to make themselves feel better about not needing to take or show any responsibility for others, or anything that effects others.

My first question is how does a libertarian pay for general infrastructure projects? Not even contemplating upkeep, but new development if everyone is supposed to be responsible for themselves? That's just one thing.

Libertarians, hard core ones, all in on Jefferson and Rand, who believe that no government is a good government, and where everyone is their own boss, work and self improvement is self fulfilling and they can to do as they please, in whatever form that takes, fail to understand the natural needs and demands of ordered society, and fails to take or allow the individual to assume any responsibility for the larger parts of it, beyond what the individual can manage themselves.
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Old 10-20-2020, 02:11 PM   #41
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Seems like a lot of people don't know that there's a difference between libertarians and anarcho-capitalists. Which I guess is understandable since a lot of ancaps call themselves 'libertarian' when they're not.

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Taxes. Libertarians are not opposed to all taxes and all government spending.
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Old 10-20-2020, 05:11 PM   #42
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Have you seen what the people of this country are doing during a global pandemic? What civic virtue?

I don't think the civic virtue lies soley on the side of people who agree with me about the pandemic ... or any, yes any other issue.

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Their stance seems to rely on the assumption that people are going to act with civility, and rationally for the general good w/o the government forcing them to. Which is just naive.

Nah, it just relies on the belief that government often causes more problems than it solves.
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Old 10-20-2020, 05:17 PM   #43
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:21 AM   #44
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Economic Left/Right: 6.38
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I think I'm only the second 'Right Winger'....
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