Puzzle/musing - "obligatory" rhymes in song lyrics

QuikSand · 07-26-2022, 11:13 AM

Okay... not exactly a puzzle, as I'm not sure there's a purely correct answer. But I have an answer in mind, I think it will be hard to beat, so the exercise here is finding your best answer to the setup here... we'll see if my entry remains king of the mountain.

You know it when you hear it. Words used at the end of line in a song (or poem) where there's a rhyme coming, and you more or less know what the follow-up rhyme is going to be in advance.

The lyric "...love you" is sort of on point. But in my view, very close to 100% of the rhymes with this entry will be split across two follow-ups... either "of you" or possibly "above you." So, that's the right general idea, but not the bullseye here.

What we want here are words/phrases that can and do occur in lyrics (or rhyming poetry) that, when placed in a spot where they require a rhyme, are universally matched together. The hither and yon of song lyrics, perhaps.

So...what pair of words, or possibly short phrases, are inextricably linked in rhyming, where it's basically a mortal lock that B will follow A, and A will follow B?

QuikSand · 07-26-2022, 11:15 AM

FWIW, my TBA entry benefits not only from being slightly complex in pronunciation, but also from a reasonable link in the substance/connotation of the two as well. Makes it super easy to connect them without veering way out of context to do so. I think they are probably 100% in this scoring.

Swaggs · 07-26-2022, 11:17 AM

“Start” and “heart” jumps to mind.

cuervo72 · 07-26-2022, 11:18 AM

Ooh, I will have to think about this one for a while (or just pay attention to lyrics while listening).

See/me seems like a possibility, but "be" could also get thrown in there as a wrench.

albionmoonlight · 07-26-2022, 11:22 AM

feel/real

QuikSand · 07-26-2022, 11:24 AM

I'll volunteer that the quantity versus exclusivity debate will come into play here.

There might only be one time that Messerschmidt and battleship were forced into a rhyming couplet, so they might score as a perfect 1/1 here. That seems weaker than, say, "heart" and "start" even if they only get a 82% out of 460,000 uses because of your occasional "apart" or whatnot... right?

albionmoonlight · 07-26-2022, 11:25 AM

Does the lyric have to be reasonably common?

There's probably instances where A follows B 100% of the time, but A and B pretty much never occur (here I am thinking of some Wu Tang Clan lyrics).

albionmoonlight · 07-26-2022, 11:26 AM

dola--Q anticipated my question

albionmoonlight · 07-26-2022, 11:28 AM

Night/Right and Nighttime/Right Time have to be up there.

QuikSand · 07-26-2022, 11:28 AM

So "trouble" and "double" make a strong pairing... including some pretty noteworthy uses

I reckon there is the occasional appearance of "bubble" or "rubble" or whatever that keeps it from being sterling, but... that would score pretty highly I'd think

...this popped up for me soon after I had posted the puzzle thread, as I looked at a player in a FOF league named McFerrin, btw

QuikSand · 07-26-2022, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Nighttime/Right Time have to be up there.

strong

albionmoonlight · 07-26-2022, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Night/Right and Nighttime/Right Time have to be up there.

Hmmm . . . "fight" probably hurts this one a bit

Suicane75 · 07-26-2022, 11:44 AM

Miss/Kiss

stevew · 07-26-2022, 11:59 AM

Fire and Mariah get used a lot in rap songs

CrimsonFox · 07-26-2022, 12:22 PM

orange / strange

CrimsonFox · 07-26-2022, 12:33 PM

quantum / bottom

BYU 14 · 07-26-2022, 01:09 PM

Heart/Start
Goodbye/Lie
Know or show/Ago

Qwikshot · 07-26-2022, 01:21 PM

Mad/glad/sad/bad

Girl/world

You/too

Say/today

Me/be

Mine/time

Scared/cared

Ksyrup · 07-26-2022, 01:48 PM

Fly/high/sky

CrimsonFox · 07-26-2022, 03:34 PM

fat/cat

Toddzilla · 07-26-2022, 03:52 PM

In hip-hop, the word "trigger" is universally followed by a line ending in a well-known pejorative term.

Toddzilla · 07-26-2022, 03:54 PM

dola - "figured" also behaves the same way

cuervo72 · 07-26-2022, 05:21 PM

Feet and beat have to be paired now and then, right?

CrimsonFox · 07-26-2022, 11:32 PM

dola/cola

Umbrella · 07-27-2022, 01:58 PM

In the early days of hip-hop, it seemed like every song rhymed boast with toast.

albionmoonlight · 07-27-2022, 03:44 PM

So it has been a few days . . . what was the combo that inspired this question, Q?

QuikSand · 07-27-2022, 03:45 PM

college
knowledge

albionmoonlight · 07-27-2022, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

college
knowledge

Good one

bhlloy · 07-27-2022, 04:05 PM

Touch and much?

CraigSca · 07-27-2022, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

college
knowledge

"Since kindergarten I applied the knowledge and after 12th grade I went straight to college"?

cartman · 07-27-2022, 07:38 PM

red
instead

white
tonight

stevew · 07-27-2022, 08:43 PM

Cola war
Anymore

QuikSand · 07-28-2022, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Xxxx xxx
Xxxxxxx

Blocked. Reported.

CrimsonFox · 07-29-2022, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Cola war
Anymore

lmao

CrimsonFox · 07-29-2022, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Blocked. Reported.

he didn't start it. block billy instead

CrimsonFox · 07-29-2022, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

college
knowledge

But when she's on her back
She had the knowledge
To get her into college

sterlingice · 07-29-2022, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

he didn't start it. block billy instead

I guess QS couldn't take it anymore.

SI

Toddzilla · 07-29-2022, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

college
knowledge

This, imo, doesn't fit. The words "college" and "knowledge" aren't uncommon, but the rhyme is unique:

conscious/college (Kanye West, All Fall Down)
college/mileage (Kevin Gates, Really Really)
college/tropics (TI, Whatever You Like)
college/homage (Young Jeezy, Go Crazy)
college/dollars (Jay-Z, Bring It On)
Scottish/college(Ice Cube, Behind Gates)

to name a few.

Now, I'm not saying any of these are particularly good or inspired, nor are they as famous as your example, but unless you have a *very* limited access to hip-hop, *usually* absolutely does not apply.

Maple Leafs · 07-30-2022, 10:33 AM

If somebody's heart is described as tender, you can bet it's going in a blender.

Ksyrup · 07-30-2022, 03:34 PM

Together/forever

Ksyrup · 07-30-2022, 03:35 PM

Also, because I had to listen to this shit constantly while driving Caitlin to softball tournaments years ago...

Kodak and Kodak

cuervo72 · 07-30-2022, 04:42 PM

Honestly, I though of offering up "want" and "restaurant' but backed off.

CrimsonFox · 07-30-2022, 11:32 PM

down/around
cry/goodbye
hurt you/desert you

Butter · 09-06-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Girl/world

I don't know that we settled anything here, but this is a really strong entry that has got to be close to the top

QuikSand · 10-08-2022, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

If somebody's heart is described as tender, you can bet it's going in a blender.

I have both Jackson Browne and Warren Zevon on the line, to contest this mandatory rhyme pairing

(just heard the Pretender on the radio, thought about this)

CrimsonFox · 10-08-2022, 10:31 PM

COW/NOW!

sterlingice · 10-09-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

COW/NOW!

How now, brown one?

SI

07-26-2022, 11:17 AM	#3
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	“Start” and “heart” jumps to mind. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-26-2022, 11:18 AM	#4
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Ooh, I will have to think about this one for a while (or just pay attention to lyrics while listening). See/me seems like a possibility, but "be" could also get thrown in there as a wrench. __________________ null Last edited by cuervo72 : 07-26-2022 at 11:19 AM. Reason: ok, didn't see the "complex" stipulation

07-26-2022, 11:28 AM	#9
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Night/Right and Nighttime/Right Time have to be up there. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 07-26-2022 at 11:28 AM.

07-26-2022, 01:21 PM	#18
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Mad/glad/sad/bad Girl/world You/too Say/today Me/be Mine/time Scared/cared __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

07-26-2022, 01:48 PM	#19
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Fly/high/sky __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 07-26-2022 at 05:37 PM.

07-26-2022, 11:15 AM	#2
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	FWIW, my TBA entry benefits not only from being slightly complex in pronunciation, but also from a reasonable link in the substance/connotation of the two as well. Makes it super easy to connect them without veering way out of context to do so. I think they are probably 100% in this scoring.

07-26-2022, 11:22 AM	#5
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	feel/real

07-26-2022, 11:24 AM	#6
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I'll volunteer that the quantity versus exclusivity debate will come into play here. There might only be one time that Messerschmidt and battleship were forced into a rhyming couplet, so they might score as a perfect 1/1 here. That seems weaker than, say, "heart" and "start" even if they only get a 82% out of 460,000 uses because of your occasional "apart" or whatnot... right?

07-26-2022, 11:25 AM	#7
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Does the lyric have to be reasonably common? There's probably instances where A follows B 100% of the time, but A and B pretty much never occur (here I am thinking of some Wu Tang Clan lyrics).

07-26-2022, 11:26 AM	#8
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	dola--Q anticipated my question

07-26-2022, 11:44 AM	#13
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Miss/Kiss

07-26-2022, 11:59 AM	#14
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Fire and Mariah get used a lot in rap songs

07-26-2022, 12:22 PM	#15
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	orange / strange

07-26-2022, 12:33 PM	#16
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	quantum / bottom

07-26-2022, 01:09 PM	#17
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Heart/Start Goodbye/Lie Know or show/Ago

07-26-2022, 03:34 PM	#20
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	fat/cat

07-26-2022, 03:52 PM	#21
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	In hip-hop, the word "trigger" is universally followed by a line ending in a well-known pejorative term.

07-26-2022, 03:54 PM	#22
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	dola - "figured" also behaves the same way

07-26-2022, 05:21 PM	#23
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Feet and beat have to be paired now and then, right? __________________ null

07-26-2022, 11:32 PM	#24
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	dola/cola

07-27-2022, 01:58 PM	#25
Umbrella High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Back in the desert	In the early days of hip-hop, it seemed like every song rhymed boast with toast.

07-27-2022, 03:44 PM	#26
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	So it has been a few days . . . what was the combo that inspired this question, Q?

07-27-2022, 03:45 PM	#27
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	college knowledge

07-27-2022, 04:05 PM	#29
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Touch and much?

07-27-2022, 07:38 PM	#31
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	red instead white tonight __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

07-27-2022, 08:43 PM	#32
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Cola war Anymore

07-30-2022, 10:33 AM	#39
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	If somebody's heart is described as tender, you can bet it's going in a blender. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

07-30-2022, 03:34 PM	#40
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Together/forever __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-30-2022, 03:35 PM	#41
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Also, because I had to listen to this shit constantly while driving Caitlin to softball tournaments years ago... Kodak and Kodak __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

07-30-2022, 04:42 PM	#42
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Honestly, I though of offering up "want" and "restaurant' but backed off. __________________ null

07-30-2022, 11:32 PM	#43
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	down/around cry/goodbye hurt you/desert you Last edited by CrimsonFox : 07-30-2022 at 11:32 PM.

10-08-2022, 10:31 PM	#46
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	COW/NOW!

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