What will the outcome be of the mid terms?

[Ksyrup]

Newsmax has called it for Warnock, so...

[Lathum]

NBC just called it for Warnock.

Joe Manchin can now eat a dick

[Edward64]

CNN has Warnock as projected winner.

[Ksyrup]

CNN as well.

[CrimsonFox]

The only counties that are still in the 80% votes in categories are the juse ones that vote blue

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

NBC just called it for Warnock.

Joe Manchin can now eat a dick

with sauce

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

with sauce

Or he can just lick some ketchup off of the walls

[Ksyrup]

I saw a tweet that said, I can't wait to hear Herschel's concussion speech.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Or he can just lick some ketchup off of the walls

or ksyrup and smother him in his sexy syrup

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

NBC just called it for Warnock.

Joe Manchin can now eat a dick

Yep, Manchin is tonight's biggest loser.

[Edward64]

Congrats to Warnock.

Herschel, you still had surprising support (currently) at 49.3%. Come back and live in GA, publicly make amends with your kids & their mommas, learn the issues vs vampires/werewolves, and I do think you'll have a shot at the next one. But I'm going guess that you won't/can't and the GA GOP party won't support you next time.

Maybe run in Texas?

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Congrats to Warnock.

Herschel, you still had surprising support (currently) at 49.3%. Come back and live in GA, publicly make amends with your kids & their mommas, learn the issues vs vampires/werewolves, and I do think you'll have a shot at the next one. But I'm going guess that you won't/can't and the GA GOP party won't support you next time.

Maybe run in Texas?

Edit: Removing the Cruz joke in light of his daughter's suicide attempt

[Thomkal]

Man am I glad I don't have to say Senator Walker for the next 6 years

[CrimsonFox]

warnock's term is 6 years?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Or he can just lick some ketchup off of the walls

i love this joke SO much!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

warnock's term is 6 years?

I thought so. It isn't?

[Thomkal]

Yep he and Mark Kelly were special elections which are 2 year terms, and now they are 6.

[CrimsonFox]

[Thomkal]

heh

[Edward64]

I did a cursory google but did not find anyone else other than AZ Lake & Hamadeh not conceding their mid-term loss. Anyone else?

Opinion: Arizonans aren't buying what Kari Lake is peddling | CNN

Hobbs defeated Lake by 17,117 votes, or a 0.6% difference. Kris Mayes, the Democratic candidate for attorney general, edged out Republican Abe Hamadeh by a mere 511 votes, triggering an automatic recount.
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Still, neither Lake nor Hamadeh have conceded, a fact left unmentioned in the certification ceremony.

[Ksyrup]

Laxalt conceded but with the recent Twitter files thing, is back to throwing out there that his election probably wasn't on the up and up.

So far, the post-mortem that I've seen on (or through) Twitter from Trumpers is that the establishment GOP led by McConnell and Never Trumpers joined forces with Dems to beat Walker. I mean, they have demonstrated that they are going to go down swinging, so this is not exactly a surprise. This whole thing feels like watching a bad, real-life psychology experiment. I could only get about a half-dozen comments deep into some of the Twitter threads before I felt my mental health start top nose-dive at the drivel some of these people post.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Fun fact: six years from now Stetson Bennett will be old enough to run for a Senate seat.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Fun fact: six years from now Stetson Bennett will be old enough to run for a Senate seat.

Wonder if he is a Democrat or Republican? If he really wants to & doesn't do anything stupid, he has a good shot.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Laxalt conceded but with the recent Twitter files thing, is back to throwing out there that his election probably wasn't on the up and up.

So far, the post-mortem that I've seen on (or through) Twitter from Trumpers is that the establishment GOP led by McConnell and Never Trumpers joined forces with Dems to beat Walker. I mean, they have demonstrated that they are going to go down swinging, so this is not exactly a surprise. This whole thing feels like watching a bad, real-life psychology experiment. I could only get about a half-dozen comments deep into some of the Twitter threads before I felt my mental health start top nose-dive at the drivel some of these people post.

I think election denial has crested.

Even with Trump running and (fair chance) losing, I doubt it'll get back to that 2020 craziness level. Everyone is too aware.

I will say for 2024, all the states Secretary of States better make sure they are all buttoned up and have full transparency.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I think election denial has crested.

Even with Trump running and (fair chance) losing, I doubt it'll get back to that 2020 craziness level. Everyone is too aware.

I will say for 2024, all the states Secretary of States better make sure they are all buttoned up and have full transparency.

Its political usefulness has waned so it's time to move onto grooming kids or whatever the next windmill is. Sure, there were and will always be some true believers. And there still will be grifters and opportunists - we'll be hearing for decades about stolen elections because everyone loves the greatest hits. But it's just another tool in the fascism toolbox and a particularly dangerous one.

SI

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So far, the post-mortem that I've seen on (or through) Twitter from Trumpers is that the establishment GOP led by McConnell and Never Trumpers joined forces with Dems to beat Walker.

Did they say anything about the reverse vampires, Rand corporation or saucer people?

[Edward64]

Nothing wrong with believing in saucer people

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Fun fact: six years from now Stetson Bennett will be old enough to run for a Senate seat.

That is hilarious.

[Edward64]

Have been thinking about the new (I think) paradigm shift.

We've been saying "it's about the economy stupid" since the Bill Clinton days. I've taken this to mean how well or not the economy is doing is the primary driver of overall election results.

But it looks as if the mid-terms has shown that it's not all about the economy or, at least, it's no longer "the" driving force.

I do wonder if this will hold true for Presidential elections.

[Brian Swartz]

I think the economy is still a major driver, and what voters said were important issues bears that out. But I think that applies more in 'normal' political times. I.e. times when one party isn't as completely and obviously off the deep end as Republicans currently are. They found a way to make enough voters fear what they are doing even more than they fear inflation problems etc. If you had Bush-style 'country club' Republicans running, there's little question in my mind it would have been a GOP wave.

Always possible that it's just 'no the economy isn't that important anymore', but I don't think you can look at what's going on in the country and view it through a normal lens when you have significant elements in good standing of a party openly opposing our system of government .

[flere-imsaho]

"It's the economy, stupid" is not about how well or not the economy is doing, it's about how economically secure/prosperous (or not) people feel. That's why it worked - Bill Clinton got people to think that he knew how they felt when the economy wasn't working for them.

It's pretty amazing that the GOP have managed to engineer several culture war issues that have overshadowed this basic concern in the electorate, but I don't think for a minute that it won't continue to be a major influence in elections going forward.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I think the economy is still a major driver, and what voters said were important issues bears that out. But I think that applies more in 'normal' political times. I.e. times when one party isn't as completely and obviously off the deep end as Republicans currently are. They found a way to make enough voters fear what they are doing even more than they fear inflation problems etc. If you had Bush-style 'country club' Republicans running, there's little question in my mind it would have been a GOP wave.

Always possible that it's just 'no the economy isn't that important anymore', but I don't think you can look at what's going on in the country and view it through a normal lens when you have significant elements in good standing of a party openly opposing our system of government .

Like so much, this is all about Trump. If he doesn't stick his nose into this, the GOP gets a wave like you said. If he doesn't hand pick a number of candidates, we aren't debating Dr. Oz's residency, Kari Lake's voluminous crazy crap, or werewolves vs vampires instead of economy, economy, economy. Plus, the GOP can try to mute some of the litter boxes in schools type crap. If Jan 6 doesn't happen, the Dems are more frustrated that stuff didn't get done instead of energized because it's the first time in most people's lifetimes here that it feels like democracy in this country sits on a knife's edge.

Also, there's some weirdness about this economy. Prices and inflation are high. But employment is still also running high, even as wages can't catch up. Things seem more affordable when they're a few dollars out of reach versus when you're bringing in 0.

SI

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Like so much, this is all about Trump. If he doesn't stick his nose into this, the GOP gets a wave like you said. If he doesn't hand pick a number of candidates, we aren't debating Dr. Oz's residency, Kari Lake's voluminous crazy crap, or werewolves vs vampires instead of economy, economy, economy. Plus, the GOP can try to mute some of the litter boxes in schools type crap. If Jan 6 doesn't happen, the Dems are more frustrated that stuff didn't get done instead of energized because it's the first time in most people's lifetimes here that it feels like democracy in this country sits on a knife's edge.

Also, there's some weirdness about this economy. Prices and inflation are high. But employment is still also running high, even as wages can't catch up. Things seem more affordable when they're a few dollars out of reach versus when you're bringing in 0.

SI

The only way we were going to see that red wave was if the GOP just sat back and did nothing, which goes against their playbook of engagement based on divisiveness. Nearly all of their major policy viewpoints are unpopular and every time they're in the news pushing policy it's a reminder to the public about Roe, gay marriage, student debt, ect and they've done nothing to try to get the stink of Jan 6 off their party for fear of turning away a portion of their base.

Complaining about the economy is only going to go so far when you're not offering a single solution and, as you said, unemployment isn't the issue here.

This should be a wake up call to the GOP that they need to rethink policy, stop trying to sell everyone on Biden being senile and incompetent, and move on from Trump. The only one they seem to even be considering is dumping Trump, though, and it's like everyone is dipping their toe in water waiting for someone else to have the balls to dive straight in.

[Ksyrup]

The big issue they have is that I doubt they'll all agree on one candidate as THE one, and if you have another dozen candidates going up against Trump in winner-takes-all primaries where Trump could easily win with 25%, then they're stuck with him again - plus a bunch of people who consider themselves future candidates are now screwed for daring to go against Trump.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The big issue they have is that I doubt they'll all agree on one candidate as THE one, and if you have another dozen candidates going up against Trump in winner-takes-all primaries where Trump could easily win with 25%, then they're stuck with him again - plus a bunch of people who consider themselves future candidates are now screwed for daring to go against Trump.

And that absolutely does feel like it is were things are going. The only thing that could possibly derail it is an indictment and/or conviction. The way they have drug their feet on that says that isn't likely to happen before the next election. I also don't know if Trump might still win the Republican nomination from jail. Heck, it might win him more votes.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I think the economy is still a major driver, and what voters said were important issues bears that out. But I think that applies more in 'normal' political times. I.e. times when one party isn't as completely and obviously off the deep end as Republicans currently are. They found a way to make enough voters fear what they are doing even more than they fear inflation problems etc. If you had Bush-style 'country club' Republicans running, there's little question in my mind it would have been a GOP wave.

Always possible that it's just 'no the economy isn't that important anymore', but I don't think you can look at what's going on in the country and view it through a normal lens when you have significant elements in good standing of a party openly opposing our system of government .

Okay, I'll take it as a one-off in a weird time in our history.

[Flasch186]

Serious question:

Why didn’t the Jan 6 Committee just give everything to a newly created senate committee to keep the investigation going? (Applicable to all investigations)


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[Edward64]

538 survey on top priority. See below link with graphic about 1/3 down.

We Asked Americans To Explain Their 2022 Votes — And How They’re Thinking About 2024 | FiveThirtyEight

The top 3 issues (can only pick one) are below but were different priorities if you were Dem, Rep or Independent. For Reps, #1 was Inflation. For Dems, #1 was extremism.

1. Inflation or increasing costs
2. Political extremism or polarization
3. Abortion

Some good news.

In fact, 69 percent of Americans agreed that they trusted the results of the midterms, compared with only 16 percent who disagreed. Democrats were more likely to say they trusted the results (88 percent), but a healthy majority of Republicans (65 percent) said the same — a change from what we saw two years ago.

Miscellaneous notes:

Regarding other issues, Americans’ desires largely rested on which party they belonged to. Unsurprisingly, Democrats were far more likely to prioritize enshrining in federal law the right to an abortion, while Republicans were much more inclined to prefer Congress focus on stopping immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border.

On fiscal issues, Democrats much preferred Congress raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, whereas Republicans wanted cuts to federal spending.

When asked if they supported up to $10,000 in student loan forgiveness for Americans making under $125,000, 4 in 5 Democrats supported the proposal, compared with only 1 in 5 Republicans.

Be interesting to know what they think Biden did that is an impeachable offense. I'm thinking "impeachment" will be normal going forward with whoever has the House.

Conversely, 3 in 5 Republicans supported impeaching Biden, which only 1 in 20 Democrats backed.

Not sure I believe this but good early sign I guess.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis led with 42 percent among these respondents, followed by Trump with 24 percent and former Vice President Mike Pence with 5 percent.9 No other candidate cleared 5 percent, and 15 percent said they didn’t know who they would support.

[Ksyrup]

Re impeachment, the GOP has to impeach as many Biden admin people as possible to put them on level terms as far as Trump goes, PLUS one or two more to show that the Dems are so much worse than the GOP. It serves to normalize it (and excuse Trump) so that there's never a legitimate impeachment going forward.

[Edward64]

Unfortunately, probably true.

My guess is the only real shot at impeachment is if the GOP finds some serious Biden culpability in the upcoming Hunter investigations.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Edward64

In fact, 69 percent of Americans agreed that they trusted the results of the midterms, compared with only 16 percent who disagreed. Democrats were more likely to say they trusted the results (88 percent), but a healthy majority of Republicans (65 percent) said the same — a change from what we saw two years ago.

That is indeed good news. If Trump is emphatically defeated, preferably in the primary, and it is similarly accepted then the Big Lie can die. I think that's a first step towards a sane Republican Party. It's also one of those weird questions where we don't really to my knowledge have a long several decades of data on how people's views have changed, because it wasn't even a question that seriously needed to be asked until recent elections.