TCY - girlfriends

MikeVick7 · 12-29-2003, 03:23 PM

Has anyone ever done a study on how of an effect not giving extra relaxation time for players with girlfriends has on their performance and/or development?

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MikeVick7 · 12-31-2003, 01:52 PM

Ryche · 12-31-2003, 02:44 PM

Might not be in line with your question, but I have a fullback who has 6 intelligence and 0 aspiration, but got through last year with all B's and C's. His relaxation was set a 22.

He just lost his girlfriend during the offseason. His happiness has plunged from 73 to 19. Without the girlfriend, I reduced his relaxation time and put him in the study hall more. Should be interesting to see the result.

the_meanstrosity · 12-31-2003, 02:47 PM

there were two schools of thought.

One was the happier your players were, the more they would improve. So you would use either a 26 or 27 for players with girlfriends and a 19 for players without girlfriends.

Others have sabotaged relationships early (freshman or sophomore year) for their star players in hopes of improving them more over the next two to three seasons.

I've never done research, but I normally go with the happiness factor. My guys with girlfriends get a 26 while the guys without get a 19.

MikeVick7 · 12-31-2003, 03:10 PM

Yeah I was just wondering how much them not being happy would not make them improve or perform well on the field. It was widely known to give the players with girlfriends more relaxation time...but I wondered if anyone had bucked this trend and made it work for them.

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General Mike · 12-31-2003, 03:17 PM

I buck the trend for the most part. Happy players who are dumb as bricks get alot of time in the study hall/ not so much free time. Players who are smart, get more free time. Girlfriends? who cares.

I've never really gotten far enough into a career to see how well its working tho.

Mike

korme · 12-31-2003, 05:44 PM

Holy crap, we have a MikeVick7 and a MikeVic on board.

Sloan · 12-31-2003, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by General Mike
Girlfriends? who cares.

My philosophy as well. I don't pay attention to girlfriends or happiness at all. It doesn't seem to be that important to me.

Cringer · 12-31-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sloan
My philosophy as well. I don't pay attention to girlfriends or happiness at all. It doesn't seem to be that important to me.

But do you win that way?

nilodor · 12-31-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Cringer
But do you win that way?

I have had no problem winning having everyone with the same happiness. In the career I just finished with Minnesota I went 248-30 with 6 national championships in 17 playoff apperances. This was with keeping happiness at 22 for all players.

Sloan · 12-31-2003, 06:33 PM

I don't seem to have any problem winning. Dumb players get relaxation of 19 and smart ones get 23. After a few years I usually don't have too many dumb players so it isn't really an issue.

the_meanstrosity · 12-31-2003, 07:03 PM

Sloan and Nilodor,

Do you have any "failed relationships" in the game?

Sloan · 12-31-2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by the_meanstrosity
Sloan and Nilodor,

Do you have any "failed relationships" in the game?

After my first season my inbox is filled with messages asking for more free time or about broken relationships. I get less and less of them as time goes on. My recruits usually don't have a girlfriend when they come into school, and I don't give them time to find one.

the_meanstrosity · 12-31-2003, 07:12 PM

Sloan,
NICE!!! lol. I'm going to give that a try and see how it works. So 19 for less academic students and 22 for academic students?

Sloan · 12-31-2003, 07:18 PM

I usually use the values listed on this website as a guide: http://www.geocities.com/gemmell78/index.htm

Leonidas · 12-31-2003, 09:18 PM

On an individual basis, yeah the happy factor plummets when dumping GFs. As individuals I don't think it's a big deal. But if you have a team full of umhappy guys your team will play way below expectations. Personally, I like to keep a good balance with most guys around 40-50 on the happiness scale.

General Mike · 12-31-2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Cringer
But do you win that way?

I've gone 21-3 (9-3 and 12-0) the last 2 seasons as I've created a talent pipeline into Rutgers. I have more of a problem with the questionable academic recruits staying eligible and people assaulting females in their dorm rooms or stealing from the school book store than I have with people complaining about free time, which I have quite a few of. The fact that I don't always use my coaching blocks in the best way does affect me.

kingnebwsu · 01-07-2004, 04:07 PM

So what is the effect of relaxation? Does this improve my players' ability on the field? Do they develop faster with a higher happiness? I've TCY'ed for 46 seasons and I never really figured out what it does. I never paid attention to it til this season (where my team won its first title in 12 years...coincidence???).

My guys are always pissed off and their happiness is way down. My success recently has been lacking, so I'm gonna try making players happy more. This season (2046) we blew everyone out, averaging like 47 PPG and not really having any close games on the way to the title. Also had the #1 recruiting class, which I only do every couple of years. It was an excellent season in what I was thinking would be a "rebuilding" year with a frosh QB. Oh well, I'll see what happens in the upcoming years.

Vince · 01-07-2004, 04:18 PM

I believe DevaneyFan discovered that Relaxation was tied (along with Playing Time) into a player's Happiness.

He wasn't able to prove it, but generally, he found that players with higher happiness performed better, and I have found the same to be true in my careers.

MikeVick7 · 01-07-2004, 05:13 PM

Yes after reading the first few posts...I decided to make everyone's relaxation time the same (19) regardless of having a g/f or not. Well in the 2nd year of this...when the happiness levels really started to take effect...I've noticed a definite decrease in the level of play for my Nebraska squad. Just ask me how I felt after losing to a halfway decent...yet still inferior Army squad at home. Well I guess I just set my dynasty back about two years...ha!

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Buzzbee · 01-07-2004, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by MikeVick7
Yes after reading the first few posts...I decided to make everyone's relaxation time the same (19) regardless of having a g/f or not. Well in the 2nd year of this...when the happiness levels really started to take effect...I've noticed a definite decrease in the level of play for my Nebraska squad. Just ask me how I felt after losing to a halfway decent...yet still inferior Army squad at home. Well I guess I just set my dynasty back about two years...ha!

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Short term it may affect you negatively, but long term I believe you will reap rewards. Think about it. If you set Rel at 19 for every incoming freshman, those with GF's will soon lose them. Those that don't have them won't have the time to get them. Those that have GF's coming in won't have a huge impact because they will likely be redshirted, or won't get much playing time (unless they are a star, or unless you are thin at their position). Therefore, the best time to INTENTIONALLY cause them to lose their GF is the first year.

You can then take those extra 5 points (over 3 or 4 years it adds up) and allocate them to Weights, Study Hall or Playbook Study. This will do MORE for their development than the negative effect of a breakup, in my opinion, of course.

MikeVick7 · 01-07-2004, 07:14 PM

Good points Buzzbee...I guess I would love to see some studies on this. All I know is that my dynasty is going down in flames and I need to make a choice now as to what direction to go in. I think I'm gonna go back in and allot time for g/f's for the time being...then see what other ideas people come up with.

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12-31-2003, 01:52 PM	#2
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	bump __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

12-31-2003, 02:44 PM	#3
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	Might not be in line with your question, but I have a fullback who has 6 intelligence and 0 aspiration, but got through last year with all B's and C's. His relaxation was set a 22. He just lost his girlfriend during the offseason. His happiness has plunged from 73 to 19. Without the girlfriend, I reduced his relaxation time and put him in the study hall more. Should be interesting to see the result. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

12-31-2003, 02:47 PM	#4
the_meanstrosity College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002	Last I read... there were two schools of thought. One was the happier your players were, the more they would improve. So you would use either a 26 or 27 for players with girlfriends and a 19 for players without girlfriends. Others have sabotaged relationships early (freshman or sophomore year) for their star players in hopes of improving them more over the next two to three seasons. I've never done research, but I normally go with the happiness factor. My guys with girlfriends get a 26 while the guys without get a 19.

12-31-2003, 03:10 PM	#5
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	Yeah I was just wondering how much them not being happy would not make them improve or perform well on the field. It was widely known to give the players with girlfriends more relaxation time...but I wondered if anyone had bucked this trend and made it work for them. #7 __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

12-31-2003, 09:18 PM	#16
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	On an individual basis, yeah the happy factor plummets when dumping GFs. As individuals I don't think it's a big deal. But if you have a team full of umhappy guys your team will play way below expectations. Personally, I like to keep a good balance with most guys around 40-50 on the happiness scale. __________________ Molon labe

12-31-2003, 03:17 PM	#6
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	I buck the trend for the most part. Happy players who are dumb as bricks get alot of time in the study hall/ not so much free time. Players who are smart, get more free time. Girlfriends? who cares. I've never really gotten far enough into a career to see how well its working tho. Mike

12-31-2003, 05:44 PM	#7
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Holy crap, we have a MikeVick7 and a MikeVic on board.

12-31-2003, 06:33 PM	#11
Sloan High School JV Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Michigan	I don't seem to have any problem winning. Dumb players get relaxation of 19 and smart ones get 23. After a few years I usually don't have too many dumb players so it isn't really an issue.

12-31-2003, 07:03 PM	#12
the_meanstrosity College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002	Sloan and Nilodor, Do you have any "failed relationships" in the game?

12-31-2003, 07:12 PM	#14
the_meanstrosity College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002	Sloan, NICE!!! lol. I'm going to give that a try and see how it works. So 19 for less academic students and 22 for academic students?

12-31-2003, 07:18 PM	#15
Sloan High School JV Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Michigan	I usually use the values listed on this website as a guide: http://www.geocities.com/gemmell78/index.htm

01-07-2004, 04:07 PM	#18
kingnebwsu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ohio	So what is the effect of relaxation? Does this improve my players' ability on the field? Do they develop faster with a higher happiness? I've TCY'ed for 46 seasons and I never really figured out what it does. I never paid attention to it til this season (where my team won its first title in 12 years...coincidence???). My guys are always pissed off and their happiness is way down. My success recently has been lacking, so I'm gonna try making players happy more. This season (2046) we blew everyone out, averaging like 47 PPG and not really having any close games on the way to the title. Also had the #1 recruiting class, which I only do every couple of years. It was an excellent season in what I was thinking would be a "rebuilding" year with a frosh QB. Oh well, I'll see what happens in the upcoming years.

01-07-2004, 04:18 PM	#19
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	I believe DevaneyFan discovered that Relaxation was tied (along with Playing Time) into a player's Happiness. He wasn't able to prove it, but generally, he found that players with higher happiness performed better, and I have found the same to be true in my careers. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

01-07-2004, 05:13 PM	#20
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	Yes after reading the first few posts...I decided to make everyone's relaxation time the same (19) regardless of having a g/f or not. Well in the 2nd year of this...when the happiness levels really started to take effect...I've noticed a definite decrease in the level of play for my Nebraska squad. Just ask me how I felt after losing to a halfway decent...yet still inferior Army squad at home. Well I guess I just set my dynasty back about two years...ha! #7 __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

01-07-2004, 07:14 PM	#22
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	Good points Buzzbee...I guess I would love to see some studies on this. All I know is that my dynasty is going down in flames and I need to make a choice now as to what direction to go in. I think I'm gonna go back in and allot time for g/f's for the time being...then see what other ideas people come up with. #7 __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

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