FOFC GroupThink 2024: We take over the (beloved) Arizona Cardinals

[QuikSand]

PFF guided take-aways:

QB - we know where we are here, Murray is expensive but effective, Ridder is worth a stab as a #w but has not impressed

HB - running backs don't matter, Conner remains a very efficient player, backups are fine, buzz on rookie Benson has been mid

WR/TE - we're counting on MHJr to be an impact #1 right away, Michael Wilson, Zay Jones, and Greg Dortsch have completely different skill sets to complement him -- let's think of this sorta like we're aspirationally trying to build up the Lions pass catchers group. Not an awful plan. I feel like we're one quality guy short, but I don't see any easy path to fix that, lots of teams are.

[QuikSand]

OL - potential major weak spot, we really need P Johnson to develop into a high end #1 OT for this to come together at all, I felt like an early pick here made sense, they didn't, I get it... I guess the "plan" this year is Jonah Williams gives you passable play at RT, you cross your fingers along the interior, and install Paris at LT? If the team makes the jump I'd want to something like 7-10 and "frisky" then this feels like a spot for a veteran addition next year, right? Or you draft a RT with pick 12?

[QuikSand]

DL/Edge - Looks like the Zaven Collins experiment is working okay, he's solind against eth run and still has got potential as a rusher, Gardeck the Barbarian is a replacement-level guy best as a situation pas rusher, and I don't know what else is happening on the edge with Ojulari out (not that he was proven, but at least there was a storyline there)... rookie Robinson may play some inside some outside, so maybe he can add some pressure, but I don't think there's enough here overall to think a 4-man rush is getting to anybody... another hallmark of a team needing help, lack of legit NFL talent on the other side of the LOS.

LB - with two recent 1st round picks spent here, this ought to be a major strength. Ugh. I guess you hope that Mack Wilson stays healthy and can play at replacement level or better, and you get something similar from Barnes and White. have not heard any camp buzz about anyone emerging here.

DBs - I actually kinda like where we are here, Baker is fine (PFF grade isn't strong but he passes the eye test overall) and PFF grading likes Jalen Thompson at the other safety slot, with Chachere a decent reserve/rotation guy. CB Sean Murphy Bunting is not awful (bad grade last year, so... maybe?) and a rotation of guys at the other corner jobs, including 2nd round rookie Melton and 3rd rounder Jones. CB might be a weakness, but I doubt it will feel like the reason they are a losing team. Another area where next year we reassess, and contemplate a fill-in veteran to help bring the team over the hump.

[QuikSand]

Okay, so... overall, this feels like it's a standard rebuild underway. The coaching staff last year seemed to get more out of a deeply subpar roster than we'd have expected, so there are some reasons to feel okay.

They draft DL/DB/DB so the immediate emphasis is clear. Seems fine. They need to rebuild some infrastructure type things (one more heavy DL, a count-on OL, a reliable perimeter corner, maybe one more offensive receiving target) but most teams have a list of questions that sound similar (though the good teams are worried about their first tier of depth the way this team is about several starter slots).

Vegas pins them as a 7-10 team. The books fielding O/U at 7/5 have the OVER paying +170 or so. Those fielding them at 6.5 have the OVER paying a shade under even money. I think that sounds about right.

[QuikSand]

If the wave of roster cuts in the next week or so yields someone intriguing at DL, maybe you give that a real look? (Miami cut Teair Tart, that sounds like a red flag to me, but that's the sort of guy I'm thinking about here)

But I don't think you go out and sign a malcontent veteran like CB Xavien Howard on a one-year deal, no real upside for this team in doing that. Just throw your young guys out there and see what you have. This doesn't feel like a two-guys-away roster, more like ten-guys-away, which is okay.

[QuikSand]

AZ Republic article projecting the 53-man roster following their first preseason game:

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They have Tune beating out Ridder for QB2, and SA Chachere missing the cut amidst a youth movement...

[Thomkal]

If they can keep their starters healthy and on the field, the Cards can have a good season say 9-7 or more. But there are so many new faces and moving parts its hard to predict until we see how they play. Harrison needs to stay healhy and show he's a #1 receiver right from the start.



I didn't think Tune was even going to be on the roster after getting Ridder given how terrible he looked last year so I don't really want to see either one of them on the field unless its a mop-up situation. Murray may be on his way out the door if he struggles. They pretty much have no reliable TE if McBride stuggles/get injured


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There are just too many question/young talent on the OLine to know for sure if the coaches have improved the holes here. I see they signed a center-Froholdt-late in training camp. If this line can't protect Murray it will be a long season indeed. DL is much the same, not many sacks in preseason but I do like Collins and Gardeck. They have already had a season-ending injury here they need to not have anymore. Linebackers seems to have a couple of sold starters, who knows if they get hurt.


I have been a fan of Murphy-Bunting but he needs to solidify that he's a strong starter. Budda Baker needs to keep earning that big contract and stay healhy. not a lot of depth here for injuries but probably some of the corners could play here if need be.

[Thomkal]

Well after that preseason giving up 38 to the Broncos, have to say things aren't looking good for my beloved Cardinals

[QuikSand]

heh, i play in a survivor pool, but each week you have to pick a guaranteed loser (and cannot use that team again)... I'm taking ARZ to lose in Buffalo

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

heh, i play in a survivor pool, but each week you have to pick a guaranteed loser (and cannot use that team again)... I'm taking ARZ to lose in Buffalo

Can't say I blame you for that Quik, but kinda glad cards don't have to play in a blizzard there

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

AZ Republic article projecting the 53-man roster following their first preseason game:

archive.is

They have Tune beating out Ridder for QB2, and SA Chachere missing the cut amidst a youth movement...

Looks like Ridder is being cut today. I wonder if he ends up on a practice squad somewhere.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Looks like Ridder is being cut today. I wonder if he ends up on a practice squad somewhere.

have to think he will given the lack of QB talent

[QuikSand]

Cards cuts:

T Dennis Daley
LS Joe Shimko
WR Daniel Arias
DB Michael Ojemudia
WR Daylen Baldwin
CB Delonte Hood
LB Chris Garrett
S Verone McKinley III
OL Austen Pleasants
DB T.J. Carter
QB Desmond Ridder
DT Naquan Jones
TE Blake Whiteheart
OL Marquis Hayes
CB Bobby Price
OL Marquis Hayes
WR Andre Baccellia
DL Myles Murphy
TE Bernhard Seikovits

[Thomkal]

Arizona Cardinals make roster cuts, transactions to reach 2024 final NFL roster


Other than Ridder, not a lot of surprises thought RB Michael Carter would make the team

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

well this was unexpected-falcons trading desmond ridder to the Cards for WR Rondale Moore.

ouch

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

everyone is looking for the next Tank Dell, the smallish productive guy that seems so obvious to succeed as a superslot... maybe it's Malik Washington?

- YouTube

He's in my Cards mocks from here on out, independent of whether I target WR early. They need bodies there.

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I’m all in on Malik Washington! All. In.

Malik Washington made the 53 with the Dolphins, FYI, and had an impressive pre-season. He may see some early season field time, as they are ravaged with injuries, and I'm not sure what they are doing at WR to be honest.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Malik Washington made the 53 with the Dolphins, FYI, and had an impressive pre-season. He may see some early season field time, as they are ravaged with injuries, and I'm not sure what they are doing at WR to be honest.

I was thinking about Malik just this morning and got sidetracked before I could find out if he made the roster. On the one hand, I felt bad that Dolphins drafted him and he'd be buried behind Waddle and Hill, but he is in a great offense.

The Lions ended up keeping UDFA Isiah Williams out of Illinois as their 4th WR. I feel like he's the bargain basement version of Malik.

[Thomkal]

Ridder is now on the Cards practice squad

[CrimsonFox]

What a game! Nice job guys! Keep up the good work!

[Thomkal]

I think we might need to help carolina next

[thesloppy]

Cards looked great last night. I'm excited to fly into Phoenix and catch the Lions/Cards game this weekend!

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Cards looked great last night. I'm excited to fly into Phoenix and catch the Lions/Cards game this weekend!

Woot! Take some pics for us!

[CrimsonFox]

HOLY SHIT! THEY DID IT! FUCK THE 9ERS!!!!


I LOVE Tyler Murray.....and James Conner.....and McBride.....um....and i guess wilson.....that's it I think. Seriously guys, get some defense.

another DT and a D back.

Also an offensive back that's a speed demon
also a good wide receiver.
Not sure if Harrijunior is it

but seriously I was getting so mad watching that game. and suddenly Conner conner conner conner conner......the guy is a steam roller! NICKNAME HIM STEAMROLLER!

And they took out 49ers kicker yay

the announcers were going on about how few penalties there were...but that's really because the refs didn't call them. Like the first few drives I kept seeing 0ers jumping off sides. Nothing. Pass interference. Nothing.

They even missed that face mask.

I also dislike the color commentator :P

[CrimsonFox]

ooooooo I KNOW! Shell out the big bucks and get Jamar Chase!

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

HOLY SHIT! THEY DID IT! FUCK THE 9ERS!!!!


I LOVE Tyler Murray.....and James Conner.....and McBride.....um....and i guess wilson.....that's it I think. Seriously guys, get some defense.

another DT and a D back.

Also an offensive back that's a speed demon
also a good wide receiver.
Not sure if Harrijunior is it

but seriously I was getting so mad watching that game. and suddenly Conner conner conner conner conner......the guy is a steam roller! NICKNAME HIM STEAMROLLER!

And they took out 49ers kicker yay

the announcers were going on about how few penalties there were...but that's really because the refs didn't call them. Like the first few drives I kept seeing 0ers jumping off sides. Nothing. Pass interference. Nothing.

They even missed that face mask.

I also dislike the color commentator :P

Yeah like I said in the NFL thread given their history against SF recently and the blowout loss to Washington last week, I was expecting more of the same when they were down at the half. Not this defense to hold them scoreless in the 2nd half. Crazy.


Murray threw for less than 200 yards again and Harrison had just 2 catches. They are going to lose more games than win unless those numbers improve.

[CrimsonFox]

We also need a kiocker that doesn't kick line drives. :P

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yeah like I said in the NFL thread given their history against SF recently and the blowout loss to Washington last week, I was expecting more of the same when they were down at the half. Not this defense to hold them scoreless in the 2nd half. Crazy.

I didn't realize SF was scoreless in the second half! WTF! Purdy and the offense were on fire. Catch after catch after catch. Then no scoers. Crazy. I guess SF run game sucks. Although Mason did break out several times. I cannot explain this.

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Murray threw for less than 200 yards again and Harrison had just 2 catches. They are going to lose more games than win unless those numbers improve.

Murray has so much talent gushing from his pores. SF kinda stuck to them like glue. Also there were dropped passes. That has to stop. But there was SOOOOO much contact the whole game between receivers yet no pass interference calls. Am I misunderstanding that rule? It's like other games I've seen they call it just if someone touches you.