09-12-2024, 01:36 PM | #9951 | |
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49 votes doesn't do much in reconciliation or in a majority, but you knew that. |
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09-12-2024, 01:43 PM | #9952 |
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I thought the Democrats had control of the Senate.
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09-12-2024, 04:05 PM | #9953 |
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09-12-2024, 04:49 PM | #9954 |
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You're blaming Republicans for not voting for a Democrat's bill. It's as silly as Trump blaming Democrats for the wall not being built. They're the opposition party.
If you want to blame members of your own party, have at it. But the minority party is not responsible for passing your legislation. |
09-12-2024, 05:52 PM | #9955 | |
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Stop gaslighting, the bill had enough support to get 60 and Trump killed it and as others have said, it would have been DOA in the house too. Beyond that is a solid talking point, "if the GOP wants a secure border why would they sink this bill that would have accomplished that." |
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09-18-2024, 04:24 PM | #9956 |
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unpopular opinion that probably gets me drummed out of the cool Democrats club: The SAVE act doesn't bother me much. I think that it is largely unneeded and probably could and should be improved, but it isn't a bill a would lay down in traffic to try to stop.
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09-18-2024, 04:30 PM | #9957 |
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The biggest problem with SAVE is that it would seemingly invalidate all voter registration and require a new document standard to re-register. It simply couldn't be done by November.
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09-18-2024, 04:50 PM | #9958 | |
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I think that's why they want it. It's a no-win for Democrats. If they don't support it, Republicans will claim it's so they can do fraud. If they do support it, it'll never be implemented in time so they'll also say it's because Democrats want to commit fraud. |
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09-18-2024, 04:51 PM | #9959 | |
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As currently written I think it's trash. Anything like this should be looked at after the election, not right before. It also specifies that it is effective immediately. The biggest issue, though, is there's no funding included to assist states in getting it implemented so how would we have an election by November? There are far better ways of getting something like this implemented if they took the time to do it correctly using REAL ID. |
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09-18-2024, 04:53 PM | #9960 |
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I feel like REAL ID is just a running gag by the government at this point.
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09-18-2024, 05:08 PM | #9961 | |
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In so many ways the GOP just doesn't care if things can work. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if they used a chaotic SAVE Act implementation as an argument to throw the election to the House and SCOTUS might agree.
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09-18-2024, 05:30 PM | #9962 | |
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You’re welcome to the independent club. I don’t mind the SAVE act but agree it can’t be implemented well for Nov. maybe the compromise is Dems agreeing to bring it to a separate vote in the Senate after election is done. But I do think the Dems have an upper hand here with elections so close. |
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09-18-2024, 06:02 PM | #9963 |
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I never suspected it could be implemented before November. There is no legal way that could happen, and the Republicans I have seen discussing it even admit that. There should be a couple of negotiated changes for sure. I would think that it could be tied to passing a renewal of the voting rights act, but of course, that would all require some kind of actual functioning Congress that could negotiate in good faith.
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09-18-2024, 06:05 PM | #9964 |
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It Mitch McConnell said previously that we shouldn't do something so rash as to replace a Supreme Court Justice in the last year of a President's term, then surely a wholesale revamp of voter ID laws should also wait a few months?
The smart thing for Democrats to do would be to let it die in committee. Keep tabling it while also saying "oh yes, we're definitely looking into it seriously". |
09-18-2024, 06:29 PM | #9965 |
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As it exists currently it says changes go into effect as soon as it becomes law. I doubt the GOP would change that since their whole argument is that we need it to keep Kamala from stealing the election. Who in the GOP has the guts to face the wrath of Trump?
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09-18-2024, 06:32 PM | #9966 |
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lol
Speaker Johnson put the CR with SAVE up for a vote and couldn't pass it. The GOP is a total shit show.
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09-18-2024, 07:08 PM | #9967 |
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09-18-2024, 07:41 PM | #9968 |
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He knew it was going to fail. This was to provide a CYA when he negotiates a six month clean CR, in an attempt to avoid getting McCarthy-d.. May not stop the firebrands from having a go.. wonder if the democrats would love the chaos of yet another house speaker election during election season.
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09-19-2024, 04:35 AM | #9969 | |
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I agree with you. But we'll see if GOP really has a Plan B. It's a little reassuring to see some members of the GOP risking the ire of Trump this close to election season. |
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09-19-2024, 10:21 AM | #9970 |
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Kathy Hochul has a lower net approval in NY than does Trump.
Worst Dems in America.
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09-23-2024, 07:00 AM | #9971 | |
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Looks like a clean CR regardless of Trump's wishes.
Dec 20 is an interesting date for the end date but guess Johnson wants one last bite at the apple if the GOP loses the House. Quote:
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09-23-2024, 07:17 AM | #9972 |
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Johnson may be a Trump ball licker but he isn't stupid like Boebert or MTG. He knows a shut down when people are already voting would be suicide.
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09-23-2024, 07:58 AM | #9973 | |
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He's also in a very different position than those two - he's in a position of actual responsibility/accountability rather than an elected loudmouth/performance art position who can sit on the sidelines and play to the base rather than govern. There's a reason why no matter how many times the GOP revolts against a speaker, they basically end up in the same place. You think Johnson wants to be an easy target for Trump if/when Trump loses the election (even though I'm sure Trump would be happy to see a shutdown, and just as happy to play either side depending on how the election shakes out)?
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