POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[NobodyHere]

I just can't do it. I can't watch the NFL games today. Just watching the pre-game show it had 4 political ads in a row. I can't subject myself to that all day just to watch the Browns lose.

[Ksyrup]

I'm impressed with the Trump campaign's combination of anti-immigration and anti-trans rights into one commercial - even though one had nothing to do with the other (in terms of the Harris clip they showed).

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm impressed with the Trump campaign's combination of anti-immigration and anti-trans rights into one commercial - even though one had nothing to do with the other (in terms of the Harris clip they showed).

We saw this one during the Mets game yesterday and couldn’t stop laughing at the absurdity of it. I can’t imagine anyone who isn’t already voting Trump would be swayed by this.

I’m in Jersey so I don’t see many thankfully.

[Ksyrup]

We're in KY and getting way more (from both sides) than we expected to see.

[Atocep]

After Musk appeared at Trump's rally last night and declared himself "dark MAGA" (whatever that means), I'm sure Jim Jordan will be opening an investigation into Twitter interfering in the election.

[Danny]

Musk just wants to feel like he belongs. Hes found his place now licking Trumps feet surrounded by MAGA.

[Ksyrup]

The look on Musk's face on stage reaching to shake Trump's hand is something I don't think even AI could adequately capture.

[Dutch]

Walz was absolutely wrecked over abortion on Fox News Sunday by Shannon Bream. If he could have at least started from a place of honesty, it could’ve gone better for him, but he couldn’t figure out how to say anything factual. He’s so weak. To paraphrase:

Walz: Trump wants an outright national abortion ban.
Bream: Trump has never done or said that, he says it should be left to the states. In Minnesota, you have a law for abortion to take place at any time, do you want that nationally?
Walz: No, I want Roe vs Wade.
Bream: Minnesota goes far behind Roe vs Wade. How is it that Trump wants the opposite of you when he’s never done what you’re saying he wants and you say you don’t want nationally what you have already done in your own state?
Walz: It’s different, Trump is lying about what he wants and I’m not.

Bumbling train wreck.

[thesloppy]

If that's a bumbling train wreck, wait until you hear what Trump has repeatedly said about abortions after birth.

[Lathum]

If you think Walz is a bumbling train wreck you should listen to about 30 seconds of a Trump rally.

If you don't think Trump will be used by the Heritage Foundation, Miller, Bannon, etc...as their useful idiot to enact a national abortion ban then you are amazingly naive. They are also coming for birth control, no fault divorce, etc...They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Walz was absolutely wrecked over abortion on Fox News Sunday by Shannon Bream. If he could have at least started from a place of honesty, it could’ve gone better for him, but he couldn’t figure out how to say anything factual. He’s so weak. To paraphrase:

Walz: Trump wants an outright national abortion ban.
Bream: Trump has never done or said that, he says it should be left to the states. In Minnesota, you have a law for abortion to take place at any time, do you want that nationally?
Walz: No, I want Roe vs Wade.
Bream: Minnesota goes far behind Roe vs Wade. How is it that Trump wants the opposite of you when he’s never done what you’re saying he wants and you say you don’t want nationally what you have already done in your own state?
Walz: It’s different, Trump is lying about what he wants and I’m not.

Bumbling train wreck.

This is a bumbling train wreck?

She misrepresents the Minnesota law and you're knocking Walz for using Trump and Vance's previous stances on abortion against him?

Trump and Vance have been all over the place on abortion. Trump is the reason Roe was overturned and has supported abortion bans until he realized it was hurting his election chances. Vance has previously supported them as well.

Tim Walz on Fox News Sunday on abortion rights: "Look, they may see this as an election issue. We see it as a right of women to make their own bodily decisions." pic.twitter.com/BzukaVnPrB

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 6, 2024

[cartman]

were we watching the same thing?

- YouTube

[Lathum]

dola- Trump is also one hamburder from a coronary and Vance absolutely would enact a national ban.

[Lathum]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/u...e-decline.html

[dubb93]

I don’t think Trump himself could have summarized that video worse than Dutch did.

[cuervo72]

He's far gone, guys. Probably not worth it.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Walz was absolutely wrecked over abortion on Fox News Sunday by Shannon Bream. If he could have at least started from a place of honesty, it could’ve gone better for him, but he couldn’t figure out how to say anything factual. He’s so weak. To paraphrase:

Walz: Trump wants an outright national abortion ban.
Bream: Trump has never done or said that, he says it should be left to the states. In Minnesota, you have a law for abortion to take place at any time, do you want that nationally?
Walz: No, I want Roe vs Wade.
Bream: Minnesota goes far behind Roe vs Wade. How is it that Trump wants the opposite of you when he’s never done what you’re saying he wants and you say you don’t want nationally what you have already done in your own state?
Walz: It’s different, Trump is lying about what he wants and I’m not.

Bumbling train wreck.

Trump is a moron,

Walz had the balls to go on Fox which is notoriously biased. Trump hides from any news organization that has the temerity to call his bullshit lies from his rotting aged advanced demetia brain like the coward he is.

Still haven't heard from you Dutch on how Trump disrepected fallen Americans at the Arlington debacle. Guess it's okay for Trump to do things like disrepect our American troops on such sacred ground.

Trump is a traitor and needs to be imprisoned.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Still haven't heard from you Dutch on how Trump disrepected fallen Americans at the Arlington debacle. Guess it's okay for Trump to do things like disrepect our American troops on such sacred ground.

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and you never will. MAGA exists in the perfect echo chamber where nothing negative about dear leader get through. If something does it's fake news, if it isn't fake news excuses are made "everyone does it", "it wasn't that bad", and my favorite, "I know he said X but he really meant Y" then of course there is the deep state, etc...

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I just can't do it. I can't watch the NFL games today. Just watching the pre-game show it had 4 political ads in a row. I can't subject myself to that all day just to watch the Browns lose.

Having RedZone has been a life saver.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Trump is a moron,

Walz had the balls to go on Fox which is notoriously biased. Trump hides from any news organization that has the temerity to call his bullshit lies from his rotting aged advanced demetia brain like the coward he is.

Still haven't heard from you Dutch on how Trump disrepected fallen Americans at the Arlington debacle. Guess it's okay for Trump to do things like disrepect our American troops on such sacred ground.

Trump is a traitor and needs to be imprisoned.

I watched the gold star family members defend Trump. Very powerful messages from all of them. Have you seen those?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I watched the gold star family members defend Trump. Very powerful messages from all of them. Have you seen those?

Did you also see the messages from the families of the fallen soldiers whose headstones were included in the photos without their permission? Also very powerful. There is a reason those places have policies in place to keep them as places of remembrance, not used as photo ops.

[miked]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I watched the gold star family members defend Trump. Very powerful messages from all of them. Have you seen those?

Why wouldn't these gold star families love the guy who dodged service and said people who are killed or wounded in action are suckers. Also, he negotiated that deal with the Taliban that got the soldiers killed. National HERO.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by cartman

Did you also see the messages from the families of the fallen soldiers whose headstones were included in the photos without their permission? Also very powerful. There is a reason those places have policies in place to keep them as places of remembrance, not used as photo ops.

Well they let the mentally ill maintain those places don't ya know.

[Atocep]

My wife had a long discussion about immigration with her best friend, who is a big GOP supporter, and it really is indicative of any discussion on here with Dutch.

First, she claims to be center right and not at all a person that blindly supports the GOP but she's never voted for a democrat in her life. The discussion started with Trump vs Kamala and her friend said she doesn't like some of the stuff Trump does and says but she can't bring herself to vote Kamala after what she did to California, but she couldn't explain anything she specifically did to California to justify that stance. She's a foster parent that has a Guatemalan teenager with a baby that's here on temporary status. My wife's friend was going on and on about how something needed to be done about illegals in the country and she supported mass deportations.

The problem with debating this issue with her was, when presented with any evidence that contradicted her viewpoint, she would spin in the best possible light and if she couldn't she would say you can't trust anything in print media so if there isn't a video of Trump saying something then it just can't be trusted. So Trump's Time interview where he stated he supported using the military to deport migrants couldn't be trusted.

I dug up the recent Trump interview here he stated that he supported revoking temporary status to deport Haitians. My wife pointed out that, while her foster child isn't Haitian, she is under the same status as Haitians, and therefore at risk for deportation under a Trump administration. She tried to argue semantics, my wife stood her ground, and the she asked what Kamala's immigration policy is, not expecting an answer. My wife pointed out the border bill that republicans shot down to benefit Trump and laid out what it would have done. All things she had just said she would like to see at the border. Her response was a rant about how both sides are bad and since she lives in Washington she probably won't vote because it doesn't matter.

My point is, most GOP supporters will spin absolutely everything Trump does in the best possible way, ignore any proof to the contrary, and spin everything Dems do in the worst possible way. Admittedly, there is some both sides here, but we're talking something like 75/25 or something in that ballpark. GOP media does not cover the bad things and that's the only media most GOP supporters consume. The live in a bubble where everything is spun in a way that shapes their worldview and they filter out anything that goes against what their media is telling them.