POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

People can pretty much post anything on the internet and people will run with it. Already seen this reposted a couple of times on FB SMH. I would 100% think/hope it has no shred of truth to it, but if there is the Harris campaign will deserve what they get for their stellar job of vetting.

Big October surprise rocks Kamala campaign, Tim Walz accused of 'inappropriate' relations with a minor - Hindustan Times

I clicked on one of the two twitter "sources" in that article and it's a satire shitposter.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

We're going to end up with some sort of crypto bailout and it's going to piss me off so much.

I'd bet I'd be even more pissed than you.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd bet I'd be even more pissed than you.

It has to be a mess if you and I agree.

[GrantDawg]

Today, it was confirmed that Kamala Harris is doing to do a sit down with Brett Baier on Fox, and now it is also confirmed she is working on going on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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[JPhillips]

If Trump wins I'm convinced he's going to screw over RFK Jr. I don't think he wants RFK Jr. taking camera time and I don't think he gives a damn about all of the anti-corporate stuff.

[JPhillips]

Trump's ton hall tonight was apparently one of the odder things to happen at a campaign event.

It was in a poorly ventilated space and people were overheated. At least two passed out and received medical treatment. Trump said that he wasn't going to take more questions and they'll all just listen to music instead. Music played, with Trump bobbing slightly, for 20 minutes or so and then Trump said the townhall was over.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It has to be a mess if you and I agree.

I agree with both of you also. Strongly.

This is scary.

[flere-imsaho]

Along with Brian, Jon, & JPhillips, I will also be pissed if there's a crypto bailout.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I will respectfully disagree with you here. I do believe there are "degrees" of blame (aka degrees of separation)

So you would say then that a proverbial mob boss is less guilty than the hit man they hire/order to eliminate someone?

[Lathum]

Has to be a good sign for Harris

Early Voting: Large turnout on first day of early voting in Georgia – WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta

[Ryche]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump's ton hall tonight was apparently one of the odder things to happen at a campaign event.

It was in a poorly ventilated space and people were overheated. At least two passed out and received medical treatment. Trump said that he wasn't going to take more questions and they'll all just listen to music instead. Music played, with Trump bobbing slightly, for 20 minutes or so and then Trump said the townhall was over.

35 to 38 minutes from what I've seen. They played all of November Rain so you know it had to be a long time.

[GrantDawg]

My wife and son both voted today. In and out no problem. I should be able to this week myself.

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[cartman]

so at the Economic Forum of Chicago, the stable genius told the roomful of economists that they didn't understand tariffs.

"Critics say your tariffs will end up being like a national sales tax because America at the moment has $3 trillion worth of imports, you're going to add tariffs to every single one of them that is going to push up the cost for all those people who want to buy foreign goods.

"It is just simple mathematics, President Trump."

"It's not," replied Trump. "It is, but not the way you figured. I was always very good at mathematics."

[cuervo72]

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My wife and son both voted today. In and out no problem. I should be able to this week myself.

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Was going to vote but heard it was busy. Definitely going to vote early, so sometime this week or early next.

When I drove back from swimming, the 2 lights on either side of the GA-400 exit had Kamala supporters on one side and Trump supporters the other. Just read Trump is holding a townhall in Forsyth county.

[NobodyHere]

Local election officials in Georgia must certify results, judge rules

I only bring this up because the judge invoked Lord of the Rings in his ruling.

Originally Posted by Article

"To users of common parlance, 'shall' connotes instruction or command: You shall not pass!" he wrote, quoting Lord of the Rings' Gandalf's famous battle cry. "And, generally, even lawyers, legislators, and judges, construe “shall” as “a word of command."

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My wife and son both voted today. In and out no problem. I should be able to this week myself.

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I sent my absentee ballot in today too

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

So you would say then that a proverbial mob boss is less guilty than the hit man they hire/order to eliminate someone?

No, not less guilty. My full quote is below

Originally Posted by Edward64

I will respectfully disagree with you here. I do believe there are "degrees" of blame (aka degrees of separation)

As a general example ...

Person A can be blamed more if he organizes/implements bad thing X. Person B can be blamed less if X-3. Person C can be blamed much less if he is X-10.

Therefore, the mob boss "organized" and the "hit man" implemented. So, in my mind, pretty much the same.

[Thomkal]

But Stephen Miller said it was the greatest ever interview any political candidate has ever given.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

But Stephen Miller said it was the greatest ever interview any political candidate has ever given.

If I ever find a Genie, one wish will be put me in a room with Miller so I can punch him in the face. Hell, why not use all three wishes so I could give him a jab, cross, hook combo.

[JPhillips]

GOP friendly pollsters getting lazy.

PENNSYLVANIA @AmericanPulseUS Poll:

Trump 51% (+1)
Harris 50%

[Ksyrup]

9% undecided. That gets you to the proverbial 110%. Duh.

[Lathum]

It is all the illegals voting

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Therefore, the mob boss "organized" and the "hit man" implemented. So, in my mind, pretty much the same.

Ok. Next question then; how is that different from buying something made under horrifying conditions in some other country? Isn't that 'organizing'? If people weren't buying it (aka giving the order), then you don't have the situation. They're rendering a service to us, same as the mines in my example, the sweatshops making t-shirts/sneakers/whatever you want to pick on are; hitman is rendering a service to the mob boss.

[GrantDawg]

Trump is planning to work a fry station at McDonalds on Sunday in Pennsylvania.

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[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

If I ever find a Genie, one wish will be put me in a room with Miller so I can punch him in the face. Hell, why not use all three wishes so I could give him a jab, cross, hook combo.

you can use my wishes so you can punch him some more. Almost more than I want to see Trump go to jail for what he has done, Miller would be a close second.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Trump is planning to work a fry station at McDonalds on Sunday in Pennsylvania.

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he's just doing it for the free fries...

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

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This interview is an example of why he's being hidden from major networks and mainstream media. He can't articulate any position and can't stay on topic. Then when pushed to answer the question he gets angry and lashes out.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Ok. Next question then; how is that different from buying something made under horrifying conditions in some other country? Isn't that 'organizing'? If people weren't buying it (aka giving the order), then you don't have the situation.

No, a regular consumer buying an iPhone (which cobalt is used in) is definitely not "organizing" (or at least not in the definition I would use). Organizing to me indicates there is someone in authority coordinating/paying to get X done.

The regular consumer is several degrees of separation away from that and certainly after Apple (which has more culpability/blame than the consumer). If the cobalt miner only sells to Apple, then I would consider Apple the organizer. But I'm pretty sure the cobalt miner sells to a bunch of different other companies/entities so I'd say cobalt miner is X and Apple is X-1 or X-2.

They're rendering a service to us, same as the mines in my example, the sweatshops making t-shirts/sneakers/whatever you want to pick on are; hitman is rendering a service to the mob boss.

Using the example of mob boss ... does Meadow/Anothony bear the same/equal responsibility of all the killings that Tony did/organized? They benefited, they may not have known all the specifics but they knew Tony did bad things. Would a court of law view them as equally culpable? I doubt it, too many degrees of separation. Isn't this the reason why there are different levels of murder/killing in the court of law?

[Edward64]

I was wondering why Kamala didn't do more with "weird". The answer below ...

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That may be because the “weird” message didn’t actually poll very well, according to Pod Save America’s Dan Pfeiffer:

Does calling MAGA Republicans weird actually move voters?

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, we haven’t (yet) found the secret sauce. According to private research done by a top Democratic outfit, calling MAGA Republicans “weird” has minimal impact. The study showed voters various clips of Democrats using the message and then measured how the messages impacted their vote choice. The study found not [sic] significant impact one way or the other.

The lack of a backlash is notable because using a term like “weird” would seem condescending to some voters — something akin to Hillary Clinton’s deplorables comment in 2016. There is no downside to the message, but it doesn’t move the race in our direction. In other words, calling Donald Trump and JD Vance “weird” may be more cathartic than constructive.

[Ksyrup]

Serious question - at this point, is there any single label (or thing, really) that is going to have better than a minimal impact?This is about scrounging in the seat cushions for loose change. Any positive impact is good, especially if there's no "major" impact item to replace a series of minimal impact things they could keep using (maybe not hammer/over-use, but continue messaging with now and then).

[GrantDawg]

At this point, it is all about get out to the vote/suppress the vote at this point. As much attention as "undecided voters" gets, this election will be about, just like all elections are, turn out. So if there is a "motto" or a tag-line that will work right now, it would be whatever you need to motivate your voters to show up.

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[Vegas Vic]

I'm looking forward to Kamala's interview with Bret Baier tonight. Say what you will about Fox News, but Bret Baier asks tough questions regardless of who he's interviewing. This isn't the Hannity/Watters/Ingraham entertainment sector of Fox News. Baier's interview style reminds me of the late great Tim Russert.

[Thomkal]

I hope she can find a way to bring up the disinformation about election results and other areas that this channel continues to promote-mention the settled lawsuit and ongoing suits for lying about the last election.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I hope she can find a way to bring up the disinformation about election results and other areas that this channel continues to promote-mention the settled lawsuit and ongoing suits for lying about the last election.

First and foremost, she needs to articulate the Biden administration's border policy over the past term, instead of letting that be defined by Trump's disinformation. There is no such thing as a "border Czar", that was invented by Trump. She was sent on a fact finding mission by Biden to try and determine the root causes of migration and then work in a bipartisan way to find a solution, which they did until Trump ordered the Republicans to kill the bill, because actually getting something done on the border would hurt his chances in the election.