UFO's - aliens here & now

[Ksyrup]

Woops, sorry, got this thread confused with the Trump cabinet appointment thread.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Woops, sorry, got this thread confused with the Trump cabinet appointment thread.

Leonardo Da Vinci was a visionary. But he could not have imagined American politics in the 2020s.

For that matter, the most convincing proof that there isn't intelligent life out there monitoring our planet is that we all haven't been zapped into oblivion in the last century.

I'm staying the hell out of the political items. No reading, commenting, even thinking about them.

[Ksyrup]

I hear ya. My brother said much the same. No use worrying about what you have no power to control. I get it, but ... boiling frog syndrome is a thing.

Anyway, one thread about aliens is enough!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

For that matter, the most convincing proof that there isn't intelligent life out there monitoring our planet is that we all haven't been zapped into oblivion in the last century.

It's obvious they are waiting for the warp signature.

[flere-imsaho]

I'm just going to quote myself from Page 2:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

There are no aliens, because if there were, Donald Trump would have found out about them while President and there's no way he would have kept his mouth shut about it.

[Ksyrup]

They wiped his memory when he stared at the eclipse.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by dubb93

It all depends on how we found out and how confident we are in our assessments. It could definitely set off a space race / militarizing of space race in a way that just doesn’t exist now. By that I mean beating that guy to their system before they get out and with bigger weapons could go from basically having no priority to becoming our number one priority very quickly.

This makes sense if it were something we could do in, say, a couple decades with intense effort. We're nowhere near that point. It's just so far beyond our capability to do anything reasonable about that people would realize that fairly quickly and not flush their money down that toilet (in terms of there being no return on it in their lifetime, or that of anyone else who would be alive in their lifetime). Just not how people operate.

Originally Posted by Edward64

1. If an alien race is advanced enough to visit the US, they are very likely advanced enough technologically to hide from us
2. The ocean floors are certainly not nearly mapped well enough. There are some very, very deep places and wide expanse left unexplored
3. We supposedly know approx. the flight path of MAS 370. Government and private sector have spent significant sums of $, hours and our best technology to find it. And best we can do is wait for wreckage to wash ashore around Reunion island

1. That's the kind of argument you can squeeze anything into. It's like the whole Illuminati word leadership conspiracy stuff. You can't ever disprove it, no matter how much information and evidence you have, but there's also no good reason to believe it, so there's only one rational conclusion.

2/3. This is an area where there's a lot of distorted information commonly out there, no blame at all but I don't think what you've said is factual. We have satellite-imaged all of the ocean floor. What we don't have is detailed mapping of everything (but expect to in less than a decade), but the satellite data has a resolution of 5km at most, so for example if there was an underwater New York City or Paris or whatever, we'd most definitely know it was there. Finding the wreckage of a single lost plane is an entirely different matter from 'massive undiscovered civilization on the sea floor'.

In terms of the technological comparison to 1700, what we'd need to do anything approaching light-speed travel, nevermind surpassing it, is not that. It's a far bigger gap than the gap between modern humanity and cave-dwelling hunter humanity. This is just a massive, enormous cavern. We are not even close to being able to ask the right questions, let alone have the right answers. Take the period between the Apollo launches and now. We're doing very similar things slightly better, and it's all still extremely expensive. It's like running a marathon and your initial stride is still in mid-air, you haven't even fully taken that first step yet.

Even beyond that, progress in many fields of science including physics has slowed dramatically. There isn't less effort into research in general, but it's getting increasingly difficult for us to make breakthroughs. There's a very real and significant possibility that humans simply aren't smart enough to even come up with the answers beyond a certain point; aliens may very well have done it if it's possible, but it may simply be beyond us in any vaguely reasonable timeframe to discover what we would need to know, again if it's even possible which it does not appear to be. The whole thing is like an ant speculating about what it might be like to build a skyscraper. It's so far beyond us that we just have no reasonable way of projecting out that far.

[Edward64]

Goes without saying, this is all speculation. Only based on sci-fi books & shows, snippets of fact, and my imagination ...

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

1. That's the kind of argument you can squeeze anything into. It's like the whole Illuminati word leadership conspiracy stuff. You can't ever disprove it, no matter how much information and evidence you have, but there's also no good reason to believe it, so there's only one rational conclusion.

First part, absolutely agree. Second part re: no good reason to believe it, pretty much also true about Aliens hiding from us but I don't believe true specifically re: advance technology able to hide from current day (see paragraph).

2/3. This is an area where there's a lot of distorted information commonly out there, no blame at all but I don't think what you've said is factual. We have satellite-imaged all of the ocean floor. What we don't have is detailed mapping of everything (but expect to in less than a decade), but the satellite data has a resolution of 5km at most, so for example if there was an underwater New York City or Paris or whatever, we'd most definitely know it was there. Finding the wreckage of a single lost plane is an entirely different matter from 'massive undiscovered civilization on the sea floor'.

I was actually thinking about the Mariana trench which is 11km.

And I was definitely not thinking about advance civilization living in the ocean. I was thinking more like observation post/base living under the ocean floor, keeping their footprint as small as possible.

If I was an advanced alien civilization, I would pick the most remote location wherever and dig into it.