The Trump Presidency 2.0

[JonInMiddleGA]

Last night's EOs was one of the greatest governmental days I can recall in my lifetime

Imperfect, but damned enjoyable.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Noop

Where are you getting 4 more years from? I do not think he will ever leave office and nor do i believe democrats will ever get back in power unless we have some sort of collapse people blame on the right or Trump

I was just mentioning this the other day in casual conversation with a friend. I think the Democratic Party is probably dead at this point. They need to rebrand and come back with all new and much younger leadership. The brand is so toxic right now in the minds of so many. I really don’t know how they come back.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I was just mentioning this the other day in casual conversation with a friend. I think the Democratic Party is probably dead at this point. They need to rebrand and come back with all new and much younger leadership. The brand is so toxic right now in the minds of so many. I really don’t know how they come back.

The same was being said about the GOP after the 2020 election and J6. If there's one thing we've learned about politics, its that the party in power is sure to do everything they can to fuck up any advantage.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The same was being said about the GOP after the 2020 election and J6. If there's one thing we've learned about politics, its that the party in power is sure to do everything they can to fuck up any advantage.

Maybe it’s where I live, but I didn’t have this same feeling in 2020. The right now controls basically all social media. We no longer fact check disinformation. Being called a democrat or a liberal is now an accepted insult. The Supreme Court is a majority right and not going to get any closer anytime soon. Left leaning new sites are now hiding behind paywalls. It really feels like the country just submitted to a king.

[Atocep]

How many of these EOs get shot down? Birthright citizenship is almost certain to get killed by the courts. The telework ban can be partially upheld, at best. I'd be surprised if DOGE itself survives legal challenge. The law is pretty clear there.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The same was being said about the GOP after the 2020 election and J6. If there's one thing we've learned about politics, its that the party in power is sure to do everything they can to fuck up any advantage.

The GOP was trying to win back power though and the Dems seem pretty content to be in the minority. They're all rich and Republican policy is better for them too.

The fact that no one has been fired or lost any position of power after yet another loss to Trump tells you they don't give a shit.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

How many of these EOs get shot down? Birthright citizenship is almost certain to get killed by the courts. The telework ban can be partially upheld, at best. I'd be surprised if DOGE itself survives legal challenge. The law is pretty clear there.

Wasn't that long ago we never thought Roe would be overturned. He has basically 3 guaranteed votes with him on everything with the court as it is. Roberts will stray, and I actually have some level of faith ACB will do the right thing, but lets not act like this court is some paragon of virtue.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Wasn't that long ago we never thought Roe would be overturned. He has basically 3 guaranteed votes with him on everything with the court as it is. Roberts will stray, and I actually have some level of faith ACB will do the right thing, but lets not act like this court is some paragon of virtue.

From a legal standpoint Roe was always on shaky ground. They choose the wrong case to base the ruling on. That argument has been made since the 80s. It would have been a stronger law if it had been based on a doctor's right to perform lifesaving care. People didn't think the SCOTUS would overturn it because of the court's composition but once the GOP stacked the court everyone knew it was in trouble. That's why it got so much attention during the confirmations.

Birthright citizenship is cut and dry and has more than 100 years of legal precedent. Regardless, even if SCOTUS is receptive to the argument it's not something that can be done by EO. It would be a law passed by Congress.

[JPhillips]

I wonder if the birthright citizenship EO is so broad precisely because of an expected court challenge. Would SCOTUS take the opportunity to say children born to people legally in the US are citizens but people born to those illegally in the US are not. That would still be a great departure from the 14th amendment, but the court could sell it as the reasonable moderate position.

[Lathum]

I have zero faith any of the norms will be upheld.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have zero faith any of the norms will be upheld.

It's also not something the GOP should be cheering on, honestly. If this is upheld it opens the door for the 2nd ammendment to be redefined by EO at some point in the future.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It's also not something the GOP should be cheering on, honestly. If this is upheld it opens the door for the 2nd ammendment to be redefined by EO at some point in the future.

You need to stop looking at it as the GOP and start thinking of it as MAGA. The GOP may as well be dead and given the way the last election went with young people and minorities it looks like they will have a generation of control.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

How many of these EOs get shot down? Birthright citizenship is almost certain to get killed by the courts. The telework ban can be partially upheld, at best. I'd be surprised if DOGE itself survives legal challenge. The law is pretty clear there.

It's just encouraging to see the federal government even _attempting_ to do something good, sane, rational, for a change.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It's just encouraging to see the federal government even _attempting_ to do something good, sane, rational, for a change.

I don't know how you can be calm in a time like this when Fauci is off committing his crimes against humanity.

[JPhillips]

MAGA is full of thin-skinned pussies raging at an Episcopal priest who had the audacity to say Trump should be kind to the vulnerable.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I don't know how you can be calm in a time like this when Fauci is off committing his crimes against humanity.

He'll get his.

We should eventually either get to see him sink his co-conspirators OR locked up for perjury. And I doubt he lasts long in jail unless he's in isolation.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

MAGA is full of thin-skinned pussies raging at an Episcopal priest who had the audacity to say Trump should be kind to the vulnerable.

The soy right is real.

[miked]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

He'll get his.

We should eventually either get to see him sink his co-conspirators OR locked up for perjury. And I doubt he lasts long in jail unless he's in isolation.

Boy, as a dude who love the rule of law, you must be super pissed about all these people who trespassed and assaulted LEOs, most of whom pled guilty or were found guilty by judges/juries, getting pardoned.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Last night's EOs was one of the greatest governmental days I can recall in my lifetime

Imperfect, but damned enjoyable.

I'm old enough to remember when governing by EO was a cardinal sin. But yes, all of the conservatives of 10+ years ago who dare to hold people accountable for flipping 180 degrees on their beliefs/values are the RINOs. Suuuuure.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miked

Boy, as a dude who love the rule of law, you must be super pissed about all these people who trespassed and assaulted LEOs, most of whom pled guilty or were found guilty by judges/juries, getting pardoned.

Not in the slightest.

My feelings on that day have been pretty clear from the jump I believe.

I have no more mercy for those LEOs than I do for the ones who got involved in covid insanity enforcement.

They can all burn in the deepest pit of hell afaic, they forfeited any respect from me, as well as any quarter.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I wonder if the birthright citizenship EO is so broad precisely because of an expected court challenge. Would SCOTUS take the opportunity to say children born to people legally in the US are citizens but people born to those illegally in the US are not. That would still be a great departure from the 14th amendment, but the court could sell it as the reasonable moderate position.

$20 says Trump ignores it anyway. "John Roberts has made his decision, now let him enforce it. In the meantime, deporting illegals is what we're going to do, and if a few die in detention camps, so much the better as they aren't human anyway."

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I have no more mercy for those LEOs than I do for the ones who got involved in covid insanity enforcement.

The real problem is that those LEOs didn't have more firepower and didn't use it to eradicate everyone attempting to infiltrate the capital.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not in the slightest.

My feelings on that day have been pretty clear from the jump I believe.

I have no more mercy for those LEOs than I do for the ones who got involved in covid insanity enforcement.

They can all burn in the deepest pit of hell afaic, they forfeited any respect from me, as well as any quarter.

Yikes. This shit right here is why the MAGA shit is so dangerous. No, it isn’t OK to attack police officers just trying to do their jobs.

[dubb93]

Leadership makes people feel like they can say whatever they want and they literally say the most vile treacherous shit possible.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Birthright citizenship is cut and dry and has more than 100 years of legal precedent. Regardless, even if SCOTUS is receptive to the argument it's not something that can be done by EO. It would be a law passed by Congress.

They'll just redefine the words in it like they did with 2A rulings. 6-3. They've been openly bribed for years to do this stuff. The 14th isn't a hard amendment to interpret either as the people who wrote it openly talked about what they meant by it.

As for the EO, wouldn't many of us technically not be citizens? Tracking our lineage far enough back and I'm sure someone in our tree got citizenship by being born to immigrants.

[Atocep]

So Trump's executive order on gender/sex classifies everyone in the country as female.

[Atocep]

(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.

(e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Yikes. This shit right here is why the MAGA shit is so dangerous. No, it isn’t OK to attack police officers just trying to do their jobs.

That's not a MAGA exclusive belief. The left/liberals have been absolutely okay with attacking police officers just trying to do their jobs for much longer and with much more vigor.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

That's not a MAGA exclusive belief. The left/liberals have been absolutely okay with attacking police officers just trying to do their jobs for much longer and with much more vigor.

I don't know, the vigor insurrectionists showed as they beat the hell out of officers on J6 is hard to beat.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

That's not a MAGA exclusive belief. The left/liberals have been absolutely okay with attacking police officers just trying to do their jobs for much longer and with much more vigor.

Have they? I would be open to a list of state sponsored attacks on police performed by the left where the attackers were pardoned after the fact.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

That's not a MAGA exclusive belief. The left/liberals have been absolutely okay with attacking police officers just trying to do their jobs for much longer and with much more vigor.

Name these politicians for us.

[Lathum]

I would love examples of the left spraying cops with bear spray then getting a presidential pardon.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I would love examples of the left spraying cops with bear spray then getting a presidential pardon.

Prosecutors choose not to prosecute cases and it would be hard for presidents to give a blanket pardons to anyone that in the future could be charged with assault on LEO?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Prosecutors choose not to prosecute cases and it would be hard for presidents to give a blanket pardons to anyone that in the future could be charged with assault on LEO?

so you are saying there are prosecutors out there who would choose to not charge cases where LEOs were assaulted with bear spray?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I don't know, the vigor insurrectionists showed as they beat the hell out of officers on J6 is hard to beat.

Grassley: Let's End the War on Cops | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Just a moment...

Police chief association releases number of officers injured during violent riots | Fox News

Nearly 400 NYPD Cops Hurt During NYC’s Two Weeks of Protest Over George Floyd’s Death – NBC New York

But both were just "peaceful" protests.

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Lathum

so you are saying there are prosecutors out there who would choose to not charge cases where LEOs were assaulted with bear spray?

I know there were prosecutors that have chosen to not charge cases where a LEO was assaulted with a rock. But those don't make the news for some reason.

Edit: And I don't live in a city like San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle, etc. so only those cops know what's actually happening there.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Grassley: Let's End the War on Cops | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

Just a moment...

Police chief association releases number of officers injured during violent riots | Fox News

Nearly 400 NYPD Cops Hurt During NYC’s Two Weeks of Protest Over George Floyd’s Death – NBC New York

But both were just "peaceful" protests.

We were looking for the politicians that supported this. Which ones were they? I don't remember Biden giving out thousands of pardons to people who assaulted cops.

And a lot of people were arrested for assaulting cops at these protests.Differende is they didn't get pardoned. What is your complaint?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

We were looking for the politicians that supported this. Which ones were they? I don't remember Biden giving out thousands of pardons to people who assaulted cops.

And a lot of people were arrested for assaulting cops at these protests.Differende is they didn't get pardoned. What is your complaint?

Arrested doesn't necessarily mean charged by a prosecutor so again hard for Biden to pardon them since they weren't his pre-pardoned elite.

And the politicians that supported it were the ones that perpetuated the "peaceful protest" fallacy.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Arrested doesn't necessarily mean charged by a prosecutor so again hard for Biden to pardon them since they weren't his pre-pardoned elite.

And the politicians that supported it were the ones that perpetuated the "peaceful protest" fallacy.

There were over 14,000 arrests. I can't find any support for violent offenders or calls for pardons from major politicians or party leaders. Can't find anyone calling them political prisoners. Nor do I see any that were pardoned by Biden.

Can you link us to these politicians that did this stuff?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

There were over 14,000 arrests. I can't find any support for violent offenders or calls for pardons from major politicians or party leaders. Can't find anyone calling them political prisoners. Nor do I see any that were pardoned by Biden.

Can you link us to these politicians that did this stuff?

You can read the previous post.

[RainMaker]

Many people were charged and convicted. From this sample of the first 70 sentenced, they averaged 27 months in prison.

Can you show us the politicians who openly supported and called for their release?

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters | AP News

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Can you show us the politicians who openly supported and called for their release?

Again. You are not stupid. You can't advocate for the release of people that were never tried because the charges were not pursued.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...YxUhE8tZ1HqNHQ

[RainMaker]

I literally linked you to an article that talks about 120 people convicted of which 70 were sentenced.

Are you trying to say that there is not a single liberal protestor in prison today?

Here's some more. A quick Google search you can find hundreds more.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/pr...nced-46-months

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...287972330.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...296863239.html

[Mota]

For the people here trying to justify pardoning the J6 insurrectionists. Just remember that these are Proud Boys and Oath Keepers being pardoned, so if that's your side, you might want to think about what you believe in.

[Ghost Econ]

Purely anecdotal, but with the EO requiring a return to the office, I woke up to 3 different emails removing government jobs I had applied to that were all remote.

[sovereignstar v2]

Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht was pardoned 10 years into his life sentence. Pop the champagne, Jon!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht was pardoned 10 years into his life sentence. Pop the champagne, Jon!

I said I liked nearly everything, not everything.

A lot of progress this week, but short of perfection.

[Lathum]

In the war in Ukraine over yet?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Purely anecdotal, but with the EO requiring a return to the office, I woke up to 3 different emails removing government jobs I had applied to that were all remote.

If they were federal jobs and not contract positions there's also a hiring freeze. Anyone that didn't have a start date had their job offers pulled and all postings canceled.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht was pardoned 10 years into his life sentence. Pop the champagne, Jon!

What's the reasoning behind this one, did he buy TRUMP coins or something?