Trump's Immigration Reform

[Edward64]

Test of wills with sanctuary cities coming up soon ...

Just a moment...

House Republicans are preparing to call a vote within weeks on the “No Bailout for Sanctuary Cities Act” — legislation that would target jurisdictions that do not cooperate with federal immigration enforcement priorities.

The upcoming GOP bill would in effect deny a broad range of federal funding to jurisdictions that don’t cooperate with the Department of Homeland Security — which is the case for many Democratic-led cities, counties and states. A version of the bill passed the House last year with 12 Democrats joining a united Republican conference.

What is a sanctuary city?

Just a moment...

These cities, counties, and states have laws, ordinances, regulations, resolutions, policies, or other practices that obstruct immigration enforcement and shield criminals from ICE — either by refusing to or prohibiting agencies from complying with ICE detainers, imposing unreasonable conditions on detainer acceptance, denying ICE access to interview incarcerated aliens, or otherwise impeding communication or information exchanges between their personnel and federal immigration officers.

A detainer is the primary tool used by ICE to gain custody of criminal aliens for deportation. It is a notice to another law enforcement agency that ICE intends to assume custody of an alien and includes information on the alien's previous criminal history, immigration violations, and potential threat to public safety or security.

List of sanctuary cities, counties, states starting about a third up in the article. Below makes sense for GA other than Columbia county (bordering Augusta), not sure what's going on there?

Georgia

Athens-Clarke County
Atlanta
Columbia County
DeKalb County
Douglas County

[Edward64]

I've read about El Salvador (and Guantanamo) housing deported illegals if there's issues with their home countries taking them back, but NYT articles adds a couple more countries willing to do the internment.

Panama
Costa Rica

Trumps leverage on Panama is known, but seems weird that Costa Rica is accepting the illegals, I wonder what was the threat or quid pro quo. My speculation is El Salvador (e.g. with the real prisons) are for the illegal felons, and Panama and Costa Rica are for the non-felons. Article has different lists of nationals in the article but looks like Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, China and India so far.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/w...e=articleShare

When President Trump took office in January, his plan for sweeping deportations faced a major challenge: what to do with migrants from countries like Afghanistan, Iran and China where the United States cannot easily send deportees, because the other nations will not accept migrants or for other reasons.

Last week, the new administration found a solution: Export them to a country willing to take them in.

On Wednesday, U.S. officials began flying hundreds of people, including people from Asian, Middle Eastern and African countries, to Panama, which is under intense pressure to appease Mr. Trump, who has threatened to take over the Panama Canal.

Now it will be Panamanian officials who decide what happens to them.
:
Costa Rica announced on Monday that it would also receive a flight from the United States, carrying 200 deportees from Central Asia and India.

... have been locked in a soaring, glass-paneled hotel, the Decapolis Hotel Panama in Panama City, for nearly a week, while officials ready a camp near the jungle.

[flere-imsaho]

The dumbest, most expensive, deportation scheme ever, and it's not reaching even the numbers of the Biden Administration.

[Atocep]

An 11 year old girl in Texas took her own life after classmates threatened to report her family to ICE.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

List of sanctuary cities, counties, states starting about a third up in the article. Below makes sense for GA other than Columbia county (bordering Augusta), not sure what's going on there?

This goes back to something some independent research outfit did last year. Locals were confused as to how they got on the list ... HOWEVER, it took me less than five minutes of Googling to see exactly how they got on there.

Their jail is listed in a June 2024 ICE report as one " that currently continue custody per the Form I-247A, but do not provide adequate notification in order to arrange the orderly transfer of noncitizens to ERO custody". Identified as a "limited cooperation institution".

Now if I found that info in five minutes (literally clickable on the independent outfit's website) I'd like to think that the locals figured it out eventually.

But here's the initial WTH? from the locals from last fall
Access to this page has been denied

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But here's the initial WTH? from the locals from last fall
Access to this page has been denied

Ah, thanks for the clarification. It just jumped out to me as "off" so thanks for setting me straight.

[Edward64]

Good to see Guantanamo being a temporary stop for most.

More than 170 Venezuelan migrants deported to Guantanamo arrive home | CNN

A plane carrying 177 Venezuelan migrants, who were held in Guantanamo Bay after being deported from the US, arrived in Venezuela on Thursday, nearly emptying the naval base of the migrants sent there after President Donald Trump’s inauguration.

Good sign, I guess? But probably too soon to tell with Venezuela (and some others south of the border) how smoothly the repatriation will go as this continues.

The Venezuelan government said in a statement that it had requested the repatriation of Venezuelan nationals who were “unjustly taken to the Guantanamo naval base.”

Some stats ...

Of the deportees, 126 people had criminal charges or convictions – including 80 allegedly affiliated with Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua – a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said. The spokesperson added that 51 had no criminal record.

[Lathum]

177 in 30 days, so roughly 6 per day. Awesome ROI.

[Edward64]

More than 170 Venezuelan migrants deported to Guantanamo arrive home | CNN

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem decided not to grant an extension of TPS, reversing a decision made by Biden’s DHS and leaving some 600,000 people in limbo.

More on TPS below link & list of TPS nos. by country. Venezuela (344k), El Salvador (180k), and Haiti (200k) are largest by far. TPS status are not open ended, they do have expiration dates.

So, not illegals, not immigrants, but allowed to work.

Fact Sheet: Temporary Protected Status (TPS) - National Immigration Forum

The Secretary can designate a country for TPS due to:

• Ongoing armed conflict (such as civil war);
• An environmental disaster (such as earthquake or hurricane);
• an epidemic; or
• Other extraordinary and temporary conditions

In general, we should be welcoming the Afghanistan (8k) group. I mean, we frakking broke it. I can see extending Haiti since its still so messed up and regular folks seem to always be murdered. Have to read more about Venezuela, El Salvador etc.

It definitely really sucks to be them right now, caught up in the illegals mess.

[Atocep]

The Trump administration is going to massively scale back the use of Guantanamo for detaining migrants because it costs $27k per detainee just to transport them there.

Who could have seen this coming?

[Ghost Econ]

Math checks out

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The Trump administration is going to massively scale back the use of Guantanamo for detaining migrants because it costs $27k per detainee just to transport them there.

Who could have seen this coming?

Trump’s Botched Military Deportation Flights Are Already Being Scrapped

Here is a video from last month that explains why using military aircraft is more expensive and less efficient than the civilian aircraft that had been used by ICE throughout the previous administration.

wsj.com

[Edward64]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...nty-rcna193464

President Donald Trump said Thursday that he would soon make a decision on whether to revoke temporary legal status of Ukrainians who came to the U.S. during the war. “We’re certainly not looking to hurt them,” he said. “There were some people that think that’s appropriate, and some people don’t and I’ll be making a decision pretty soon.”

More than 280,000 Ukrainian immigrants resettled in the United States since 2022 through a Biden administration program called Uniting for Ukraine that has provided temporary humanitarian parole, allowing them to work in the country legally and not be at risk of deportation.

I guess Trump wants to deport white people too.

I have to believe other European countries will take them if this really happens.

[Edward64]

Personally, I'm okay with kicking out Khalil and Trump probably has enough case to do so (e.g. this guy was an organizer/leader of the protests).

As a F-1 student, I knew to keep my nose clean e.g. no DUI, stupid petty crimes like shoplifting, cause an incident in a bar, don't work outside of school etc. So, little sympathy for those F-1 visa students participating in a prolonged disruption. If it was a one-off, okay to me (e.g. hey, do you want to join and then let's go to the cafeteria).

And as a PR, I knew a felony (or being fired & unemployed) could mess up my process to citizenship. But never really read up on the "extent of risks" as a PR.

Interesting to see how this plays out for him and ones with the ones of lesser culpability, seems like there'll be a lot of greys with different severity levels.

What protections do green card holders and foreign students have in the U.S.? | PBS News

... that protection isn’t absolute. Green card holders can still be deported for committing certain crimes, failing to notify immigration officials of a change in address or engaging in marriage fraud, for example.

But experts say the federal government has fairly broad authority to arrest and try to deport a green card holder on terrorism grounds.

Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, green card holders do not need to be convicted of something to be “removable,” Kelley-Widmer said. They could be deported if the secretary of homeland security or the attorney general have reasonable grounds to believe they engaged in, or are likely to engage in, terrorist activities, she said.

If someone is in the country on a student visa, the State Department does have authority to revoke it if the person violates certain conditions. For example, said Florida immigration attorney John Gihon, it’s quite common for the State Department to cancel visas of foreign students who get arrested for drunk driving.

[kingfc22]

So leading a protest = terrorism.

But let’s release all the Jan 6 folks. Ffs

[Edward64]

Still to be decided the grounds for his deportation.

Below is another article.

Mahmoud Khalil, who helped lead Columbia student protests demanding a ceasefire in Gaza, arrested by ICE, attorney says | CNN

The Immigration and Nationality Act states “an alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.” The term “alien” refers to anyone who isn’t a citizen or national of the United States.

That provision of the law was used as grounds to detain Khalil, according to the official, who didn’t rule out it could be used in future cases as well.

Admittedly, pretty darn broad. But yeah, a non-US citizen is a guest in the country, so if you do something negative to get you on the front pages, its FAFO.

Khalil emailed interim university president Katrina Armstrong the night before his arrest to request her help in securing legal support and other protections following what he described as a “dehumanizing doxing campaign against him,” according to court documents.

Chuckled at this. Apparently, he didn't read about Trump cutting off (or threatening) Columbia's $400M from the government and Columbia's conciliatory response. He is frakked but hey, think of all the college students (citizens) that he discouraged from voting for Joe.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So leading a protest = terrorism.

But let’s release all the Jan 6 folks. Ffs

I'm going to guess that this is in response to all the muted posts I see around me. I gotta say, it's awesome to pop in every day and have the board littered with crap from fascist sympathizers.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

I'm going to guess that this is in response to all the muted posts I see around me. I gotta say, it's awesome to pop in every day and have the board littered with crap from fascist sympathizers.

The primary litter around here are the worse-than-useless socialists & the pro-terrorist contingent. On the bright side, nothing tastes better than coffee made with the tears of lunatic liberals.

All it takes is putting an actual human in charge in DC one in a while and the outpouring of angst is glorious. It's similar to how decent rational people have felt about watching all the efforts to destroy a once great nation.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

a once great nation.

You use this line all the time and again I ask. When was the nation last great to you? What specific time period?

[SirFozzie]

southern US, circa 1861

[cuervo72]

I'd again bring up the question of what year we're looking at for "great", and who it was great for.

I don't want to assume it's "whenever we could lynch, queerbash, and rape with impunity" but I mean, I might wind up there.

[JPhillips]

My guess is no later than 1964, but possibly no later than 1932.

[kingfc22]

You’re supposed to let him get there on his own. Because that is the obvious answer and one he will never provide.

[Danny]

For many im sure its before 1863

[sovereignstar v2]

Don't go too far back or you will forget to include the ethnic cleansing of the people that were actually indigenous to the land this great nation was founded upon

[cuervo72]

Also, make no mistake: I fully believe Edward would be willing to argue the merits of all of the above with a little push, if not already.

[RainMaker]

There's no time period you can return to in American history where a deeply closeted man wouldn't feel shame over his own desires. When you accept that's where his angsty teenage edgelord stuff comes from, it's a little easier to understand the person.

The irony is that liberals mostly supported this too. They called him a terrorist all last year. But I guess with how things have gone the first 8 weeks, right-wingers have to grasp at any victory they can find.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Admittedly, pretty darn broad. But yeah, a non-US citizen is a guest in the country, so if you do something negative to get you on the front pages, its FAFO.

Imagine if Obama or Biden had done this to Sebastian Gorka, to pick a name at random.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Imagine if Obama or Biden had done this to Sebastian Gorka, to pick a name at random.

I looked over Gorka's wiki page and don't see the equivalence. Gorka does a lot of talking but not much/if any "doing" (e.g. inciting), and is a US citizen. Feel free to correct me/post links if I missed something there or share your thoughts on why Gorka is a good equivalence?

Sebastian Gorka - Wikipedia

But let's say someone like Proud Boys Henry Tarrio was a F-1 student or PR, and led (or not just an incidental participant) in Jan 6. Yeah, Obama or Biden (or heck, any President) should kick him out. But then also fair odds that a Dem president back then would have taken the more touch-feely or ignore route.

Basically, if you are legal status but not a US citizen in the US, enjoy the privilege, opportunities and day-to-day life and ... be a good guest. "The tallest grass gets cut" or more applicable, "the biggest weed gets roundup" (e.g based on my gardening experience, the smaller weeds get ignored, can't kill them all).

With that said, I look forward to the next Dem president + Congress whenever that may be and seeing what happens. I fully expect "payback" for Trump 2.0 such as reversing much of Trump's policies. And for this thread, including much of Trump's hardline approach to illegal immigration.

[Ghost Econ]

So much efficiency.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-guantan...ck-usa-2044018

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

So much efficiency.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-guantan...ck-usa-2044018

"Really it's 16 million to ensure our base thinks we're doing evil things to illegal immigrants, and that's cheap at that price."

[RainMaker]

Torturing legal residents now.

Green card holder from New Hampshire 'interrogated' at Logan Airport, detained | New Hampshire Public Radio

[JPhillips]

They are doing their best to absolutely collapse international tourism. Who feels safe visiting on a visa right now?

[Edward64]

No problem in him being stopped and questioned based on his history.

But if he really was "tortured", that is definitely bad. But I'd wait on a corroborating source other than mom. Because it was at an airport, I'd hope there's a bunch of videos.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

No problem in him being stopped and questioned based on his history.

History being a small amount of weed in a state where it's now legal?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

History being a small amount of weed in a state where it's now legal?

As I've mentioned before, you don't want to mess around when you are a guest in a country. Missing a court date probably isn't a big deal to citizens, but yeah, as an immigrant, that's pretty stupid.

He missed a hearing about the case in 2022 since a notice was never forwarded to his new address. Senior mentioned that Schmidt is successfully recovering from alcoholism, and had a DUI that he’s completely worked through and paid off from around ten years ago.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

As I've mentioned before, you don't want to mess around when you are a guest in a country. Missing a court date probably isn't a big deal to citizens, but yeah, as an immigrant, that's pretty stupid.

I missed the DUI part, but this is still an enormous waste of resources that was done just to scare people. Unless an immigration judge ordered this (and it sounds like one did not), there's nothing about this process that's going to lead to his deportation or anything else. He's here legally. There are legal processes to follow and this is more likely to lead to a lawsuit and settlement that's even more of a waste of resources.

You can't hold the stance that this guy needs to follow the laws or face the consequences while at the same time ignoring the fact that laws and processes weren't followed in detaining him.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I missed the DUI part, but this is still an enormous waste of resources that was done just to scare people. Unless an immigration judge ordered this (and it sounds like one did not), there's nothing about this process that's going to lead to his deportation or anything else. He's here legally. There are legal processes to follow and this is more likely to lead to a lawsuit and settlement that's even more of a waste of resources.

You can't hold the stance that this guy needs to follow the laws or face the consequences while at the same time ignoring the fact that laws and processes weren't followed in detaining him.

Just so you know, immigration and CBP can pretty much stop any immigrant within 100 miles of the border (and yeah, Logan airport definitely qualifies). More info below

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...rule_final.pdf

So, it was perfectly legal to stop, question, detain the guy.


We don't know what happened after, we only have the mothers POV. If he was "tortured" definitely bad, and yeah I'd sue. And if there is corroborating evidence, I'm sure MSM will report on it (and there'll likely be videos).

[Atocep]

Another person unnecessarily detained.

Canadian woman detained by ICE being used as ‘example,’ immigration experts warn | Globalnews.ca

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Just so you know, immigration and CBP can pretty much stop any immigrant within 100 miles of the border (and yeah, Logan airport definitely qualifies). More info below

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f...rule_final.pdf

So, it was perfectly legal to stop, question, detain the guy.


We don't know what happened after, we only have the mothers POV. If he was "tortured" definitely bad, and yeah I'd sue. And if there is corroborating evidence, I'm sure MSM will report on it (and there'll likely be videos).

What it comes down to is he's still in custody for missing a court date in 2022 for a charge that was dismissed because weed is legal in that state right now.

He's a green card holder that's here legally and hasn't done anything a judge that an immigration judge has ordered puts his legal status in jeopardy.

You continue to cheer on dodge while at the same time cheering on obvious, massive wastes of resources and giving the absolute worst of people the benefit of the doubt while doubting anyone that isn't a naturalized citizen of this country.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

What it comes down to is he's still in custody for missing a court date in 2022 for a charge that was dismissed because weed is legal in that state right now.

His status was flagged when he came back. I doubt it was for MJ but more because he missed his court date. He may have a legit explanation for that, but all ICE had at the time was his record was flagged.

He's a green card holder that's here legally and hasn't done anything a judge that an immigration judge has ordered puts his legal status in jeopardy.

We actually don't know that. Was, the DUI a felony, did someone get injured or were there a lot of damages? Did he report his drug use and/or DUI on his green card application? etc.

Depending on the circumstances, his green card may well be in jeopardy if he lied on the application.

(And for the record, I personally think Harry lied on his green card application about drug use, and if true, should be kicked out)

You continue to cheer on dodge while at the same time cheering on obvious, massive wastes of resources and giving the absolute worst of people the benefit of the doubt while doubting anyone that isn't a naturalized citizen of this country.

I assume you are referring to the "torture". If true, no excuses and those guys should be fired.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

As I've mentioned before, you don't want to mess around when you are a guest in a country. Missing a court date probably isn't a big deal to citizens, but yeah, as an immigrant, that's pretty stupid.

A permanent resident isn't a guest. You should learn these basic things before commenting on them.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

History being a small amount of weed in a state where it's now legal?

I think they're targeting the weaker cases for a reason. They want to be able to remove permanent residents on a whim. If you can revoke green cards over a misdemeanor or traffic violation, you more or less ended the program as it was intended.

Take the Khalil case for example. They could have picked someone who actually transacted with terrorists, cartels, or extemist groups. They could have swooped up someone at a Nasrallah vigil. You likely wouldn't get much pushback. But they chose Khalil because the case is so weak. If they succeed, they can officially base your status on whether you show fealty to the President and more importantly, Israel.

And from there it opens up the door to naturalized citizens, which Trump has expressed his desire to target. Throw in attempts at removing birthright citizenship and you get to a point where the government has full power over the population and can remove anyone they want for any reason. That's the goal.

[flere-imsaho]

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

A permanent resident isn't a guest. You should learn these basic things before commenting on them.

Fair enough, I was using the word colloquially, but if you didn't understand that, then I'm telling you now.

If you can be kicked out, you are a guest. And permanent residents can be kicked out, legally for various reasons, including lying on the application form.

And yes, naturalized citizens who lie on their applications, can also be kicked out, legally (e.g. hopefully, if confirmed, Harry also).

[Edward64]

Unfortunate, but not going to disagree that the legal process should be followed. Trump will no doubt continue to challenge/interpret law and chip away especially at the edges, so judicial checks is a good thing (especially since Dems seem hopeless right now).

Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump’s ability to quickly deport noncitizens under Alien Enemies Act | CNN Politics

A federal judge temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s ability to use a sweeping wartime authority to quickly deport some migrants whom the US has accused of being affiliated with the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.

The judge also ordered any planes in the air carrying some of those migrants to turn back to the US.

Earlier Saturday, the Trump administration invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which gives the president tremendous authority to target and remove undocumented immigrants, to speed up the deportations of migrants. The law is designed to be invoked if the US is at war with another country, or a foreign nation has invaded the US or threatened to do so.

We'll see what happens in a couple weeks or so, if not sooner.

The judge said the temporary restraining order will remain in effect for 14 days “or until further order of the court.” He set another hearing in the case for later this month.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Another person unnecessarily detained.

Canadian woman detained by ICE being used as ‘example,’ immigration experts warn | Globalnews.ca

Much better case to review than the other one. This one has more MSM attention and more details vs a mom's upset POV (understandably so). I found several Canadian articles, one from DM and NY Post, but this reddit post has a good summary

Blocked

Additionally, nice quote from mom

Eagles said she acknowledges that her daughter "did not make a good decision, that she probably should not have tried to enter the States…. We don't deny that she was detained because of the way she tried to enter the States."

Basically, tried to skirt the law ... classic FAFO. Good to see it applies to white foreigners too.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If you can be kicked out, you are a guest. And permanent residents can be kicked out, legally for various reasons, including lying on the application form.

OK, let's start with Melania.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

OK, let's start with Melania.

Also, Musk.

Elon Musk worked in US illegally in 1995 after quitting school – report | Elon Musk | The Guardian

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

OK, let's start with Melania.

I'm good with both Melania and Musk.

But dealing in the "real" world and the limitations of that, Harry get my vote.