FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I mean cops. Especially those right inside a convention center or wherever they were.

Have you ever been to NYC?

[cuervo72]

I mean, it took a day to hunt down that 62yo overweight subway shooter last year. And by hunt down, I mean pick him up at the McDonald's after he called and told cops where he was.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Isn't there another thread on this board right now about a potential Good Samaritan in New York being on trial?

That's ridiculous. It is more like who wants to confront a guy with a gun? Unless he is coming at you, why are you risking your life?

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Have you ever been to NYC?

It was 7 am. It's not at all surprising that he was able to blend in and disappear.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That's ridiculous. It is more like who wants to confront a guy with a gun? Unless he is coming at you, why are you risking your life?

Obviously there's an equation of reasonable action vs meaningless sacrifice, but if you saw the hit and the opening was there to take down the shooter how do you look at yourself in the mirror the next day if you don't?

If you aren't willing to take a reasonably calculated risk to do the right thing, I really don't know that's a life with any sort of meaning.

YMMV but I don't get the philosophy you mentioned ... and I'm thankful beyond words that I don't.

[Ben E Lou]

The lady who ran away because, you know, there was an active shooter like 10 feet from her, is the only other pedestrian who can be seen in the 30ish second clip that I saw. Two cars drove by, but there was a line of parked cars between the shooter and the road, likely partially or fully obstructing those drivers’ views if they even happened to be looking in that direction. It appears there was at least one person in one of the cars by the side of the road, but dude used a silencer, so again, if that person wasn’t looking in the direction of the killing, there’s a pretty good chance they’d be unaware as well. Things could change, but so far there’s no public indication that anyone other than the lady who ran saw the incident.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If you aren't willing to take a reasonably calculated risk to do the right thing, I really don't know that's a life with any sort of meaning.

OK, but what if the victim was Paul Pelosi?

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

The lady who ran away because, you know, there was an active shooter like 10 feet from her, is the only other pedestrian who can be seen in the 30ish second clip that I saw.

I haven't seen the video, but that's really odd. Every Fortune 500 company I've worked for has had at least one security person with the CEO at all times in public.

[sovereignstar v2]

About a month ago I watched a subway CCTV video that started with a man harassing two young Muslim girls. Several people intervined and two of them ended up getting stabbed to death by the man. One was an Army medic.

But if you want to live with yourself that's the kind of sacrifice you are going to need to make, obviously

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I haven't seen the video, but that's really odd. Every Fortune 500 company I've worked for has had at least one security person with the CEO at all times in public.

He was most definitely alone. Casually walking. I just re-watched, and the last 8ish seconds of the video, the gunman is walking away with his back to the location of the incident, and no one is heading toward the fallen victim—another reason I tend to think no one but the lady saw it as it happened.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Obviously there's an equation of reasonable action vs meaningless sacrifice, but if you saw the hit and the opening was there to take down the shooter how do you look at yourself in the mirror the next day if you don't?

If you aren't willing to take a reasonably calculated risk to do the right thing, I really don't know that's a life with any sort of meaning.

YMMV but I don't get the philosophy you mentioned ... and I'm thankful beyond words that I don't.

If I were armed, in a position to get a good shot before he saw me, sure. I'm I going to play "gun fight at the OK Corral" with a guy that has already has a gun drawn and looks like he knows how to use it? I'm not interested in becoming a statistic for no reason.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

The lady who ran away because, you know, there was an active shooter like 10 feet from her, is the only other pedestrian who can be seen in the 30ish second clip that I saw. Two cars drove by, but there was a line of parked cars between the shooter and the road, likely partially or fully obstructing those drivers’ views if they even happened to be looking in that direction. It appears there was at least one person in one of the cars by the side of the road, but dude used a silencer, so again, if that person wasn’t looking in the direction of the killing, there’s a pretty good chance they’d be unaware as well. Things could change, but so far there’s no public indication that anyone other than the lady who ran saw the incident.

I saw an interview of an older A-A man who described witnessing the shooting and watching him run off. Unclear how far away he was, but it sounded like he was at least on the other side of the street.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

It was 7 am. It's not at all surprising that he was able to blend in and disappear.

thats my point. That time of day there are tens of thousands of douches in hoodies on ebikes.

[Lathum]

I witness that or any other shooting and I am alone I am running as fast as I can the other way.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I witness that or any other shooting and I am alone I am running as fast as I can the other way.

Exactly. If this is some kind of mass shooter situation and you can get a drop, then sure. But I'm not playing Batman on an armed assassin.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I saw an interview of an older A-A man who described witnessing the shooting and watching him run off. Unclear how far away he was, but it sounded like he was at least on the other side of the street.

Interesting. The shooter was standing quite close to an SUV and it appears that his arm height while firing was well below the top of the vehicle. I would’ve thought it’d be next to impossible to see what was happening from ground level on the other side because of that SUV, but maybe not.

[Ben E Lou]

DOLA: I wonder if he saw the guy slumped over, saw the shooter emerge between the cars, then later the surveillance video filled in the gaps.

[sovereignstar v2]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I witness that or any other shooting and I am alone I am running as fast as I can the other way.

It's too bad you aren't Jack Reacher like jimga

[GrantDawg]

This reminds me of the time when a friend of mine while we were in high school was working for a grocery store that got robbed by two guys with shot guns. He was on the floor at his register when the guy came by, and he thought about trying to tackle him. He then thought he liked breathing too much.

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[HerRealName]

I was going to ask if anyone could think of a criminal that has received so much sympathy because it almost reminds me of a Jesse James or some other outlaw like that. I came to my senses and I don't think that question needs answered.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Obviously there's an equation of reasonable action vs meaningless sacrifice, but if you saw the hit and the opening was there to take down the shooter how do you look at yourself in the mirror the next day if you don't?

If you aren't willing to take a reasonably calculated risk to do the right thing, I really don't know that's a life with any sort of meaning.

YMMV but I don't get the philosophy you mentioned ... and I'm thankful beyond words that I don't.

That only works if you believe shooting the shooter is the right thing to do and if the victim is worthy of you taking the calculated risk that comes with taking down the shooter. That latter may be significantly more important for most of us than the former now that I think about.

[GrantDawg]

Brian Thompson, 50 and from Atlanta. I was friends with a Brian Thompson, but he died three years ago. I have a feeling it wasn't him.

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[Edward64]

It's always that second head that messes up males.

The man lowers “his mask and gives a big smile,” Miller said — a flirtatious moment between the man and a female employee at a hostel on New York’s Upper West Side.

Came from a bus from Atlanta. Wasn't me, I only go to OH for the animal sacrifices to Hermes.

According to police sources who spoke to CNN, the suspect had arrived in the city aboard a Greyhound bus from Atlanta on November 24, ten days before Wednesday's shooting.

[GrantDawg]

They are saying now it is possible that he got on the bus at another stop, not necessarily from Atlanta, and that it might not have been the subject.

[flere-imsaho]

Looks a lot like Timothee Chamalet (or however you spell his name).

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Exactly. If this is some kind of mass shooter situation and you can get a drop, then sure. But I'm not playing Batman on an armed assassin.

oh come on....turn into Dawgman and put on your cape!

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh come on....turn into Dawgman and put on your cape!

Who is that fat man, lurking in the shadows...
DAWGMAN!

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Looks a lot like Timothee Chamalet (or however you spell his name).

Well then being in Atlanta makes sense since he's picking games on Gameday Saturday.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Looks a lot like Timothee Chamalet (or however you spell his name).

wasn't it Timothy McVay?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh come on....turn into Dawgman and put on your cape!

No cape

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Looks a lot like Timothee Chamalet (or however you spell his name).

Why couldn't they just have said Bob Dylan...
And why are we even talking about this shooting in this thread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

It's too bad you aren't Jack Reacher like jimga

I allowed for making calculations.

Sorry if that's too much of being even a decent human being, much less having any legitimate claim to being a man, for you to cope with.

I'm not the least bit sorry for the sentiment however.

[sovereignstar v2]

You couldn't be a bigger imposter if you tried

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

You couldn't be a bigger imposter if you tried

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

[GrantDawg]

Not guilty for Daniel Penny. I just trust the process. The jury saw the whole breakdown of events, and if that is the verdict then that is the verdict.

[Ksyrup]

They've taken someone in for questioning in PA in the UHC CEO murder investigation, having to do with the unique type of gun its believed he used. Interestingly, the bus stop they know he went to had busses going to Boston, DC and ... Philadelphia.

[JPhillips]

Gonna ban masks in NYC, but we aren't going to do shit about guns.

lol

[JPhillips]

I can't believe the media is trying to make something sinister out of playing Among Us.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I can't believe the media is trying to make something sinister out of playing Among Us.

I never played Among Us, but from when I saw my kids play, it reminded me of a dumbed down Werewolf game. Uh oh..

[Edward64]

Yeah, some heads should roll for this. Seem like only a couple of them doing the kicking and punching, but lots of other idiots standing around doing nothing.

New York correctional officers repeatedly struck handcuffed inmate, picked him up by his neck, new video shows | Fox News

[GrantDawg]

Police shot a teenager, then later in the day his dad rams a deputies car, killing the deputy.
https://apnews.com/article/cincinnat...source=Bluesky


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[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Police shot a teenager, then later in the day his dad rams a deputies car, killing the deputy.
Man whose son was killed by Cincinnati police now charged in death of deputy | AP News


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I get being mad, sad and upset, but that dad, if he did it on purpose, which it sure looks like he did, probably shouldn't get to hang around the planet. His kid was running and brandishing a gun when he got killed. That cop was on the side of the road, controlling the stop lights prior to the U of Cincinnati commencement.

[Passacaglia]

The video did not clearly show Hinton pointing a gun.

Good chance the dad doesn't care if he gets to hang around the planet.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I get being mad, sad and upset, but that dad, if he did it on purpose, which it sure looks like he did, probably shouldn't get to hang around the planet. His kid was running and brandishing a gun when he got killed. That cop was on the side of the road, controlling the stop lights prior to the U of Cincinnati commencement.

Yeah, it is sad for sure, two of our best friends kid (Who I coached in HS) was shot by police a couple of years ago, he lived and is currently in prison. But the Dad asked me to watch the body video, which was almost 4 hours total between all officers involved and it was heart wrenching. Telling them that the shooting looked legit was one of the hardest things I have had to tell someone, but I was being honest and it was legit unfortunately.

I get the pain of watching that footage, but your kid was in a stolen car with a gun and then you decide to get revenge for a situation your kid put himself in by killing a retired officer just working a side gig. So yeah, fuck that guy.

[CrimsonFox]

https://www.fox9.com/news/police-swa...ng-minneapolis

Ice shot a woman in her car and wouldn't let a doctor help her

[cuervo72]

"DHS says the woman who was shot was struck and has died. The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to recover, officials add."

Well yeah, because none of them were fucking hurt.

[GrantDawg]

This is where I will get people angry, but it was a justifiable shooting. She drove the car at the cop, or at least close enough that he can claim self defense. The fact that they didn't allow her to have medical assistance is another matter all together, and they should lose their jobs for that. But if a police officer (even one of these yokels) tells you to stop and get out of the car, stop and get out of the car. They might shoot you anyway, but they are for sure going to shoot you if you drive your car at them.


Edit: watched the video multiple times. At best you can say the second shot was after the car was pulling past him, but that first shot was when the officer is right at the driver-side head light. The defense is going to be that officers are trained to shoot to kill, the driver was still behind the wheel of a deadly vehicle. I would say there is almost no chance he will get charged.

[RainMaker]

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

That's the second shot. Freeze frame the first shot.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

That's the second shot. Freeze frame the first shot.

[JPhillips]

I have no doubt he'll get away with it, but that was a terrible shooting. You have the plate, so go charge her later. Cops are way too likely to escalate the situation than de-escalate. Firing a bunch of shots in a residential area over an inconvenience is a terrible procedure.