The latest rumour on Dallas radio is...

[JeeberD]

Patrick Ramsey to Dallas for the Cowboys #22 first round pick. That's all they've been talking about at all today...

First of all, why would Washington do that? Even if they sign Brunell, he's not a kid. Why not keep a youngster in the wings for when Brunell is done?

Second, if it was available for Dallas, would that be the wisest thing to do with their first round pick? I think there are several positions on the team where they need help more than Quarterback. Runnning back, defensive end, and O-line all need major work. I think that Q can keep the team running and win games again next year if they fix some of those issues.

What do y'all think about this rumour?

[albionmoonlight]

I have not seen Ramsey enough to know whether he has shown that he is NFL caliber. However, IF he has shown that he is a good QB when he is not put in an impossible situation like the end of last year (most Skins fans on the board seem to think that he is), then I think that it would be a great trade for Dallas.

[Ksyrup]

Maybe Gibbs is going to stick around just long enough to win again, and retire. Brunell for 3 more years, then who gives a crap, is probably what Gibbs is thinking.

[The_herd]

Ramsey is a bargin for a #22 pick. I don't think they could get a player any better than him at that slot this season. I also think he's a guy that Parcell's would love, he's tough, and very well could end up being his Phil Simms.

Past history says its not wise to pick a running back or D-Lineman late in the 1st round, so to get a potential impact QB would be a wise decision IMO. Q-Carter isn't going to keep this team going at the same pace they were going last season. They get a tougher schedule, and Q didn't show much against good defenses. His accuracy and decision making skills leave a lot to be desired, and I have a feeling we are going to see Parcell's choke slam his ass if he has to put up with another season of the boneheaded mistakes he's prone to making.

[Peregrine]

Gah I would so hate to see this as a Redskins fan. I'm a big Ramsey guy, I've been hoping to see him the Skins QB for years to come.

[Pyser]

the day dallas and washington trade together is the day hell freezes over.

[Calis]

I would weep openly if this happened.

I'm a Redskins fan and think Ramsey is a very good young QB. Trade him to DALLAS? Ughh, I hope that doesn't happen. We've lost to Dallas enough over the last few years, don't need the added pain of having our young QB star in the making helping them do it.

[Draft Dodger]

Dalls would make out like a bandit on this - I'm sure if it does happen, it involves much more going back to Washington.

still don't get the Redskins dumping Ramsey for Brunell, but I guess that's why I'm not the GM of a football team.

[stevew]

Man, if all Ramsey costs is the #22 pick, If Im pittsburgh, Im dumping #11 for a later first round pick and a 3rd, and then shipping that pick off for Ramsey. Kids a touch short, but hes got heart. Just needs a better line.

[Ryche]

Man, if all Ramsey costs is the #22 pick, If Im pittsburgh, Im dumping #11 for a later first round pick and a 3rd, and then shipping that pick off for Ramsey. Kids a touch short, but hes got heart. Just needs a better line.

That was my thought exactly, even straight up for the #11 would be worthwhile. If not Pittsburgh, then Green Bay and Miami should both be on the phone with Washington.

[cthomer5000]

From what I've seen, Ramsey is certainly worth a #22 pick.

[jamesUMD]

If the Redskins traded Ramsey to Dallas for their next 10 years 1st rounders, it still would not be worth it!!!!!!!!

[Bubba Wheels]

Maybe Drew Henson is playing into this somehows, affecting some behind-the-scenes manuevering.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Ryche

That was my thought exactly, even straight up for the #11 would be worthwhile. If not Pittsburgh, then Green Bay and Miami should both be on the phone with Washington.

I suppose the cap implication of not having to pay pick #11 type money would be definately worth it for Pitts. Why does everyone seem to think GB always needs a QB. I think Favre can keep playing for 4-5 more years.

[Franklinnoble]

No way. Even Danny Snyder can't possibly be this stupid...

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by stevew

I suppose the cap implication of not having to pay pick #11 type money would be definately worth it for Pitts. Why does everyone seem to think GB always needs a QB. I think Favre can keep playing for 4-5 more years.

It's not can he, but does he want to.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ramsey is definitely worth the 22nd pick and I would have to say this would become #1 on Snyder's list of most stupid moves if he made this trade.

[RawIsDan]

This is what I miss about living in Texas. Listen to the radio shows for nuggets. Be interesting to see if this is true and what comes out of it.

[Peregrine]

Another interesting tidbit for this thread, in a Washington Post article about Ramsey being unhappy about the possible trade for Brunell...

"Gibbs's meeting with Brunell has sparked inquiries from NFL teams about Ramsey's availability in a trade. According to a league source last night, the Miami Dolphins have offered a high draft pick for the quarterback. But at Redskins Park yesterday, Gibbs said Ramsey would remain with the Redskins.

"We think Ramsey has a great future," Gibbs said. "He's not going anywhere. He knows that, too."

[Travis]

From a fantasy football point of view, it might just be enough to make Ramsey a keeper for me, having Galloway and Glenn to throw to. Yes, the rest of my team is that bad (took it over half way through last season), but it could make for a few huge weeks from the kid.

[Rich1033]

Originally Posted by Pyser

the day dallas and washington trade together is the day hell freezes over.

This is the same thing that went through my mind. Even if we all agreed it would be great for both teams, I just dont see it happening.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Rich1033

This is the same thing that went through my mind. Even if we all agreed it would be great for both teams, I just dont see it happening.

Especially with Gibbs in the mix now.. Gibbs would NEVER trade a future franchise QB to Dallas, it just won't happen...

[Darkiller]

I don't see that happening for the very simple reason that the 1st basic rule in NFL trading is:

- YOU SHALL NOT TRADE A PLAYER TO A DIVISIONAL RIVAL.

...and even more when you're talking about the all-important QB position.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Darkiller

I don't see that happening for the very simple reason that the 1st basic rule in NFL trading is:

- YOU SHALL NOT TRADE A PLAYER TO A DIVISIONAL RIVAL.

...and even more when you're talking about the all-important QB position.

Well, if you were incredibly confident that the guy wasn't good enough, why not make the trade?

Frankly, the Drew Bledsoe trade has worked out pretty damn well for New England.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Originally Posted by RawIsDan

This is what I miss about living in Texas. Listen to the radio shows for nuggets. Be interesting to see if this is true and what comes out of it.

You aren't missing anything in this case.. it's complete bull.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by Travis

From a fantasy football point of view, it might just be enough to make Ramsey a keeper for me, having Galloway and Glenn to throw to. Yes, the rest of my team is that bad (took it over half way through last season), but it could make for a few huge weeks from the kid.

Joey is probably going to be cut.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Darkiller

I don't see that happening for the very simple reason that the 1st basic rule in NFL trading is:

- YOU SHALL NOT TRADE A PLAYER TO A DIVISIONAL RIVAL.

...and even more when you're talking about the all-important QB position.

Yeah NE really got screwed in that deal...

[Darkiller]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Well, if you were incredibly confident that the guy wasn't good enough, why not make the trade?

Frankly, the Drew Bledsoe trade has worked out pretty damn well for New England.

sure there's always the "why not" stuff. but in general, that doesn't happen.
In fact, I'm pretty confident in saying that the Bledsoe trade within the AFC East in one of a handful in league history for such a prominent player, at this position, being traded within his own division.

Also -and that was obviously taken into account- Bledsoe was on the down edge of his career (at least in the eyes of the Patriots) while Ramsey is a young, promising player with still a lot of room for improvement.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to trade him to a division rival.
Imagine Ramsey quarterbacking the Cowboys againts the Redskins twice a year and routing them bad each time...that's too risky.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Yeah but Quincy Carter swept the Redskins, I don't think it gets any worse than that if you are a Redskin fan.

[rkmsuf]

If I'm Gibbs and looking to win it within his short window I'd prefer Brunell hands down...

[albionmoonlight]

It probably says something that this trade was talked about on Dallas talk radio. Hometown media always have rumors about unbalanced trades that would benefit their teams.

I'm sure that if I turned on the local radio here that I'd hear a rumor about the Saints and Colts trading Brooks for Manning and swapping first round picks. They don't get you to listen by saying stuff that you don't want to hear.

[The_herd]

Trading to a divisional rival isn't as big a deal as in a sport like baseball. I for one wouldn't pass over a good deal if it were a rival in my division. Trading actual players in the NFL is a rare event, so you need to take the best offer out there, regarless of who your partner is.

[cincyreds]

Ramsey is an upgrade over Quincy for sure.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by cincyreds

Ramsey is an upgrade over Quincy for sure.

So are 99% of all quarterbacks currently on NFL rosters...

[Darkiller]

dola :

what about FOF for that matter ?
do you trade your homegrown QBs to your division rivals ???
basically, I forbid myself to...again, too risky.

BUT (my bad for the record) once I had this QB, Austin Owens whom I drafted in the 2nd round in the wake of Brock Sheriff's retirement with the purpose of making him a valuable backup QB to my new starter (Chad Dimitrenko) and eventually, being able to trade him for a future 1st round pick.

The thing is: starter Dimentrenko was injury prone and missed half the season two years in a row. I was forced to play Austin Owens and he was a complete disaster in these fill-in duties:

A disaster in year 2, a disaster in year 3...and after I got rid of injury prone Dimitrenko, I thought then starting Owens would actually be a good thing because he'd be in his 4th Pro season (almost maxed out and everything) and it turned out to be perhaps the worst QB decision I ever made.

In his first and only full season as a starter for San Francisco, Owens finished with a rating of 58.8.
Of course, I had seen enough and managed to trade this underachiever to a division rival....that was THE mistake.

why ? because in the next 5 years that followed, Austin Owens led his team to the SuperBowl twice and earned a couple of NFL MVP awards...just that.
I can tell you I'll never, ever, trade another of my QBs to a division rival after what happened there...

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Darkiller

dola :

what about FOF for that matter ?
do you trade your homegrown QBs to your division rivals ???
basically, I forbid myself to...again, too risky.

BUT (my bad for the record) once I had this QB, Austin Owens whom I drafted in the 2nd round in the wake of Brock Sheriff's retirement with the purpose of making him a valuable backup QB to my new starter (Chad Dimitrenko) and eventually, being able to trade him for a future 1st round pick.

The thing is: starter Dimentrenko was injury prone and missed half the season two years in a row. I was forced to play Austin Owens and he was a complete disaster in these fill-in duties:

A disaster in year 2, a disaster in year 3...and after I got rid of injury prone Dimitrenko, I thought then starting Owens would actually be a good thing because he'd be in his 4th Pro season (almost maxed out and everything) and it turned out to be perhaps the worst QB decision I ever made.

In his first and only full season as a starter for San Francisco, Owens finished with a rating of 58.8.
Of course, I had seen enough and managed to trade this underachiever to a division rival....that was THE mistake.

why ? because in the next 5 years that followed, Austin Owens led his team to the SuperBowl twice and earned a couple of NFL MVP awards...just that.
I can tell you I'll never, ever, trade another of my QBs to a division rival after what happened there...

That is gross misuse of the term "dola"...

[Darkiller]

LOL
actually I wrote that "dola" a couple of hours ago and then I had a meeting at the office and cameback to finish my story..and got carried away a little bit with my story ;-)

[Kodos]

It looks like the Dolphins have entered the Ramsey sweepstakes.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front


Report: Dolphins offer top pick for Redskins QB

By KEVEN LERNER
Sun-Sentinel.com
Posted February 11 2004, 11:21 AM EST

The Dolphins have offered their first-round draft pick (No. 20 overall) for Redskins quarterback Patrick Ramsey, according to the Washington Post.

According to the report, Redskins coach Joe Gibbs's meeting with Jaguars quarterback Mark Brunell has sparked inquiries from NFL teams about Ramsey's availability in a trade.

The newspaper also states that Ramsey expressed his frustration to the team Tuesday about the possibility of Brunell replacing him as a starter, but Gibbs said earlier in the day Ramsey would remain with the Redskins.

"We think Ramsey has a great future," Gibbs told the Post. "He's not going anywhere. ... Listen, everybody on the team is going to have to compete for starting jobs."

Washington drafted Ramsey as the last pick in the first round two years ago, but he was plagued by injuries last season, and Gibbs' history is that he prefers a veteran quarterback.

Ramsey has a relatively cheap contract that expires in 2006, meaning that the Redskins could afford to keep him as a reserve if Brunell becomes the starter.

Along with the Redskins, the Dolphins and Chargers also have expressed interest in acquiring Brunell.

The price for Brunell has been increasing and now appears to be a second-round draft pick. The Dolphins are considered Brunell's preferred destination, but they don't have a second-round selection this year.

The Dolphins, who have yet to commit to Jay Fiedler, have been searching for a new starter.

[rkmsuf]

I don't know...Ramsey is ok but the Dolphins have other needs...

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I don't know...Ramsey is ok but the Dolphins have other needs...

Well, the "rumors on the street" about them is that they are planning on letting both Griese and Fiedler go.

Now, doesn't QB become a need?

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Well, the "rumors on the street" about them is that they are planning on letting both Griese and Fiedler go.

Now, doesn't QB become a need?

In that case yes but no one is forcing them to release these guys.

They should apply the same logic to the QBs as they do to Wannestat...great overall record; let's bring him back...

[Subby]

Look - Ramsey is not going anywhere. Gibbs said those very words.

Ramsey is cheap through 2006. Worse comes to worse he gets mentored by Brunell for the next few seasons...