Greatest Hockey Dynasty

Hurst2112 · 02-26-2004, 07:44 PM

Any thoughts?

ice4277 · 02-26-2004, 07:46 PM

Something involving the Avalanche team plane crashing into the Blues' team bus

ice4277 · 02-26-2004, 07:47 PM

dola

I mean, if you were writing a hockey dynasty for a game.

Best real-life dynasty, probably the Canadiens back in the day.

Hurst2112 · 02-26-2004, 07:51 PM

back in which day. I would have to say the bowman coached run, actually maybe the one before that

Hurst2112 · 02-26-2004, 07:54 PM

It's a long shot, but I hope that EHM will have the ability to have teams from dynasties go against each other in a playoff form...sort of like madden's hidden teams in a tournament. This would be fun.

ice4277 · 02-26-2004, 07:54 PM

Sorry, I posted before the poll was up. I would tend to agree about the Bowman era; I am not as familiar with the earlier era, but I think you could stake a decent claim for the '50s era also. I would put the Oilers from the 80's in 3rd, behind the two Canadiens dynasties I have mentioned.

MizzouRah · 02-26-2004, 07:57 PM

Edmonton baby!

Todd

timmae · 02-26-2004, 08:29 PM

has to, I mean HAS TO BE the oilers. They won and they were awesome. Just dominated the competition. I wish I would have been a fan back then!!!

klayman · 02-26-2004, 09:19 PM

I wonder who I picked

Draft Dodger · 02-26-2004, 09:36 PM

interesting that of the 3 post-70s dynasties, only Montreal won their division each of the Stanley Cup years. And 3 out of those 4 years Montreal had the best regular season record overall (missing it by 1 point the final year).

Meanwhile, on two occasions each, the Islanders and Oilers weren't even the best team in their division during the regular season, but still went on to win the Cup.

General Mike · 02-26-2004, 10:26 PM

Devils, 93/94- present (Cup wins- 95, 2000, 2003, 1 cup final loss, 1 conference final loss)

tucker342 · 02-26-2004, 10:29 PM

1956-60 Montreal Canadiens 5 Stanley Cups (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960)

tucker342 · 02-26-2004, 10:30 PM

dola-

General Mike, and how is that better than winning 5 championships in a row???

ISiddiqui · 02-26-2004, 10:32 PM

I'm a HUGE Devils fans, but you have to be on crack to say the current Devils are the best dynasty. It's gotta be the 50s Canadians.

Young Drachma · 02-26-2004, 10:55 PM

If the New England Patriots get to be a "modern" dynasty by those crack smokers in the national news media, then the New Jersey Devils are no doubt a "modern" dynasty in the NHL.

All the talk of the Avalanche, Red Wings and all the teams that get a lot more play in the media, but the Devs have been contenders for a while now and for the past ten years they've got the job done or come damn close.

I'll match their record up in this era of overexpansion with anyone. Especially doing it with DIFFERENT players, too. Especially in other sports - the comparsions are difficult, to be sure, but its still remarkable and they get no love.

But who needs love, when you got RINGS?!

That said, those old teams were better. But I'm something of a generational relativist. That is, what happened then was then and what's going on now - is just that...now.

General Mike · 02-26-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker342

dola-

General Mike, and how is that better than winning 5 championships in a row???

Its a totally different era. How much free agent movement was there when the Canadiens won 5 in a row? They only had to win 2 rounds in the playoffs. They probably arent as good as the early 80 Islanders, or the late 80 Oilers, but winning a 30 team league, is alot different than winning a 6 team league.

Hurst2112 · 02-26-2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

Its a totally different era. How much free agent movement was there when the Canadiens won 5 in a row? They only had to win 2 rounds in the playoffs. They probably arent as good as the early 80 Islanders, or the late 80 Oilers, but winning a 30 team league, is alot different than winning a 6 team league.

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Devils, 93/94- present (Cup wins- 95, 2000, 2003, 1 cup final loss, 1 conference final loss)

If that's the case, then my wings would be just as good as your devils in that same general era...pretty much the same stats as you put up.

3 cups
1 conferance championship loss
1 cup loss

The thing to think about with smaller leagues...

I have the same relative talent throughout the league in 1950 as i do in 1999. i have 6 teams in 1950, 30 in 1999.

i play against the top 120 players in 1950 in 99...the top 600. meaning that the amount of talent i have to face everynight is better in 1950 than in 1999.

Granted, Europeans aren't in the earlier equation but still, the talent level remains consistent.

Young Drachma · 02-27-2004, 12:21 AM

I would argue against the notion that the NHL has less talent now than it did then. Those players were great, but if great Europeans were playing, its like trying to compare baseball if it had black players during the days when they were banned. (though the parallel is different since there was no "ban" on European" players)

Anyway, your Red Wings argument falls because the Devils won one of their Cups against the Red Wings - in a sweep no less.

Hurst2112 · 02-27-2004, 12:32 AM

About the Oilers, The last year the Islanders won it, they beat the Oilers (83). And in 91, they went into the 3rd round...before they got smoked by the North Stars. 91 would have been a wash due to the fact they were on the downslide but the formula was close enought for Edmonton to have 6 cup wins in the span of 8 years or so. Quite a great feat as it actually was.

I may be way off base here, but was hockey big in Europe from the 20s to the...let's say early 60's? I don't know the answer.

I guess my slant on it would remain the same. The best players back then were all in the NHL. Today, for the most part, the best players are in the NHL. My theory would be the same.

And yes, the Devils did beat the Wings in a Cup finals. This tends to make my point null, but comparing apples to stemless apples, I have a point...hehe

johnnyshaka · 02-27-2004, 02:25 AM

Gotta go with the Oilers'...no doubt about it!!! But then again, I wasn't alive or old enough to even know about any of the others.

Besides...have a look at the key players from those years...Gretz and Mess are one-two in career points...Coffey, second in points by a D-man...Fuhr, well, he's Fuhr...Kurri is one of the best right wingers to play the game...and Kevin Lowe has like 12 Stanley Cup rings...friggin' amazing!!!

And the Devils' a dynasty now??? I don't think so. Having a good goalie and winning games 2-1 doesn't really inspire domination to me. Watching the Devils' play hockey isn't very exciting except when Brodeur is standing on his head making freak-like saves, one after the other. To me, a dynasty would be a team that can do it all...not just one thing really well. The Devils play great defensive hockey...but that's it. And the sad thing is...any team can do it...they just happen to have a goalie who can win them a game or two when they break down.

Hurst2112 · 02-27-2004, 02:31 AM

Jean Beliveau has been on the cup 10 times as a player, 7 times as management.

Henri Richard has won it 11 times.

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Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

The Devils play great defensive hockey...but that's it. And the sad thing is...any team can do it...they just happen to have a goalie who can win them a game or two when they break down.

Gotta love the trap. NOT

View Poll Results: What was the greatest NHL hockey dynasty?
1919-1927 Ottawa Senators 4 Stanley Cups (1920, 1921, 1923, 1927)	0	0%
1947-51 Toronto Maple Leafs 4 Stanley Cups ( 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951)	0	0%
1950-55 Detroit Red Wings 4 Stanley Cups (1950, 1952, 1954, 1955)	0	0%
1956-60 Montreal Canadiens 5 Stanley Cups (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960)	4	13.79%
1962-1967 Toronto Maple Leafs 4 Stanley Cups (1962, 1963, 1964, 1967)	2	6.90%
1965-1969 Montreal Canadiens 4 Stanley Cups (1965, 1966, 1968, 1969)	0	0%
1976-79 Montreal Canadiens 4 Stanley Cups (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)	1	3.45%
1980-84 New York Islanders 4 Stanley Cups (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983)	4	13.79%
1984-90 Edmonton Oilers 5 Stanley Cups (1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1990)	16	55.17%
Other (Please describe)	1	3.45%
What is an NHL Dynasty?	1	3.45%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

02-26-2004, 07:51 PM	#4
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	back in which day. I would have to say the bowman coached run, actually maybe the one before that __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

02-26-2004, 07:54 PM	#5
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	It's a long shot, but I hope that EHM will have the ability to have teams from dynasties go against each other in a playoff form...sort of like madden's hidden teams in a tournament. This would be fun. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

02-26-2004, 09:36 PM	#10
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	interesting that of the 3 post-70s dynasties, only Montreal won their division each of the Stanley Cup years. And 3 out of those 4 years Montreal had the best regular season record overall (missing it by 1 point the final year). Meanwhile, on two occasions each, the Islanders and Oilers weren't even the best team in their division during the regular season, but still went on to win the Cup. __________________ Mile High Hockey

02-26-2004, 10:26 PM	#11
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Devils, 93/94- present (Cup wins- 95, 2000, 2003, 1 cup final loss, 1 conference final loss) __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

02-26-2004, 07:46 PM	#2
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Something involving the Avalanche team plane crashing into the Blues' team bus

02-26-2004, 07:47 PM	#3
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	dola I mean, if you were writing a hockey dynasty for a game. Best real-life dynasty, probably the Canadiens back in the day.

02-26-2004, 07:57 PM	#7
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Edmonton baby! Todd

02-26-2004, 08:29 PM	#8
timmae College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago	has to, I mean HAS TO BE the oilers. They won and they were awesome. Just dominated the competition. I wish I would have been a fan back then!!!

02-26-2004, 09:19 PM	#9
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	I wonder who I picked

02-26-2004, 10:29 PM	#12
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	1956-60 Montreal Canadiens 5 Stanley Cups (1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960)

02-26-2004, 10:30 PM	#13
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	dola- General Mike, and how is that better than winning 5 championships in a row???

02-26-2004, 10:32 PM	#14
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I'm a HUGE Devils fans, but you have to be on crack to say the current Devils are the best dynasty. It's gotta be the 50s Canadians. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

02-26-2004, 10:55 PM	#15
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	If the New England Patriots get to be a "modern" dynasty by those crack smokers in the national news media, then the New Jersey Devils are no doubt a "modern" dynasty in the NHL. All the talk of the Avalanche, Red Wings and all the teams that get a lot more play in the media, but the Devs have been contenders for a while now and for the past ten years they've got the job done or come damn close. I'll match their record up in this era of overexpansion with anyone. Especially doing it with DIFFERENT players, too. Especially in other sports - the comparsions are difficult, to be sure, but its still remarkable and they get no love. But who needs love, when you got RINGS?! That said, those old teams were better. But I'm something of a generational relativist. That is, what happened then was then and what's going on now - is just that...now. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball \| OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github Last edited by Young Drachma : 02-26-2004 at 10:58 PM.

02-27-2004, 12:21 AM	#18
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I would argue against the notion that the NHL has less talent now than it did then. Those players were great, but if great Europeans were playing, its like trying to compare baseball if it had black players during the days when they were banned. (though the parallel is different since there was no "ban" on European" players) Anyway, your Red Wings argument falls because the Devils won one of their Cups against the Red Wings - in a sweep no less. __________________ Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball \| OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

02-27-2004, 12:32 AM	#19
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	About the Oilers, The last year the Islanders won it, they beat the Oilers (83). And in 91, they went into the 3rd round...before they got smoked by the North Stars. 91 would have been a wash due to the fact they were on the downslide but the formula was close enought for Edmonton to have 6 cup wins in the span of 8 years or so. Quite a great feat as it actually was. I may be way off base here, but was hockey big in Europe from the 20s to the...let's say early 60's? I don't know the answer. I guess my slant on it would remain the same. The best players back then were all in the NHL. Today, for the most part, the best players are in the NHL. My theory would be the same. And yes, the Devils did beat the Wings in a Cup finals. This tends to make my point null, but comparing apples to stemless apples, I have a point...hehe __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog Last edited by Hurst2112 : 02-27-2004 at 12:41 AM.

02-27-2004, 02:25 AM	#20
johnnyshaka College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB	Gotta go with the Oilers'...no doubt about it!!! But then again, I wasn't alive or old enough to even know about any of the others. Besides...have a look at the key players from those years...Gretz and Mess are one-two in career points...Coffey, second in points by a D-man...Fuhr, well, he's Fuhr...Kurri is one of the best right wingers to play the game...and Kevin Lowe has like 12 Stanley Cup rings...friggin' amazing!!! And the Devils' a dynasty now??? I don't think so. Having a good goalie and winning games 2-1 doesn't really inspire domination to me. Watching the Devils' play hockey isn't very exciting except when Brodeur is standing on his head making freak-like saves, one after the other. To me, a dynasty would be a team that can do it all...not just one thing really well. The Devils play great defensive hockey...but that's it. And the sad thing is...any team can do it...they just happen to have a goalie who can win them a game or two when they break down.

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