what was that Stanford psych. test?

[Flasch186]

In all honesty, not trying to bait, totally neutral here, do you think that power trip thing, that they proved using those students in that test at Stanford, was it?, has something to do with this....assuming it is true? In the test they had to shut it down cuz it got out of hand so quick....wonder if it a psyche. thing.



WASHINGTON (AP) -- Some Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib said they were abused by troops from Poland and other coalition countries, according to copies of statements to Army investigators obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

The witness statements also include new and more detailed allegations of abuse by military intelligence soldiers, including a civilian interpreter's accusation that an Army interrogator forced a prisoner to walk naked through a cellblock.

Seven soldiers -- all enlisted military police who worked as guards -- are facing military charges for allegedly abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib last fall.

Most of the soldiers charged say military and civilian intelligence operatives encouraged them to beat and humiliate Iraqi prisoners to make them more pliable during interrogations. Top Army brass have said they never condoned any abuse.

The records of interviews by Army Criminal Investigation Division agents obtained by the AP include new allegations that coalition forces had beaten prisoners before turning them over to the Americans.

Sgt. Antonio Monserrate, an Army interrogator, told investigators that two detainees had been "injured by the Polish Army." Monserrate referred to the inmates by their prison identification numbers but did not provide any further details.

Polish forces operate in south-central Iraq. Prisoners also accused Iraqi forces of abusing them but named no other country in the documents obtained by the AP.

Other civilian and military workers at Abu Ghraib mentioned claims by prisoners that they had been beaten by "coalition forces" before arriving at the U.S.-run prison outside Baghdad.

"Many detainees complained about physical abuse while in detention caused by C.F. (coalition forces), not U.S. forces," civilian intelligence analyst Luke Olander told investigators.

The statements also give new details about abuses allegedly directly ordered by U.S. military intelligence soldiers.

Civilian translator Bakeer Naseef told an interviewer that one U.S. military interrogator forced a prisoner to walk naked through the prison while saying, "Look at me!" Naseef said he could not remember the interrogator's name.

At least two American military interrogators -- Sgt. Ben Hill and Spc. Gary E. Webster -- said their fellow military intelligence troops told the guards to keep detainees awake and blast loud music at them.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of U.S. troops in Iraq, has said he never approved depriving Iraqi detainees of sleep. Sanchez and other officers said interrogators were told that sleep deprivation was among the tactics which required Sanchez' approval.

Defense lawyers are likely to present evidence of abuse by coalition forces and military intelligence operatives during courts-martial for the six accused soldiers who have yet to go to trial. Spc. Jeremy Sivits pleaded guilty earlier this month and is expected to testify against the other soldiers.

"It is uncontroverted that military intelligence was in control of the military police," said Harvey J. Volzer, a Washington attorney representing Spc. Megan M. Ambuhl, who has been charged with conspiracy and dereliction of duty -- crimes her lawyer maintains she did not commit.

Some soldiers told investigators they complained about abuses but nothing was done.

Mary Rose Zapor, a lawyer for accused Pfc. Lynndie England, said that supports the defense argument that there was a climate of tolerance for abuse inside Abu Ghraib.

"Had my client known she could complain, it wouldn't have made any difference," Zapor said.

[yabanci]

The study to which you're referring was done by Prof. Philip Zimbardo at Stanford. If you're interested, he was on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer and some other psychology experts shortly after the torture in Iraq was exposed.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middl...ners_5-11.html

[Flasch186]

thanks yabanci, thats a great read....much appreciated

[Arles]

Civilian translator Bakeer Naseef told an interviewer that one U.S. military interrogator forced a prisoner to walk naked through the prison while saying, "Look at me!" Naseef said he could not remember the interrogator's name.

At least two American military interrogators -- Sgt. Ben Hill and Spc. Gary E. Webster -- said their fellow military intelligence troops told the guards to keep detainees awake and blast loud music at them.

Wow, making prisoners walk naked and not letting them get a full 8 hours of sleep.

These Americans sure are barbarians. The horror of it all.