David Boston Update

[pjstp20]

Wha..? I'm talking about the Dolphins what the hell do you think I'm talking about??????

I acknowledged Noops comment by saying "I'm confident but not that confident", what are you driving at?

[rkmsuf]

great

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Well, when they signed Feely, Collins was not considered a "likely" release by very many people. I believe at that time, most considered him as "likely to sign a cap-friendly extension by converting his high salary to a signing bonus."

Also, according to the most recent MMQB, Peter King says that he's been told by Giants insiders that Kurt Warner hasn't looked as sharp as The Batchelor - which is saying something, even in June. So it's not like Warner would have been (or should have been considered) a no-brainer for Miami if they had just waited.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by pjstp20

I can't beleive you're a fan of this team.

Also, I love how everyone is an expert on the Dolphins all of a sudden. Its amazing how they're the only team that constantly gets a steady stream of critical posts on here, yet over the past decade they probably have the best record in the NFL.

Does being a fan mean you have to blindly accept the management and coaching of a team?

I'm a huge Jets fan, and I root for them to win on Sundays. But when I take a step back, I realize i'd rather see them fo 4-12 and clean house than go 8-8 and save Herman Edwards/Terry Bradway's jobs. Sometimes you alomst have to root against a team if you have their real long-term interests in mind. I believe both the Dolphins and Jets will be better off long-term with new people running the show.

[Passacaglia]

A quick note from the Lions camp: Going 4-12 (or 2-14) doesn't always mean the coach loses his job. Sometimes it takes two years of futility.

[pjstp20]

Disagreeing with coaching and management is one thing. Openly rooting for them to crash and burn is another. But whatever, if you see eye to eye so be it.

[pjstp20]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

great

You've become quite beligerent since we last talked, I thought I've stayed away from Pat threads enough to avoid this.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by pjstp20

You've become quite beligerent since we last talked, I thought I've stayed away from Pat threads enough to avoid this.

My point was that the negative Dolphin stuff in this thread only was because of a ridiculous point by a Miami supporter. It went over your head so I dropped it...no hatin...

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by pjstp20

Worst case scenario, Fiedler will be back. So it can't get any worse.

How does "worst case scenario, we have a complete disaster" make you feel better?

[Fritz]

I like Fiedler

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by pjstp20

Disagreeing with coaching and management is one thing. Openly rooting for them to crash and burn is another. But whatever, if you see eye to eye so be it.

This is how Kodos and I see our respective teams:

The team has a wound, which appears infected. We can either slap some bandages and bactine on it and keep limping (maintain the status quo), or we can visit the doctor, receive surgery (clean house), and get back on the road to full recovery.

It is the firm belief of Dr. C.T.Homer and Dr. Kodos that both Miami and New York require surgery. In fact, we're not even sure they'll make it, but they're living in serious pain right now anyway - so it's worth the risk.

This is why a fan like me sometimes has to root against my team in the short term. I believe firing the management will make the team better in the long run.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

A quick note from the Lions camp: Going 4-12 (or 2-14) doesn't always mean the coach loses his job. Sometimes it takes two years of futility.

Well, for a team considered by most to have abysmal talent, to go 4-12 or 2-14 doesn't usually get you fired. For a team that was the favorite to win the Super Bowl to not make the playoffs...

[Kodos]

The Dolphins have been good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to go anywhere for basically 2 decades running. At some point you have to realize that the incremental changes they always make aren't going to get them over the top. Sometimes the best thing is to blow everything up except for a few of your core players and start from scratch. New ownership, new coach, new staff, new players. The Dolphins should have done this after Jimmy Johnson's final year. Instead, they stuck with a substandard coach and a joke of a personnel department. As a fan, I would rather endure a bad season or three in order to get a real contender on the field. The Dolphins are in purgatory. Good enough to make the playoffs, not good enough to do anything in the playoffs.

Blow it all up and start over.

[BishopMVP]

Be careful when arguing with pjstp20 on AFC East topics. He has an impeccable track record.

[Kodos]

That's true. Didn't he guarantee that the Dolphins would beat the Patriots if they met in the playoffs?

[WSUCougar]

I don't dislike Fiedler. But I don't think he's a championship-caliber quarterback (which would be 88mm, by the way).

Feeley was brought in to start ahead of Fiedler, but I haven't seen anything particularly positive about him and have seen several negative articles about how he's struggled, looked bad, and has not learned the offense very well. I've also seen suggestions that Fiedler may well fend him off for the starting job. All of which says, to me, that there has been no dramatic improvement in the quarterback situation in Miami.

Perhaps Feeley will rally in pre-season and shine brightly during the regular season, and the Dolphins will ride that wave to greater glory. But I doubt it.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Kodos

That's true. Didn't he guarantee that the Dolphins would beat the Patriots if they met in the playoffs?

Dolphins, Chiefs, Titans, Colts.

Basically 2/3 of the AFC were "guaranteed" to beat the Pats, even at home in the playoffs, since the Pats were only lucky.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by Fritz

I like Fiedler

I like Cecil Fielder.


Especially when he stole that base.

[Noop]

Sigh.... you are the same ones who told me OU was the greatest team ever when I said they were not. I said split champs and yes I was laughed at.... We'll bring this back up in Jan and see if I am right ok?

[Noop]

One more thing I have no favorite pro team although I do like a few players mostly cornerbacks. *Edit*I had to changed because i am a Dolphins fan...

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by Noop

We'll bring this back up in Jan and see if I am right ok?

Absolutely.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Absolutely.

And dont worry I will take it like a man if I am wrong. So start creating your crow recipes in case I am wrong because I am ready to eat some. I got mine ready

[VPI97]

Noop, I like you and all but you should pick your battles a little better. Miami's going to have a rough time just making the playoffs.

[Robbiero67]

I am a huge Dolphins Fan along with PJ, Noop, Fritz and some others here. While I don't agree with Noop's prediction, I applaud his enthusiasm. I wish more Fin Fans were this excited about the team, no matter the reality of the situation, as one of the biggest annual criticisms of the Miami organization is the sway of many fair-weathered fans come season's end. Do I think the Dolphins will be playing in the Super Bowl? It's not likely, but I'll root all season anyways (as I have all my life) and in the back of my mind I'll always think they have a chance...because if I didn't what the heck would be the point of me rooting for them in the first place.

As for the criticism of the Dolphin's offseason:

1. Feeley Acquisition: Yes, WSU is correct, AJ has had some difficulty adjusting to the Fins scheme. However, I don't believe this to be solely Feeley's fault as the Dolphins lost Norv Turner to the Raiders and then his replacement Joel Collier had to take a reduced role due to health reasons. Chris Forester, the new OC, had little time to get adjusted himself...despite staying with generally the same offense, it is still a period where he too needs to become better acclimated. In any case, I think its probably better to at least wait and see what padded practices, two-a-days, and full-blown pre-season bring before anyone reserves a complete judgment on Feeley's potential with the team.

2. David Boston: The guy has monster talent, and even when he's off, he's better then a good number of receivers in the league. Combined with Chris Chambers, who from early reports looks like he is having another fantastic offseason, and a renewed effort Boston could have a great year (even with the Dolphins QB issues). Boston's track record has been a little spotty as of late, but with WR's coach Jerry Sullivan on board (who coached him in Arizona and is said to be very close with Boston) I don't think we'll be seeing the interruptions that occurred last year in SD.

3.OLine: Still not very strong, but it did get a big boost from Jeno James of Carolina, signed as a FA...as well as #1 draft pick Vernon Carey out of UM. These guys combined with the improved play of youngsters Seth McKinney (C), Wade Smith (LT), Billy Yates and Taylor Whitley gives the Fins a solid nucleus for years to build around.

4.Improved Secondary: There wasn't a lot the Fins could do to improve upon one of the best CB tandems in the league (Madison/Surtain), but they did with the addition of Reggie Howard through FA and CB Will Poole as a huge steal in the 4th round of this year's draft. Sammy Knight will return at SS, and Arturo Freeman will take the place of Marion at FS and will be backed up by FA addition Antuan Edwards.

5. Ricky Williams: Drug issue seems to be a dead issue, haven't followed it that closely, but I believe he still has another warning before any type of suspension occurs (although I could be mistaken).

6. Ogunyele: I think this has more to do with Agent Drew Rosenhaus and a huge season by Wale then the Dolphin's management. They have several huge contracts on defense, and another one would be difficult to add. I think it is smart to wait closer to the beginning of the season as several injuries & events could happen with the Fins or other teams opening up further and more lucrative trade opportunities if that route were necessary. I personally do not want to see him go...since his frosh year at Indiana I've been excited about Wale, and when he came to the Fins fresh off major reconstructive surgery (about a year earlier actually) I thought he'd be huge if he fully recovered. However, if he continues to demand Kearse-type money the Fins may have to look seriously into trading him and already as depth the team has both Jay Williams and David Bowens ready to step in and start. Another note here, which I don't fully buy, but some other fans and media push is the idea that O-Gun is a by-product of JT's success. While I think JTaylor is great, he did struggle last year and O-Gun just picked up the slack.

7. GM/Coach: First let me state, I'm no Wanny fan. I can't stand him and a lot of time it looks like he coaches "not to lose." Yet, this will be either his last year or the Fins will come out of a very succesful season with DW at the pinnacle of his career in the NFL. It's one way or the other and thats it and that alone gives me some peace of mind. There have also been several rumors that DW has actually grown a more intense attitude and ripped into the team after a poor practice a few days ago. This has been unheard of from DW in the past, and maybe his distinct demeanor transformation will have some effect on complacent veterans. As for the GM debacle, I agree it could have been done better and the part with Marino...well, I'd just like to bury it. More specifically, though with Rick Spielman holding all personnel power, I am much more comfortable then I was with DW doing the same. I think Spielman has a good eye for talent and is well-perceived around the league. I think the Dolphins made a good choice in putting the personnel responsibilities exclusively with him as he was coveted by a few other NFL teams (esp. Detroit).

I know there is a lot more to possibly go into, the Dolphins have not had the best offseason...still I don't think it was at all terrible. They added the likes of CB Howard, OL James, WR Boston, RB Morris, QB Feeley, OL St. Clair to name a few that will help to improve this team. Will they take them to a Super Bowl victory this year? Not likely, but will they be competitive? YES. And even if they are not, I'll still be rooting...

Rob

[Noop]

Originally Posted by VPI97

Noop, I like you and all but you should pick your battles a little better. Miami's going to have a rough time just making the playoffs.

This is not a battle at all. I just believe Miami will make the superbowl. That is not impossible at all....

[Robbiero67]

dola

Guess I was wrong about Noop and being a fan of the Dolphins...lol oh well...

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Robbiero67

dola

Guess I was wrong about Noop and being a fan of the Dolphins...lol oh well...

No I am but I didnt want to be known as a homer( I am at times especially with Florida State but I try to be fair at times) . I truely believe they will make the super bowl.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Noop

One more thing I have no favorite pro team *Edit*I had to changed because i am a Dolphins fan...

[Noop]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Yea I know I know but I felt like I shouldn't hide the reason is above your post... But I bleed Garnet and Gold so Florida State is number one for me and no one else...*crys*

[Passacaglia]

I think there's a difference between believing the Dolphins will make the Super Bowl and being unable to come up with your own reason why they won't.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think there's a difference between believing the Dolphins will make the Super Bowl and being unable to come up with your own reason why they won't.

You sound just like Troy did. Its al good though because you guys got a good laugh and I a bold, baseless opinion by a blind homer. See you in Jan.

[Sun Tzu]

This isn't the 70's.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Noop

You sound just like Troy did.

Logical?

Actually, I don't see any posts by TroyF in this thread. Are you referring to a different Troy?

[Sun Tzu]

He mentioned Homer...

[Passacaglia]

Doh!

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Logical?

Actually, I don't see any posts by TroyF in this thread. Are you referring to a different Troy?

No No I was talking about TroyF but something he and I have spoken about outside of fofc. I am a Homer like Simpson but not as much with the Phins as I am with the Seminoles. There is no logic behind it because sometimes it gets in the way.

[Kodos]

If the Dolphins win the Super Bowl this year, I will build a statue of Dave Wannstedt in my front yard.

[Sun Tzu]

Just make sure it's your yard (ala the Donovan McNabb commercial).

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Kodos

If the Dolphins win the Super Bowl this year, I will build a statue of Dave Wannstedt in my front yard.

The humor in this would make it worth it alone. Go Dolphins!

[Rizon]

I've been a Dolphins fan for the last 22 years.

I've suffered alot.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Rizon

I've been a Dolphins fan for the last 22 years.

I've suffered alot.

Hey, Rizon! There's always next year!

[pjstp20]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Be careful when arguing with pjstp20 on AFC East topics. He has an impeccable track record.

Glad you can let bygones be bygones.

For the record I didn't garuntee anything, I said that "I" thought those tems were better than the Patriots. It didn't come true, I was wrong. It wasn't the first time, won't be the last.

Believe me if I could predict the future I wouldn't be wasting my time with you knuckleheads. I'd be on a yaht somewhere getting serviced by supermodels.

[SFL Cat]

Originally Posted by pjstp20

Its amazing how they're the only team that constantly gets a steady stream of critical posts on here...

Obviously you've never been a Cowboys' fan.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Miami, to me, seems like a team that is about 50/50 to go either of two ways -- they could have a decent season and stay more or less on the track where they are now (basically a contender, sometimes disappointing) and they could really implode and bring about a "blow the team up" movement in the next year or two.

But noop thinks you are wrong.

[SFL Cat]

Originally Posted by Kodos

If the Dolphins win the Super Bowl this year, I will build a statue of Dave Wannstedt in my front yard.

I really don't see the Dolphins getting to the Super Bowl this year, but I guess stranger things have happened.

Kodos, if Wannstedt doesn't get the Dolphins deep into the playoffs this season, you could probably get him personally to stand in your front yard at a reasonable price since he'll be looking for work.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

But noop thinks you are wrong.

????