GroupThink - 1991 offseason - Page 3

Doug5984 · 02-23-2003, 12:50 PM

Do we want to go after a young QB? If so there are 2 guys I really like:
QB John Barker
QB Ken Thompson

Some other players who look like they would be good picks
SLB- Josh Marriot
FL- Darrell Hawkins
SLB- Steve Dodge
LCB- Devin Hopkins
RG- Kris Weber

QuikSand · 02-23-2003, 01:59 PM

I like G Ellis Tanner better than Weber by a bit, but don't have a great feel for our "need" there - decent guards are pretty easy to come by, generally.

What about DE Russell Austin? He could be this year's pick comparable to DT Kent Wolfe from last year's draft... similar profile, might get better, but at least should be a decent reserve.

WR (flanker) Louis Gregg is probably good enough to let us cut a veteran... he'd save us money, at least, and might turn out to be decent.

QB John Barker looks like a no-nonsense QB to me - dunno whether there's any upside, but he shouldn't bust.

There are also several FBs left who are better than what we've had thus far... makes me think we can fill the reserve spot with a URFA.

K Jose Forbes looks to be the vest kicker left by some margin - again, don't really know how strongly we feel about that position.

Doug5984 · 02-23-2003, 02:29 PM

If we go for a DE, I would go with Donovan Shah, he would be purly a pass-rushing DE, but he would be a good one. For an all around DE I like Cris McElroy, or Marco Lynn.

Another FB might not be a bad pick with our 7th round pick, just a player who would stay under contract and fill a position on the roster.

Also, if we wanted to trade RB Kieth Baker then I suggest we pick a guy like RB Tyronne Fiste.

CB Devin Hopkins, or Donny Porter would be good players to keep on the roster and it would allow us to cut a higher priced guy. I really have no opinion as to where to go with these next few picks, there is no one that just really stands out to me.

For Kicker I would say just sign someone like Ron Hardy to a one year deal.

Bee · 02-23-2003, 05:52 PM

I like DE Austin at this pick. He looks like he has some potential to me and we could always use a little depth along the D-line.

I think we should consider addressing the kicker situation later in the draft (maybe in the 6th round?), just to get a little stability at the position. I like Covington about the same as Forbes, but I'm a little partial to kickoff distance because of the number of points we scored last year.

wade moore · 02-24-2003, 04:01 AM

I would go with Bee here... DE Austin looks good,e specially considering the D was our biggest are of need, and we have addressed mostly Offense in the draft thus far... I say go DE here, it would be interesting to see if Barker is available at the next pick.. if so, I say definately take him

QuikSand · 02-24-2003, 08:40 AM

I have some logistical problems... and won't have access to the game for a while, at least until late tonight. (My office roof has collapsed, rendering my normal office and workstation [with FOF4 loaded] unaccessible today) I'm happy to have someone else carry on from here.

I'm very comfortable with taking DE Russell Austin with the next pick, of course.

primelord · 02-24-2003, 09:15 AM

150. Little Rock - Austin, Russell, DE, Wisconsin
151. Sacramento - Fowler, Winfred, WR, Wyoming
152. Hawk Mountain - McCorvey, Kim, OLB, Georgia Tech
153. Texarkana - Wagner, Dana, DT, Oregon State
154. Nashua - Hopkins, Devin, CB, Boise State
155. Tijuana - Lynn, Marco, DE, Oklahoma State
156. Fort Knox - Raymond, Marty, S, North Carolina State
157. Bermuda - Hawkins, Darrell, WR, Air Force
158. Sault Ste. Marie - McConnell, Chris, S, Louisville
159. Lake Erie - Shah, Donovan, DE, Eastern Illinois
160. Puget Sound - Putnam, Dana, T, Vanderbilt
161. Thunder Bay - Dawson, Dean, FB, Boston College
162. Providence - McWilliams, Xavier, S, Alcorn State
163. Death Valley - Burgess, Derek, DE, Dartmouth
164. Niagara Falls - Marriott, Josh, OLB, Colorado
165. Key West - Exterovich, Zack, ILB, Michigan
166. Kitty Hawk - Tanner, Ellis, G, Eastern Washington
167. Hawk Mountain - Ellwood, Alonzo, DT, Boise State
168. Norfolk - Coleman, Rich, C, Syracuse
169. Ocean City - Weber, Kris, G, Richmond
170. Pensacola - Earnest, Trevor, WR, Kentucky
171. Fort Wayne - Goon, Dale, WR, Indiana
172. Athens - Dodge, Steve, OLB, Illinois
173. Cheyenne - Porter, Donny, CB, Cincinnati
174. Ypsilanti - Cheney, Darrin, S, North Carolina
175. Wheeling - Weeks, Grady, TE, Mass. - Lowell
176. Louisville - Nealy, Vince, G, Arizona
177. Tulsa - Schroeder, Terrance, DE, Sam Houston State
178. Napa Valley - Wynn, Levon, S, Alabama A&M
179. Manhattan - McIntyre, Broderick, DT, Alabama
180. Mazatlan - Carrasco, Lee, WR, Tennessee
181. Memphis - Deutsch, Kevin, G, Ohio State

primelord · 02-24-2003, 09:27 AM

QB Barker is still available. Do we want to go that route or do we want to look at K Forbes or Covington?

On defense there are some intriguing guys still I think.

MLB Brian Peterson looks like he could be a solid backup some day. WILb Rob Flaherty looks very similar.

SILB Chad Murray could maybe be converted into a DE. He looks like a very solid pass rusher.

SLB Karl Erickson looks like he fits our system pretty well.

Bee · 02-24-2003, 09:46 AM

I'm pretty open at this point as to who we draft. I think Wade really liked Barker if he was available, so I'll go ahead and vote for Barker. If one of the LB's looks like a potential breakout player, I wouldn't mind going for them instead though.

B

primelord · 02-24-2003, 10:48 AM

182. Little Rock - Barker, John, QB, Vanderbilt
183. Sacramento - Almonte, Tito, T, Virginia
184. Champaign - Hardy, Quinn, T, Texas Christian
185. Texarkana - Grier, Carlton, FB, Wyoming
186. Sault Ste. Marie - Girardi, Scott, S, Georgia Tech
187. Tijuana - Gregg, Louis, WR, Houston
188. Fort Knox - Thornhill, Brad, G, Colorado State
189. Bermuda - Pilgrim, Blake, DT, Utah State
190. Sault Ste. Marie - Came, Sammie, P, Arizona
191. Lake Erie - Burks, Karl, T, Miami, Florida
192. Puget Sound - Burroughs, Sammie, TE, Iowa State
193. Thunder Bay - Powell, Brant, P, Iowa State
194. Providence - Horinek, Preston, WR, Southern Mississippi
195. Death Valley - Thornhill, Bennie, CB, Wake Forest
196. Niagara Falls - Erickson, Karl, OLB, San Diego State
197. Key West - Middleton, Malcolm, DT, Syracuse
198. Kitty Hawk - Backes, Craig, CB, Kansas
199. Hawk Mountain - Richardson, Jerald, CB, Georgia Tech
200. Norfolk - Barrett, Ty, OLB, West Virginia
201. Ocean City - Malone, Jonathan, FB, Washington State
202. Pensacola - Schalk, Dennis, P, Georgia
203. Fort Wayne - Lowe, Stan, S, Wisconsin
204. Athens - Finch, Warren, FB, Mississippi
205. Cheyenne - Curtis, J.R., WR, Alabama
206. Ypsilanti - Dion, Chad, S, Vanderbilt
207. Wheeling - Dworak, Renaldo, WR, Auburn
208. Louisville - Stargell, Malcolm, G, Michigan
209. Tulsa - Van Pelt, Eddie, WR, Montana State
210. Napa Valley - Baker, Deon, CB, Arizona
211. Manhattan - Castillo, Kent, CB, Army
212. Mazatlan - Fleming, Jeffrey, WR, North Carolina State
213. Memphis - Horton, Junior, WR, Delaware State
214. Little Rock - Peterson, Brian, ILB, Eastern Washington
215. Puget Sound - McNeil, Robbie, WR, Maryland
216. Champaign - Holliday, Jason, OLB, Stanford
217. Texarkana - Mireles, Hugh, QB, Ohio State
218. Nashua - Mantovani, Carlos, OLB, Vanderbilt
219. Tijuana - Dayne, Vernon, WR, Penn State
220. Fort Knox - Sherman, Andy, OLB, Southern Mississippi
221. Bermuda - Hodges, Ernest, C, Duke
222. Sault Ste. Marie - Flaherty, Rob, ILB, Indiana
223. Lake Erie - Self, Rufus, FB, Indiana
224. Puget Sound - Treadwell, Eddie, WR, Western Illinois

primelord · 02-24-2003, 10:53 AM

If we have any interest in K Rod Covington he actually went undrafted so we have the option of picking him up. For that matter K Forbes is still available too.

Bee · 02-24-2003, 11:21 AM

Dang!

FB Rufus Self went with the second to last pick! I was really hoping we could grab him as a URFA.

primelord · 02-24-2003, 11:45 AM

I would really like us to sign SILB Chad Murray and convert him to LDE. He would be anotehr pass rush specialist if he pans out, but again looks like he would be a good one. And if he doesn't it doesn't cost us much.

primelord · 02-24-2003, 11:48 AM

I am not sure what our procedures on signing players after the draft etc are and I am not sure if we want to just rn a vanilla training camp or not so here are the updated files before training camp.

File #1

primelord · 02-24-2003, 11:49 AM

File #2

Doug5984 · 02-24-2003, 03:53 PM

We currently have 54 players on the roster since the rules state we need to bring 60 to camp here are 6 undrafter rookies i would like to see us sign...(They are not based on positional needs, but just the 6 players I would most like to see us go after)

K Jose Forbes
K Rod Covington
RG Stanley Blood
RB Tyrone Fiste
FB Alan Pedroza
CB Lewis Sinclair

Bee · 02-24-2003, 03:55 PM

Sweet! Fiste made it through. He looks like a decent backup RB if we end up getting rid of one our other guys.

primelord · 02-24-2003, 03:55 PM

Well I think we have two problems.

1) You can only have 5 of those guys because I want to bring SILB Chad Murray in.

2) I don't think we have enough money to sign 6 players even to min sal. We may have to cut someone in order to do that.

Doug5984 · 02-24-2003, 04:01 PM

Ok...well we need to decide on who to cut, just taking a quick look CB Alfred Dennis came to mind, unless Boyd is a bust Dennis would probably be the # 4 guy, we would save close to 2 million by cutting him, and his contract is up after next season and I think it would be unlikely that we would bring him back after that.

And since we do need to cut 1 player, that means we will need to sign 7 undrafted guys.....I don't really say we get all the guys I listed I was just throwing some names out there.

primelord · 02-24-2003, 04:25 PM

If we really think Tyrone Fiste could be a solid backup at running back what about trying to trade RB Baker? That would free up a little cap room.

Bee · 02-24-2003, 04:37 PM

I like LT Lenny Bradley as far as o-linemen. If we can sign him I'd be happy.

RG Stanley Blood looks like a classic bust to me.

Bee · 02-24-2003, 04:45 PM

Guys I think might be good pickups:

Lenny Bradley LT
Tyrone Fiste RB
Clay Anthony DE
Alvin Navarro DT
Rod Covington K
Tom Gamboa CB (maybe bust? not sure)

I'd rather not trade Baker unless it's necessary myself. I'd rather cut a vet.

Edit: Not necessarily recommending signing these guys, but just think we should look at them. I think we need to get a K and FB for backup.

Doug5984 · 02-24-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by primelord
If we really think Tyrone Fiste could be a solid backup at running back what about trying to trade RB Baker? That would free up a little cap room.

Trading Baker would only free up around $600,000...I was thinking we take all 4 to training camp, and if Fiste has a good camp, and doesn't lose any ratings then we could try and trade Baker...but If we need to trade him now that wouldn't be that bad, we have another very good backup in Crawford.

Bee · 02-24-2003, 04:50 PM

For FB I like Heath Holliman the best of the URFAs.

sasquatch · 02-24-2003, 04:55 PM

I like the signing of Chad Murray, because I actually know someone named Chad Murray. However, in real life, he's been endearingly nicknamed Choad Murray, so I think it would work well as a nickname in the Groupthink. Again, I support the signing of Choad Murray.

Bee · 02-24-2003, 04:59 PM

If we trade anyone, I'd recommend Tracy Pederson (LT). He's angry and not likely to get any playing time unless there's an injury. If we pick up Lenny Bradley, I think he'll be a decent backup this year.

B

Bee · 02-24-2003, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sasquatch
I like the signing of Chad Murray, because I actually know someone named Chad Murray. However, in real life, he's been endearingly nicknamed Choad Murray, so I think it would work well as a nickname in the Groupthink. Again, I support the signing of Choad Murray.

5-11 and 261 lbs...we should call him stubby.

BigDPW · 02-24-2003, 05:20 PM

I like both Covington and Forbes at Kicker... We could bring one of these guys in but I don't think we need both... Covington falls short on kicking length and Forbes will take awhile to develop some accuracy but I think all in all Forbes is better rounded...

I also agree with trying to convert Murray to DE just to see how he does...

I also like the idea of trading Tracy Peterson and I would have no problem with cutting CB Alfred Dennis...

I also like Heath Holiman at FB to backup Brock...

primelord · 02-24-2003, 07:16 PM

Ok again I hope I am not stepping on Quik's toes but in the interest of keeping things moving I have cut LCB Alfred Dennis.

I have signed the following players to 1 year deals.

SILB Chad Murray (moved to LDE)
LT Lenny Bradley
FB Heath Holliman
RB Tyrone Fiste
K Jose Forbes
K Rod Covington
RCB Tom Gamboa

Of course after signing them I remembered that the lowest paid guys over the 53 man roster don't count against the salary cap. So we didn't actually need to cut anyone. Oh well.

02-23-2003, 01:59 PM	#102
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I like G Ellis Tanner better than Weber by a bit, but don't have a great feel for our "need" there - decent guards are pretty easy to come by, generally. What about DE Russell Austin? He could be this year's pick comparable to DT Kent Wolfe from last year's draft... similar profile, might get better, but at least should be a decent reserve. WR (flanker) Louis Gregg is probably good enough to let us cut a veteran... he'd save us money, at least, and might turn out to be decent. QB John Barker looks like a no-nonsense QB to me - dunno whether there's any upside, but he shouldn't bust. There are also several FBs left who are better than what we've had thus far... makes me think we can fill the reserve spot with a URFA. K Jose Forbes looks to be the vest kicker left by some margin - again, don't really know how strongly we feel about that position. Last edited by QuikSand : 02-23-2003 at 02:02 PM.

02-23-2003, 02:29 PM	#103
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	If we go for a DE, I would go with Donovan Shah, he would be purly a pass-rushing DE, but he would be a good one. For an all around DE I like Cris McElroy, or Marco Lynn. Another FB might not be a bad pick with our 7th round pick, just a player who would stay under contract and fill a position on the roster. Also, if we wanted to trade RB Kieth Baker then I suggest we pick a guy like RB Tyronne Fiste. CB Devin Hopkins, or Donny Porter would be good players to keep on the roster and it would allow us to cut a higher priced guy. I really have no opinion as to where to go with these next few picks, there is no one that just really stands out to me. For Kicker I would say just sign someone like Ron Hardy to a one year deal. Last edited by Doug5984 : 02-23-2003 at 02:30 PM.

02-24-2003, 09:15 AM	#107
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	150. Little Rock - Austin, Russell, DE, Wisconsin 151. Sacramento - Fowler, Winfred, WR, Wyoming 152. Hawk Mountain - McCorvey, Kim, OLB, Georgia Tech 153. Texarkana - Wagner, Dana, DT, Oregon State 154. Nashua - Hopkins, Devin, CB, Boise State 155. Tijuana - Lynn, Marco, DE, Oklahoma State 156. Fort Knox - Raymond, Marty, S, North Carolina State 157. Bermuda - Hawkins, Darrell, WR, Air Force 158. Sault Ste. Marie - McConnell, Chris, S, Louisville 159. Lake Erie - Shah, Donovan, DE, Eastern Illinois 160. Puget Sound - Putnam, Dana, T, Vanderbilt 161. Thunder Bay - Dawson, Dean, FB, Boston College 162. Providence - McWilliams, Xavier, S, Alcorn State 163. Death Valley - Burgess, Derek, DE, Dartmouth 164. Niagara Falls - Marriott, Josh, OLB, Colorado 165. Key West - Exterovich, Zack, ILB, Michigan 166. Kitty Hawk - Tanner, Ellis, G, Eastern Washington 167. Hawk Mountain - Ellwood, Alonzo, DT, Boise State 168. Norfolk - Coleman, Rich, C, Syracuse 169. Ocean City - Weber, Kris, G, Richmond 170. Pensacola - Earnest, Trevor, WR, Kentucky 171. Fort Wayne - Goon, Dale, WR, Indiana 172. Athens - Dodge, Steve, OLB, Illinois 173. Cheyenne - Porter, Donny, CB, Cincinnati 174. Ypsilanti - Cheney, Darrin, S, North Carolina 175. Wheeling - Weeks, Grady, TE, Mass. - Lowell 176. Louisville - Nealy, Vince, G, Arizona 177. Tulsa - Schroeder, Terrance, DE, Sam Houston State 178. Napa Valley - Wynn, Levon, S, Alabama A&M 179. Manhattan - McIntyre, Broderick, DT, Alabama 180. Mazatlan - Carrasco, Lee, WR, Tennessee 181. Memphis - Deutsch, Kevin, G, Ohio State __________________ .

02-24-2003, 09:27 AM	#108
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	QB Barker is still available. Do we want to go that route or do we want to look at K Forbes or Covington? On defense there are some intriguing guys still I think. MLB Brian Peterson looks like he could be a solid backup some day. WILb Rob Flaherty looks very similar. SILB Chad Murray could maybe be converted into a DE. He looks like a very solid pass rusher. SLB Karl Erickson looks like he fits our system pretty well. __________________ .

02-24-2003, 10:48 AM	#110
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	182. Little Rock - Barker, John, QB, Vanderbilt 183. Sacramento - Almonte, Tito, T, Virginia 184. Champaign - Hardy, Quinn, T, Texas Christian 185. Texarkana - Grier, Carlton, FB, Wyoming 186. Sault Ste. Marie - Girardi, Scott, S, Georgia Tech 187. Tijuana - Gregg, Louis, WR, Houston 188. Fort Knox - Thornhill, Brad, G, Colorado State 189. Bermuda - Pilgrim, Blake, DT, Utah State 190. Sault Ste. Marie - Came, Sammie, P, Arizona 191. Lake Erie - Burks, Karl, T, Miami, Florida 192. Puget Sound - Burroughs, Sammie, TE, Iowa State 193. Thunder Bay - Powell, Brant, P, Iowa State 194. Providence - Horinek, Preston, WR, Southern Mississippi 195. Death Valley - Thornhill, Bennie, CB, Wake Forest 196. Niagara Falls - Erickson, Karl, OLB, San Diego State 197. Key West - Middleton, Malcolm, DT, Syracuse 198. Kitty Hawk - Backes, Craig, CB, Kansas 199. Hawk Mountain - Richardson, Jerald, CB, Georgia Tech 200. Norfolk - Barrett, Ty, OLB, West Virginia 201. Ocean City - Malone, Jonathan, FB, Washington State 202. Pensacola - Schalk, Dennis, P, Georgia 203. Fort Wayne - Lowe, Stan, S, Wisconsin 204. Athens - Finch, Warren, FB, Mississippi 205. Cheyenne - Curtis, J.R., WR, Alabama 206. Ypsilanti - Dion, Chad, S, Vanderbilt 207. Wheeling - Dworak, Renaldo, WR, Auburn 208. Louisville - Stargell, Malcolm, G, Michigan 209. Tulsa - Van Pelt, Eddie, WR, Montana State 210. Napa Valley - Baker, Deon, CB, Arizona 211. Manhattan - Castillo, Kent, CB, Army 212. Mazatlan - Fleming, Jeffrey, WR, North Carolina State 213. Memphis - Horton, Junior, WR, Delaware State 214. Little Rock - Peterson, Brian, ILB, Eastern Washington 215. Puget Sound - McNeil, Robbie, WR, Maryland 216. Champaign - Holliday, Jason, OLB, Stanford 217. Texarkana - Mireles, Hugh, QB, Ohio State 218. Nashua - Mantovani, Carlos, OLB, Vanderbilt 219. Tijuana - Dayne, Vernon, WR, Penn State 220. Fort Knox - Sherman, Andy, OLB, Southern Mississippi 221. Bermuda - Hodges, Ernest, C, Duke 222. Sault Ste. Marie - Flaherty, Rob, ILB, Indiana 223. Lake Erie - Self, Rufus, FB, Indiana 224. Puget Sound - Treadwell, Eddie, WR, Western Illinois __________________ .

02-23-2003, 12:50 PM	#101
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	Do we want to go after a young QB? If so there are 2 guys I really like: QB John Barker QB Ken Thompson Some other players who look like they would be good picks SLB- Josh Marriot FL- Darrell Hawkins SLB- Steve Dodge LCB- Devin Hopkins RG- Kris Weber

02-23-2003, 05:52 PM	#104
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I like DE Austin at this pick. He looks like he has some potential to me and we could always use a little depth along the D-line. I think we should consider addressing the kicker situation later in the draft (maybe in the 6th round?), just to get a little stability at the position. I like Covington about the same as Forbes, but I'm a little partial to kickoff distance because of the number of points we scored last year.

02-24-2003, 08:40 AM	#106
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I have some logistical problems... and won't have access to the game for a while, at least until late tonight. (My office roof has collapsed, rendering my normal office and workstation [with FOF4 loaded] unaccessible today) I'm happy to have someone else carry on from here. I'm very comfortable with taking DE Russell Austin with the next pick, of course.

02-24-2003, 09:46 AM	#109
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I'm pretty open at this point as to who we draft. I think Wade really liked Barker if he was available, so I'll go ahead and vote for Barker. If one of the LB's looks like a potential breakout player, I wouldn't mind going for them instead though. B

02-24-2003, 10:53 AM	#111
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	If we have any interest in K Rod Covington he actually went undrafted so we have the option of picking him up. For that matter K Forbes is still available too. __________________ .

02-24-2003, 11:21 AM	#112
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Dang! FB Rufus Self went with the second to last pick! I was really hoping we could grab him as a URFA.

02-24-2003, 11:45 AM	#113
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	I would really like us to sign SILB Chad Murray and convert him to LDE. He would be anotehr pass rush specialist if he pans out, but again looks like he would be a good one. And if he doesn't it doesn't cost us much. __________________ .

02-24-2003, 11:48 AM	#114
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	I am not sure what our procedures on signing players after the draft etc are and I am not sure if we want to just rn a vanilla training camp or not so here are the updated files before training camp. File #1

02-24-2003, 11:49 AM	#115
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	File #2

02-24-2003, 03:53 PM	#116
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	We currently have 54 players on the roster since the rules state we need to bring 60 to camp here are 6 undrafter rookies i would like to see us sign...(They are not based on positional needs, but just the 6 players I would most like to see us go after) K Jose Forbes K Rod Covington RG Stanley Blood RB Tyrone Fiste FB Alan Pedroza CB Lewis Sinclair

02-24-2003, 03:55 PM	#117
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Sweet! Fiste made it through. He looks like a decent backup RB if we end up getting rid of one our other guys.

02-24-2003, 03:55 PM	#118
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Well I think we have two problems. 1) You can only have 5 of those guys because I want to bring SILB Chad Murray in. 2) I don't think we have enough money to sign 6 players even to min sal. We may have to cut someone in order to do that. __________________ .

02-24-2003, 04:01 PM	#119
Doug5984 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisiana	Ok...well we need to decide on who to cut, just taking a quick look CB Alfred Dennis came to mind, unless Boyd is a bust Dennis would probably be the # 4 guy, we would save close to 2 million by cutting him, and his contract is up after next season and I think it would be unlikely that we would bring him back after that. And since we do need to cut 1 player, that means we will need to sign 7 undrafted guys.....I don't really say we get all the guys I listed I was just throwing some names out there.

02-24-2003, 04:25 PM	#120
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	If we really think Tyrone Fiste could be a solid backup at running back what about trying to trade RB Baker? That would free up a little cap room. __________________ .

02-24-2003, 04:37 PM	#121
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I like LT Lenny Bradley as far as o-linemen. If we can sign him I'd be happy. RG Stanley Blood looks like a classic bust to me.

02-24-2003, 04:45 PM	#122
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Guys I think might be good pickups: Lenny Bradley LT Tyrone Fiste RB Clay Anthony DE Alvin Navarro DT Rod Covington K Tom Gamboa CB (maybe bust? not sure) I'd rather not trade Baker unless it's necessary myself. I'd rather cut a vet. Edit: Not necessarily recommending signing these guys, but just think we should look at them. I think we need to get a K and FB for backup. Last edited by Bee : 02-24-2003 at 04:48 PM.

02-24-2003, 04:50 PM	#124
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	For FB I like Heath Holliman the best of the URFAs.

02-24-2003, 04:55 PM	#125
sasquatch n00b Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan	I like the signing of Chad Murray, because I actually know someone named Chad Murray. However, in real life, he's been endearingly nicknamed Choad Murray, so I think it would work well as a nickname in the Groupthink. Again, I support the signing of Choad Murray.

02-24-2003, 04:59 PM	#126
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	If we trade anyone, I'd recommend Tracy Pederson (LT). He's angry and not likely to get any playing time unless there's an injury. If we pick up Lenny Bradley, I think he'll be a decent backup this year. B

02-24-2003, 05:20 PM	#128
BigDPW College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC	I like both Covington and Forbes at Kicker... We could bring one of these guys in but I don't think we need both... Covington falls short on kicking length and Forbes will take awhile to develop some accuracy but I think all in all Forbes is better rounded... I also agree with trying to convert Murray to DE just to see how he does... I also like the idea of trading Tracy Peterson and I would have no problem with cutting CB Alfred Dennis... I also like Heath Holiman at FB to backup Brock...

02-24-2003, 07:16 PM	#129
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Ok again I hope I am not stepping on Quik's toes but in the interest of keeping things moving I have cut LCB Alfred Dennis. I have signed the following players to 1 year deals. SILB Chad Murray (moved to LDE) LT Lenny Bradley FB Heath Holliman RB Tyrone Fiste K Jose Forbes K Rod Covington RCB Tom Gamboa Of course after signing them I remembered that the lowest paid guys over the 53 man roster don't count against the salary cap. So we didn't actually need to cut anyone. Oh well. __________________ .

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