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O'Brien out as 76ers Coach and a Media/Race question.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2066717
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Now, I know race has nothing to do with Cheeks' being brought in, he seems like a genuinely good guy and solid coach. They had an opportunity to hire a guy who was a former player and popular, and that's fine. The question though, if things were switched, and O'Brien were black and Cheeks were white, wouldn't the media be up in arms calling it a race issue since O'Brien was only given one year, and took the team to the playoffs? |
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05-23-2005, 05:49 PM | #2 |
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I dont know about your race question. But I do know that the fans here wanted cheeks since larry brown left. And O'Brien was terrible.
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05-23-2005, 05:53 PM | #3 |
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So you're saying that the media likes to race-bait based on hypotheticals (if the races were reversed, if this coach had been white he would still have is job)? And you think that race-baiting based on hypotheticals of hypotheticals (if this had happened, and the media had reacted in this way) is more dignified?
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05-23-2005, 06:00 PM | #4 |
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Who said anything about either being dignified - or not dignified?
I simply asked whether or not they would have reacted in a different manner. |
05-23-2005, 06:01 PM | #5 |
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Oh, and I don't really think they would, just because it's an NBA team that sort of scrutiny has largely passed (much more so than in other leagues). Now if this was college football, I'm sure you'd hear a lot about it. And maybe it'd have the added bonus of being true.
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05-23-2005, 06:11 PM | #6 | |
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Up in arms? No. It'd get some attention, probably a little more than the actual situation is, but the NBA has advanced enough in terms of minority hiring for coaches that it's far less of an issue than it is in other sports, especially football. |
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05-23-2005, 06:46 PM | #7 |
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Yeah, advanced enough to reward the coach of the Jail Blazers.
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05-23-2005, 06:54 PM | #8 |
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Nah, no one cried when Byron Scott was fired and Laurence Frank got the job. The NBA in terms of hiring doesn't have the issues of other sports. Except in ownership.
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05-23-2005, 07:04 PM | #9 | |
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I'd say I agree with this statement 100%. Although I am not a Phoenix Suns fan, no one was up in arms out here when Frank Johnson was let go. The consensus was that he was given enough time to do something with this team, but some even commended Johnson for developing some of the talent on the roster today. At that change have most likely proven to be a good call. |
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05-24-2005, 08:33 AM | #10 |
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Is there any worse job than NBA head coach? O'Brien keeps taking teams to the playoffs and his reward is getting fired. Sheesh.
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05-24-2005, 09:14 AM | #11 |
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I look forward to the day where a black coach or white coach is fired and to the media it will just be a coach being fired and replaced..
Of course, I'm sure the media will find something else.. June 1st, 2040: Oh sure, LeBron James gets to keep his coaching job for 4 years with a .250 winning percentage but, Yao Ming gets fired after 1 year with a .500 winning percentage. Unfair I say! UNFAIR!
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05-24-2005, 12:46 PM | #12 |
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O'Brien was bad at developing young talent in Boston too.
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05-24-2005, 12:55 PM | #13 |
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Pick any coach in history and they won't win with the 76ers.
Of course they hated O'Brien, he actually expected them to follow a plan that didn't involve f-cking around out there.
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05-24-2005, 05:52 PM | #14 |
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I love AI man. "All these fingers and no rings. I'll do whatever Maurice Cheeks tells me to do. Anything for a championship."
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05-24-2005, 09:03 PM | #16 |
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Media? No, they wouldn't be up in arms about it. However, Al Sharpton would be planning a protest and some other black "leaders" would join in. The media would report on the protest because it's news, entertaining and generates controversy.
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05-24-2005, 09:13 PM | #17 | |
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Um, that day is today. I haven't heard the media refer to this in any racial terms. The same thing last year when Randy Ayres was fired and replaced by Chris Ford. The statement should be "I look forward to the day where a black coach or white coach is fired and to FOF Central it will just be a coach being fired and replaced.." |
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05-25-2005, 07:52 AM | #19 | |
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Or show-up for practice.
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05-25-2005, 12:08 PM | #21 |
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Iverson actually has been showing up for practice. The problem is when you have Korver and Webber on the court at the same time in the 3/4 postions you are very slow and allows for alot of easy transision baskets for the other team.
Iverson, Green, Igoudala, Webber and Dalambert could be a decent team next season with Korver, Mckie and Jackson off the bench. Championship i don't think so but playoffs probable. If they could pick up a decent role player with their exception that would be a huge plus. I believe Cheeks can get these guys on the same page and play together (he did a very good job with the jailblazers imho, heck look what happened to them after they fired him, 5-22.) I think the real problem was O'Brien wanted the team to play a certain way but lacked the athletic ability to actually do that and didn't adjust but expected the team to one day "get" his defensive schemes. |
05-25-2005, 12:15 PM | #22 |
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They'll never win it with Iverson. Never.
He's a great talent no doubt but he's clueless in the team concept. As are most of the players in the league.
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05-25-2005, 01:24 PM | #23 |
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If any team has a a problem with players being disrespectful the game, officials, coaches, the law or other players; why would that team hire Maurice Cheeks? He may the coach with the most experience at letting inmates run an asylum. I don't understand what people see in that guy, the Blazers have made a lot of mistakes and the players are ultimately responsible for their actions but he didn't help anything.
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05-26-2005, 10:38 AM | #25 | |
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Maurice Cheeks 01/02 49-33 02/03 50-32 03/04 41-41 04/05 22-33 Went to the playoffs 2 times, 3-7 record, lost his first 6 playoff games. THe local media seems to be divided about Cheeks, one side says Cheeks is a classy guy and we love him for it; the other side (mostly Dwight Jaynes and the talk radio I've heard) says he is a classy guy but not a good coach. Here is a sampling of their criticism. http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=28653 http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=29523 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/03/312850.shtml http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=28120 |
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05-26-2005, 11:13 AM | #26 |
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similar group of players?
i disagree Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Damen Stoudmaire, Scottie Pippen , Aruydas Sabonis, Bonzi Wells, Detlef Schremaf, Brian Grant, Greg Anthony, Jermain O'neil and Stacey Augmon are a better cast of guys then the current group. oh the team did go 5-22 after Mo was gone. |
05-26-2005, 12:03 PM | #27 |
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We can argue about players all day but Cheeks had two years with a very similar group and did not win a playoff series. I still wonder what makes anyone think he can relate to players so well. He has had lots of experience with thugs and basketcases and has not improved any of them, he may have made them worse.
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