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Michelle Wie, 2nd at LPGA Major this past weekend
Despite all the hoopla about letting an amateur into this tourney for the first time in 51 years. I'd say, she delievered..even doing better than Paula Creamer, who will be her main rival over the year.
A 15-year old..finishes behind the best woman golfer in the world right now. And meanwhile, Michelle shut most of them up - at least for a while. Story Quote:
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06-13-2005, 01:00 PM | #2 | |
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Uh, take it easy Ty.
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06-13-2005, 01:01 PM | #3 |
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The LPGA is a joke. An amateur has no business being in the "Ladies Professional Golfers Association Championship"
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06-13-2005, 01:02 PM | #4 | |
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Uh, what? The PGA tour has amateurs at majors, too.
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06-13-2005, 01:05 PM | #5 | |
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I'll await further education, but I thought amateurs were allowed to play at USGA events, but not PGA events. |
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06-13-2005, 01:07 PM | #6 | |
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Not at the PGA Championship. The PGA Championship (and LPGA championship) only allows members of the PGA (Professional Golfers association, not the PGA Tour) to play in their event. |
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06-13-2005, 01:10 PM | #7 | |
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Not the PGA Championship - the men's analog to this event. Is is (in name and previous to this, practice) a tournament specifically for professional golfers.
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06-13-2005, 01:11 PM | #8 |
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Ok..my bad QS.
The McDonalds tournament allowed amateurs, because the sponsor basically wanted a slot there for Michelle. But even when she turns pro, apparently they're still going to allow them. Say what you want about the decision, the sponsor won this one and got it right. If it increases interest in the tour and in the event, then, it makes sense. The PGA Tour has Tiger and doesn't need to resort to such things like the LPGA does.
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06-13-2005, 01:13 PM | #9 | |
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Amateurs do play in PGA events, and at all majors but the PGA. Many of the tour events have some way to qualify other than being an exempt tour member, and sponsors exemptions are given to anyone who will result in more attention from the press - including notable local amateurs.
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06-13-2005, 01:15 PM | #10 | |
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06-13-2005, 01:15 PM | #11 | |
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Adding Annika Sorenstam to the Women's Amateur Championship would increase interest in the event...... |
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06-13-2005, 01:22 PM | #12 | |
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Not the same. There is precedent to amateurs in pro events through golf history. Not pros in amateur events.
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06-13-2005, 01:23 PM | #13 |
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Signs it's a slow news day:
Arguing the merits of amatuer Michelle Wie participating in an LPGA event.
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06-13-2005, 01:27 PM | #14 | |
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I think this is absolutely true. What Sorenstam is doing right now is incredible. She's won six of eight starts (including the two majors), and finished second and 12th in the other two tournaments. Pretty damn good. |
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06-13-2005, 01:30 PM | #15 | |
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Right, pretty darn good. Not "one of the greatest runs of any athlete in any sport at any time."
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06-13-2005, 01:46 PM | #16 | |
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Certainly one of the greatest runs in golf at any time, no? What if you limited it to individual sports? |
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06-13-2005, 01:50 PM | #17 | |
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Sure but it needs this kind of qualification. Ty's quote just seemed a little over the top and over exhuberant.
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06-13-2005, 01:54 PM | #18 |
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I don't follow women's golf, so can anyone tell me what happened to Se Ri Pak? I remember her winning a ton a few years back, but haven't heard much since.
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Not the PGA also has the right to invite additional players not included, and those can be amateurs. The controversey with the LPGA this year is that they expanded the field to allow for sponsors exemptions and some of those were used on amateurs. It's capitalism. The LPGA is going to invite the players that will sell tickets, and Michelle Wie fits in that category. Bully for her that she happens to be really good and kick the ass of pretty much everyone exceptAnnika at 15. Damn impressive. |
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06-13-2005, 01:58 PM | #20 | |
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She missed the cut this past weekend and has missed 4 cuts in 8 events this year.
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06-13-2005, 02:36 PM | #21 | |
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Sure, an amateur could qualify through one of the above criteria, but looking at them, it quickly becomes obvious that the only way an amateur could qualify would be winning a PGA tournament within the last year, or a major within the last 5. The last time an amateur won a major was 1933. Only twice in the last 50 years has an amateur won a PGA Tour event, the last time in 1985. Neither player played in the subsequent PGA Championship. I cannot find confirmation that no amateur has ever played, but I am pretty sure its true, and I can verify that none has played in the past 50 years. I stand by my original statement that amateurs do not play in the PGA Championship. EDIT: As for them specially inviting an amateur. Neither Nicklaus nor Woods (who had more hype coming onto tour than anyone ever) were invited. Its simply not going to happen.
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06-13-2005, 03:55 PM | #22 |
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seriously , who is going to say michelle wie hasnt proved anything now? shes 15 and she just finished 2nd in one of the toughest events this year. she beat EVERYONE but annika. and shes 15. she had the most consistent tourney of anyone in it as well. (all rounds under par) even annika couldnt do that. michelle wie is ready right now to go out and finish in the top 10 in money EVERY single year on the lpga tour. probably top 5 even. I honestly think finished 2nd in a major championship event, is better then blowing away some other 10th graders in a meaningless no pressure event. shes gonna keep doing what shes doing, and doing it well.
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I certainly won't. I think this is a tremendous accomplishment for any part time player. As for blowing away some other 10th graders in meaningless no pressure events consider that some of those 10th graders had previously accomplished more than Wie without the hype, and the US Amateur is hardly a "no pressure event." It is the pinnacle of accomplishment for her class of golfers. Se Ri Pak is the female equivalent of David Duval?
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06-13-2005, 04:08 PM | #25 | |
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I'm pretty sure that no 10th grader has won the US Women's Amateur. In fact, the youngest woman to have ever won is 16 years old ... which would be Michelle age I believe if she wins in August. The next level competition down is the US Women's public links competition ... which Michelle has won already FWIW. |
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Typical graduation age is 18. Two years younger would be 16 and 10th grade. Ahh, as to her winning the event, its not going to happen. Michelle has 'retired' from amateur comptetions, thinking them beneath her, despite bombing at the US amateur the few times she has played it.
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Ahh, it's been a while. But you're still crazy if you think 10th grade women (or men for that matter) have accomplished more than Wie has at this age. |
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06-13-2005, 04:51 PM | #29 | |
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LOL, well substitute "amateur" for "10th grader" (which wasn't my term, it was Koruptr's)then. There are several amateurs who are more accomplished than Wie. Again, I have nothing against her (I even buy the hype and watch when she plays). I just find it laughable that she no longer wants to compete in amateur events, when she hardly dominated that level, in fact, her record was quite spotty.
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well she seems to be doing just fine competing on the lpga so far. you don't need to win to be successful in golf.
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I think it's established that pro events are a higher level of golf than amateur ones. There are plenty of amateurs who sucked it up or had "spotty" records in amateurs, only to do fantastic as professionals. So I don't think it matters, is what people are trying to say. What some people are failing to realize, is what Michelle Wie is doing has not been done in golf before. By anyone. At this age or stage in their career. But some people are just trying to find ways to write her off.
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I think Michelle's Dad has beebn pushing her to do the the pro stuff. From what I know about korean culture and what has been reported in the media the father sounds like he is psuhing her to burn out. I remember when Pak Se Ri was coming up about 7-8 years ago her father was also accused of spartan training methods like putting in a cemetary at 1:00 am until dawn.
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Sure, but she can only play 7 pro (LPGA) events a year. She needs to play WAY more often than that to develop to her full potential. She should be playing a lot more amateur events, which would provide her with plenty of competition, given her current level of skill. All I am saying is that she should not consider amateur competition beneath her unitl she consistently has success there. If its not beneath the BEST amateurs (which she has never been) its not beneath her. Others have been successful at an early age, you just don't hear about anyone but Wie. The year after she won the publinx at 13, a 14 year old won it. A 12 year old once went through sectional qualifying to make the US Open (perhaps a more impressive feat than anything Wie has done). You also don't hear much about Wie's notable flops. When she missed the cut at whatever men's tour event she played in 2004, she was everywhere. At the same event in 2005 she was terrible, and the press ignored it. When she lost early in the 2004 US Amateur, or missed the cut on the minor men's tour, nary a word. I am not trying to write her off at all - her publinx win, top 15 finish at last year's US Open, finishing second last week, and even playing reasonably well at the men's event in 2004 are all incredible accomplishments. I just think whoever is deciding her playing schedule is doing her golf game a disservice, as well as really insulting the amateur players who would give her more game than she ever imagined.
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she just qualified for the us amateur pub linx becoming the first female to qualify for an adult male U.S. Golf Association championship. good job at 15.
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It would be interesting to see what the Masters would do were she to win (however unlikely that may be).
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Hootie from Augusta National already said if she qualifies, that she can play. They want her there, because the course is suited for her and it'd be a HUGE media spectacle.
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Of course you hear about her flops. I mean, I'm always looking. Tiger didn't make the cut at any men's tournaments when he was 15, either. So if the best golfer in the world didn't, I'll give her a pass. The fact is, she's still doing this stuff consistently. If she was a flash in the pan, she would've already succumb to the pressure by now. She's obviously playing for the love of the game. Because if BJ ( her dad) and co. wanted to,they could obviously take her pro right now and she'd get plenty exemptions enough to get an LPGA tour card. Sure you could say then she'd have to deliver all the time. But, Tiger doesn't play that many tournaments in a year either. She's probably going to be the same. I don't see how playing against men isn't "helping" her. They're obviously better than she is overall. Annika played against men just once, as a way to take what she learned to the LPGA and has dominated since playing at Colonial. Michelle is obviously playing well, overall, and would easily have qualified for the tour, if she wanted to bother. I don't see how anyone can deny that she's not doing stuff that no one else has, consistently, week in and week out - and how by doing that, she's not proving her worth. If you think she'll flame out at 20, then I can see that. But Tiger was immensely successful as an Amateur and the question everyone had was "can it translate to a pro game when he decides to leave college." It did, but not overnight. Why go that route and play in a lot of - for all intents and purposes - useless tournaments against a bunch of players who won't ever make it to the big time, when you're getting exemptions and offers to play against the best now. Study them, learn from them, watch them and then...get better herself. It's the best learning lab in golf and she's being given unprecedented access to participate. I think her dad realizes he couldn't PAY for that kind of coaching, but if she wanted to stop, surely he'd let her. I think she's motivating herself, because she's the one that consistently delivers when it counts. Is she perfect? Hell no. The 12-year old you're talking about is Morgan Pressel. She's 17 now. She finished behind Michelle at the Kraft Nabisco this year. She's committed to Duke University, but says that she think she can win the US Women's Open. Should be interesting to see.
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