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sachmo71 · 11-07-2005, 08:49 PM

Go vote tomorrow. Yes, it's important.

Here is a nice site that weighs the pros and cons of the amendments.

http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/pubsconam...analyses05.pdf

cartman · 11-07-2005, 08:51 PM

Already sent in my absentee ballot

JeeberD · 11-07-2005, 09:14 PM

There's a vote tomorrow?

How have I not heard a thing about this?

Logan · 11-07-2005, 09:17 PM

I was so confused as to why last Tuesday wasn't Election Day, since it was the first Tuesday of November. Then I googled it. Turns out Election Day is on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November. How bout that shit?

jackyl · 11-07-2005, 10:56 PM

Rick Perry (guv of the Lone Star State) has left me three voice mails. I guess that whole Proposition 2 marriage thing is a big deal or something for him.

Draft Dodger · 11-07-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

There's a vote tomorrow?

How have I not heard a thing about this?

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sachmo71 · 11-08-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jackyl

Rick Perry (guv of the Lone Star State) has left me three voice mails. I guess that whole Proposition 2 marriage thing is a big deal or something for him.

I had a lady and a rancher call me. Down with the gays!

Cringer · 11-08-2005, 09:00 AM

My wife is considering canceling my kids soccer practice so she can go vote. Although I am sure things won't go our way, not in this state......

Cringer · 11-08-2005, 09:17 AM

Dola- And vote NO for #1. To hell with the railroad industry. Those bastards do everything they can to take business from the trucking industry. And trying to blame congestion on the highways and bad air quality in Texas all on trucks just so they can get taxpayer money to build rails is BS.

When it took me almost 2 hours to cross Houston the other day I remember seeing about a lot more cars then trucks, and the problem seemed to be the piss poor highway system which is made worse by the construction.

But I see how it works, it's the Texas Transportation Commission which I understand has always been pretty pro-railroad, once again helping out their friends. Lets give money to the rail industry and then build a toll-road and charge the crap out of trucks. Assmunchers....

cartman · 11-08-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

I had a lady and a rancher call me. Down with the gays!

Yep, I had several voice mails waiting for me when I got back from Europe that said if I didn't vote for Prop. 2, I'd catch "teh ghey".

sachmo71 · 11-08-2005, 10:07 PM

[rant]
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.
[/rant]

JonInMiddleGA · 11-08-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

I guess I shouldn't be surprised

No, you shouldn't. Nor should you be surprised that Texas provided what I would call the sterling highlight of an otherwise mildly disappointing election day.

We had diddly squat on the ballot here today, so I had to settle for kibbitizing elections in other states -- I believe this is the first election in 20 years of voting eligibility that I consciously decided to stay home & not bother. All we had here was an unexpired term of the (recently deceased) Probate Judge & a SPLOST 1% tax vote. I was thoroughly unimpressed by either candidate + I won't be here a year from now and the outcome of the 1% tax was a foregone conclusion, just like every other tax measure that goes on the ballot here (passed nearly 2-1).

Honolulu_Blue · 11-08-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

[rant]
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.
[/rant]

Amen to that.

JeeberD · 11-08-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

[rant]
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.
[/rant]

Agreed...

jackyl · 11-09-2005, 12:22 AM

So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children.

And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?

Airhog · 11-09-2005, 06:47 AM

I thought there was only steers and queers in texas...I guess the steers won this round...

sachmo71 · 11-09-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jackyl

So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children.

And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?

I read you on this, but I really like your reaction to this.

"Yeah, it will tear down the walls of society. Another scotch on you? Thanks, Dad!"

Ragone · 11-09-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Airhog

I thought there was only steers and queers in texas...I guess the steers won this round...

you forgot beers my friend.. which obviously was the prevote beverage of choice

sachmo71 · 11-09-2005, 08:20 AM

There is a house made of beer cans in Houston, so you may be onto something there, Ragone.

bryce · 11-09-2005, 08:20 AM

Looks like the homeless shelter was approved (Dallas), gay marriage was banned, and the strong mayor (Dallas again) was defeated (I really think this would pass if anyone but Laura Miller were mayor...)

edited for typo and add applicable to Dallas

Subby · 11-09-2005, 08:23 AM

Does that vote outlaw civil unions as well?

How does it effect domestic partnership insurance benefits?

sachmo71 · 11-09-2005, 08:23 AM

Yeah, I was surprised by the homeless shelter getting passed. Nice to see, but Staubach won't be happy.

Ragone · 11-09-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Yeah, I was surprised by the homeless shelter getting passed. Nice to see, but Staubach won't be happy.

Roger Staubach? heh

colt45 · 11-09-2005, 08:24 AM

I thought I saw that Dallas as a county had voted to oppose Prop 2 (Gay Marriage) - so you guys aren't totally on board with Bush and his right wing agenda. Now if the rest of the state could wake up...

sachmo71 · 11-09-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Does that vote outlaw civil unions as well?

How does it effect domestic partnership insurance benefits?

Here's a link to the props....

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections...onsamend.shtml

I didn't see anything in the language that mentioned civil unions. I figure it's just a matter of time, though. People don't usually rest on their heels after such an overwhelming victory.

albionmoonlight · 11-09-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jackyl

So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children.

And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?

Churches that want to keep their tax-friendly status really should not be doing political advocacy related to particular issues on the ballot.

Crapshoot · 11-09-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

[rant]
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.
[/rant]

The people who oppose gay rights today will be looked upon in time as the same kind of people who opposed civil rights back in the day - the arguements, and the constuiences, are remarkably similar - the concept of enshrining descrimination into the constitution is repulsive. Give it time. Just looking at this board, I bet if we polled gay rights by age, we'd see the split.

albionmoonlight · 11-09-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Does that vote outlaw civil unions as well?

Yes, it does--read the language on the first link in the thread. It goes out of its way to prevent any Texas entity from recognizing any relationship similar to marriage.

But we all knew that this issue was never about "protecting marriage," despite the dressed up language used by the "one man, one woman" crowd. It's about codifying discrimination against homosexuals. If it were anything less than that (at least in Texas), then the amendment would not have discussed civil unions at all.

sachmo71 · 11-09-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

Roger Staubach? heh

That was mostly tongue in cheek, and Staubach has been very generous to the homeless in the past. However, downtown developers did a study on the negative impact that a homeless assistance center would have on the central business district if it were built there, and he is a major player in that arena.

Joe Canadian · 11-09-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

[rant]
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.
[/rant]

Agreed.

Subby · 11-09-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

The people who oppose gay rights today will be looked upon in time as the same kind of people who opposed civil rights back in the day - the arguements, and the constuiences, are remarkably similar - the concept of enshrining descrimination into the constitution is repulsive. Give it time. Just looking at this board, I bet if we polled gay rights by age, we'd see the split.

I completely disagree with this. The civil rights movement had its roots in evangelical christianity. It was easy for Martin Luther King, a preacher, to claim the moral highground for the disenfranchised.

It just isn't that cut and dried here. Evangelical Christianity is gaining momentum in this country and around the world. The Episcopal Church is in crisis and bordering on fracture. There is heavy prejudice toward gays from groups of people that were themselves discriminated against just a generation or two ago.

I think it is only going to get worse in the next 100 years.

Joe Canadian · 11-09-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I think it is only going to get worse in the next 100 years.

I really hope your wrong.

Subby · 11-09-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

I really hope your wrong.

Me too.

colt45 · 11-09-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

I really hope your wrong.

Agreed. It's a scary thought. Scarier still is the fact that it IS a real possibility.

Joe Canadian · 11-09-2005, 08:59 AM

If it does get that bad... you're always welcome up here.

sachmo71 · 11-09-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

If it does get that bad... you're always welcome up here.

Gotta stay and fight.

Joe Canadian · 11-09-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Gotta stay and fight.

I'll be rooting for you!

11-07-2005, 08:51 PM	#2
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Already sent in my absentee ballot __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

11-07-2005, 09:14 PM	#3
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	There's a vote tomorrow? How have I not heard a thing about this? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-08-2005, 09:00 AM	#8
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	My wife is considering canceling my kids soccer practice so she can go vote. Although I am sure things won't go our way, not in this state...... __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

11-08-2005, 09:17 AM	#9
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Dola- And vote NO for #1. To hell with the railroad industry. Those bastards do everything they can to take business from the trucking industry. And trying to blame congestion on the highways and bad air quality in Texas all on trucks just so they can get taxpayer money to build rails is BS. When it took me almost 2 hours to cross Houston the other day I remember seeing about a lot more cars then trucks, and the problem seemed to be the piss poor highway system which is made worse by the construction. But I see how it works, it's the Texas Transportation Commission which I understand has always been pretty pro-railroad, once again helping out their friends. Lets give money to the rail industry and then build a toll-road and charge the crap out of trucks. Assmunchers.... __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

11-09-2005, 06:47 AM	#16
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	I thought there was only steers and queers in texas...I guess the steers won this round... __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

11-07-2005, 09:17 PM	#4
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I was so confused as to why last Tuesday wasn't Election Day, since it was the first Tuesday of November. Then I googled it. Turns out Election Day is on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November. How bout that shit?

11-07-2005, 10:56 PM	#5
jackyl H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2005	Rick Perry (guv of the Lone Star State) has left me three voice mails. I guess that whole Proposition 2 marriage thing is a big deal or something for him.

11-08-2005, 10:07 PM	#11
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	[rant] I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin. I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights. You made me sad today, Texas. [/rant]

11-09-2005, 12:22 AM	#15
jackyl H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2005	So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children. And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?

11-09-2005, 08:20 AM	#19
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	There is a house made of beer cans in Houston, so you may be onto something there, Ragone.

11-09-2005, 08:20 AM	#20
bryce High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Dallas, TX	Looks like the homeless shelter was approved (Dallas), gay marriage was banned, and the strong mayor (Dallas again) was defeated (I really think this would pass if anyone but Laura Miller were mayor...) edited for typo and add applicable to Dallas Last edited by bryce : 11-09-2005 at 08:23 AM.

11-09-2005, 08:23 AM	#21
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11-09-2005, 08:24 AM	#24
colt45 n00b Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dallas	I thought I saw that Dallas as a county had voted to oppose Prop 2 (Gay Marriage) - so you guys aren't totally on board with Bush and his right wing agenda. Now if the rest of the state could wake up...

11-09-2005, 08:59 AM	#35
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