Werewolf XLIV: The Fightin’ Fundies vs. Them Gays - GAME OVER

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Quoted part of The Lottery?

Yup looks like it... Shirley Jackson would be proud.

[Blade6119]

I didnt vote to stone cronin, but ill be frank and say if i was around cronin would have recieved 2 lynch votes. I dont have any problem admitting i would have voted him as well, despite the fact he turned up good. LSG made a mistake and got killed, i dont see why cronin openly telling us not to lynch LSG should be viewed much differently. Didnt come out like we wanted, but i can easily see the wolves sticking up for lsg on day 2 when there were no votes on her yet, but it was being tossed around.

Interesting dynamics forming as far as bonds between players...odd, yet interesting

[hoopsguy]

Blade, at one point you thought Cronin had a certain role - can you share what you thought it was, if it wouldn't make life too easy for the wolves? Because I thought he might be playing a Duke role by putting himself on the list, but that must not have been the case. I have no idea why he would put himself in that position if he had a meaningful role for the church.

[Blade6119]

I thought it possible he was the seer, and scanned me on night 0...that turned out not to be the case

[Tyrith]

There's a very good, sane reason I'm not as engaged as normal : there's been nothing TO engage. We've done three full days and there's not even 500 posts. Nothing is going on, so it's very hard for me to talk a lot when nothing is really happening.

[Abe Sargent]

One of you is walking along a forest trail minutes before the sunrise. You want to see God’s Eye as it breaks the horizon. You come across a damp spot on the ground, but that shouldn’t be It was too warm for dew last night.

The dampness is a sticky, dark mess. A fear grips your heart and all thoughts of sunrise escape your head. You follow the trail of blood to its origin, behind a bush. There you find the old body of KWHIT. Her sixty odd years seem so much greater in death than in life. As before, her hands are tied in a praying formation by nearby vines.

This time, her prayerbook is open to a page, underlined in dirt. It is the following passage:

Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.




Night Three has ended. Day Four has begun and will end at 9:00 pm EST Thursday.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit. Good luck village.

(umm...i thought I was a guy?)

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

dammit. Good luck village.

(umm...i thought I was a guy?)

DT - you are still alive. It was KWhit that died, sorry.

[Tyrith]

Is DT dead or KWhit dead? I'm kind of confused.

[Abe Sargent]

I wrote it correctly on the front page, just put your name on the front here by accident. DT is on the liberal list, KWhit is dead.

[Abe Sargent]

I am a bad GM

[DaddyTorgo]

yay! i'm alive! YAYYY

and i'm on the liberal list for my curse? if I was worried about that i'd complain, seeing as how I thought I was dead and out of the game and it shouldn't count. But i'm not afraid of the liberal list so it's okay.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I am a bad GM

it's ok abe.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I am a bad GM

lies, lies
I love your games

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

You get a gold star for the day if you know what I did in my stoning post.

Originally Posted by KWhit

Quoted part of The Lottery?

Originally Posted by Anxiety

KWhit is dead.

That's a hell of a gold star.

[Abe Sargent]

No I got my night actions mixed up, DT is on as a result of a NA not because of his curse, but I put his name down in teh final draft, the front page is accurate, and the above post is accurate, but I want to verify that DT is NOT on the LL because of his post, but for another unknown reason. (Well,I know...)

[hoopsguy]

I hope that I would be able to restrain myself from cursing as I read my own autopsy, but only the Lord knows if I would have that fortitude.

So KWhit wanted vengeance - assassin role? Bodyguard? Not sure I can think of any others that would emphasize wrath.

[hoopsguy]

DaddyTorgo, do you know of any character flaw that may have led to your appearing on the Liberal list today?

[Tyrith]

I have enough now to reveal myself to the world. For, see, at night I have been doing some investigations of some people that concern me.

It saddens me that cronin fell yesterday, because I knew he was still of the light, although circumstances dictated that even if I were here I probably would not have said so at the time. And we were fortunate, because his death allowed one of our real enemies to be known...Lathum is one of...one of THEM! HE'S A GAY!

N0: hoops, clean
N1: blade, I couldn't find him
N2: cronin, clean
N3: lathum, quite gay

[hoopsguy]

If someone has an ability that allows us to move Lathum to the Liberal list during the day, now might be a good time to exercise it.

[ntndeacon]

if not I suggest we let DT fester on that vile liberal list and add Lathum onto the list post haste so we might eradicate another foul creature from Almost Heaven. I bet Lathum is really a ....Methodist too!

[ntndeacon]

to quote the good book... "dola"
Vote Lathum to Liberal List

[hoopsguy]

VOTE/LIST LATHUM

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE LATHUM TO LIBERAL LIST

*cough* looks like I was right about my saying that he could have saved cronin if he wasn't a wolf hmm?

as for why i'm on the list...are we allowed to reveal that? my PM did tell me of a reason I could end up on the list. I suppose I might be comfortable revealing it, but I'd rather hold onto it for a little and see if whoever was snooping around wants to hint at it and gain my trust.

well done tyrith

[DaddyTorgo]

blade...can anyone account for your whereabouts on night 2?

[Tyrith]

VOTE LIST LATHUM

Although I doubt it'll stick, but why not.

[ntndeacon]

I think it should stick Tyrith. and here is why. those that vote for stoning DT today when we have a verified one of them ready to go on the list is sure to draw the ire of many faithful believers.

[DaddyTorgo]

well how's this for hoping it sticks.

I am the Deacon of the Church. I have no special powers. I know why I'm on the list, it's a relatively benign liberal leaning. It has to do with ensuring that all God's children retain all civil liberties under the laws of this great country and the laws of the lord.

If you are truly of the village you will not vote to stone me. A vote to stone me, or an attempt to convince people to vote for me ought to be tantamount to an admission of wolfishness. Therefore, if someone votes for me, they should be the other wolf.

I doubt that will be enough to save me however, but at least it's all out there. It's the best thing I can do...unless someone has an action that can move me off the list or immobilize lathum.

[path12]

Catching up. Feel bad for missing the vote, but it was unavoidable...

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

well he didn't act like one.

I couldn't disagree more, and I'm one who finds Cronin suspicious at least 75% of the time. You will be getting my vote tomorrow.

[path12]

Well, darn it....Tyrith nailed it right after that, and now it just looks like piling on instead of a good call. Good thing my ego isn't wrapped up in this.

VOTE LATHUM LIST/STONE/WHATEVER

[path12]

By the way, why couldn't Blade be found when you looked for him?

[Blade6119]

DT, why do i need to account for my night actions on night 2? What happened night 2 to warrant me telling?

Hey tyrith, why do you go back to my exchange with cronin about his potential role and the question i asked him. Does it make more sense now(and my remarks about how i could have been attempted to be night killed night one, since nothing was touching me that night)? I remarked to cronin about a failure not meaning i was evil, and now as it appears i should have been addressing you i hope you can cross-check that info with when it was posted(long before your reveal)

[Blade6119]

DT, do me a favor...explain to me the liberal leaning. What makes you liberal?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

DT, do me a favor...explain to me the liberal leaning. What makes you liberal?

Do you think they would know? I don't. I think that is the kind of thing that would be kept from you until x event happens.

[DaddyTorgo]

because blade: tyrith came looking for you but couldn't find you. I'm just wondering if anyone else can vouch for what you were up to that night. it's the same question you'd ask of anyone else in that situation, so your defensiveness is raising my eyebrow a little.

As for what landed me on the list...as I said...i'd prefer to wait to see if whomever discovered it wants to hint at it and thus gain my trust before I come out and say it myself.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

because blade: tyrith came looking for you but couldn't find you. I'm just wondering if anyone else can vouch for what you were up to that night. it's the same question you'd ask of anyone else in that situation, so your defensiveness is raising my eyebrow a little.

As for what landed me on the list...as I said...i'd prefer to wait to see if whomever discovered it wants to hint at it and thus gain my trust before I come out and say it myself.

It wont happen, so dont hold you breathe...i will never be cleared this game.

And as for that, id like a time frame before you reveal...as if it doesnt come in time, im going to have to press the issue

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Do you think they would know? I don't. I think that is the kind of thing that would be kept from you until x event happens.

Trust me, they know...at least those that are telling the truth and are good but still liberal know. Thats a major reason im pressing DT for details on this, as i have a check of sorts.

[Blade6119]

VOTE LATHUM TO THE LIST

Tyrith earned a fair amount of trust with his reveal, but not 100% from me. I told everyone in public nothing evil was touching me night 1, which was true. But i didnt say good too, which would be quite a jump for him to make if he was lying...so his claims fit with what i know would happen, and as such i trust him the most in the game right now.

[Chief Rum]

So is Tyrith saying he is the seer? He never actually said it in so many words, so I want to be sure.

DT, it is rather convenient for you to come up with this explanation. If you're one of them gays, obviously, this could be a sign you have been outed. If what you say is true, it could still mean you could be converted. I'm not sure your reveal (regardless of its timing) makes a difference ultimately on whether we should stone you or not. I don't have aclue right now, though, which way I am leaning with you.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

VOTE LATHUM TO THE LIST

Tyrith earned a fair amount of trust with his reveal, but not 100% from me. I told everyone in public nothing evil was touching me night 1, which was true. But i didnt say good too, which would be quite a jump for him to make if he was lying...so his claims fit with what i know would happen, and as such i trust him the most in the game right now.

Refresh my memory, if you could, Blade. When you say Night 1, do you mean Night One or the first night (Night Zero)? Just wanted to clarify.

[Chief Rum]

I know it's likely that Tyrith is on the up and up and Lathum is sexually immoral. That said, does anyone think this is all a little too convenient? Lathum makes an odd decision with cronin and really puts himself out. Could be a veteran wolf play. But it's still a little early to be playing that sort of game, especially with one wolf already gone. Lathum could indeed be gay, but it seems to me we could also be led down that path rather easily with what Lathum did yesterday. Is it not the perfect opportunity for the wolves to throw someoen they know is good under the bus?

I am very suspicious with how Lathum immediately received a good string of liberal votes, and everyone has bought into the reveals so readily so far. I think we should be a little less hasty and see if we can get more confirmations on these roles or ask some people some hard questions about the natures of their roles. I can't put my finger on it yet, but this feels a little too easy.

[Blade6119]

I actually had convinced myself that tyrith was trying to save DT with this story, seeing as how he would buy DT 4 days(2 to kill lathum, and then 2 to kill himself). But, his story(or few words) about me fits what i expected the seer to say after scanning me(and the resulting distrust...i just had the wrong person of the two after me pegged as the seer).

I suppose he could be evil, but if he is the real seer needs to reveal. We are late enough in this game, where a 1-1 swap(and likely 2 if you factor DT) is worth it. So until someone else comes out, i believe him both based on the merit of his story in regards to me and the fact no one has contradicted him.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Refresh my memory, if you could, Blade. When you say Night 1, do you mean Night One or the first night (Night Zero)? Just wanted to clarify.

Well, the night tyrith claims to scan me is night one. That is also the night we dont have a evil kill(which could say something, as any kill attempt on me that night was going to work). On night 1, or the second night in this game, nothing good or evil was going to do anything to or with me. Thats why i offered up the idea i might have been the night kill target(and why i hinted strongly that day i had the seer role, so i could draw an attack). I dont know if that actually happened, and i dont know if tyrith is lying or telling the truth. But his story should be easily voidable if we have a real seer who can come out.

DT can also ease my mind by telling me why he is a liberal, as i have a nice check. I know for a fact that there are good players with liberal tendencies, and they know they have liberal tendencies, and they know why they have them. I cant say it any more clearly then that without putting myself on the list.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well, the night tyrith claims to scan me is night one. That is also the night we dont have a evil kill(which could say something, as any kill attempt on me that night was going to work). On night 1, or the second night in this game, nothing good or evil was going to do anything to or with me. Thats why i offered up the idea i might have been the night kill target(and why i hinted strongly that day i had the seer role, so i could draw an attack). I dont know if that actually happened, and i dont know if tyrith is lying or telling the truth. But his story should be easily voidable if we have a real seer who can come out.

DT can also ease my mind by telling me why he is a liberal, as i have a nice check. I know for a fact that there are good players with liberal tendencies, and they know they have liberal tendencies, and they know why they have them. I cant say it any more clearly then that without putting myself on the list.

Not sure I agree it's a good time for a seer to reveal. Remember, no one died at all for two days. We only have four players gone from an original 14, meaning we have ten left. I think there has to be at least two wolves left, with maybe more and/or conversion possibilities. I don't think a seer or a BG should reveal for at least another day, maybe two. The timing seems thrown a bit by the fact it is Day Four now, but, really, it's like it is Day Two without the kills.

If the seer feels that it is too soon to reveal normally, is it too much of a trade off for him to reveal now to get Tyrith? I would rather not lose the seer tonight with eight players still left in the game (meaning another three full day-night cycles at least, if it goes to the wire).

All this is assuming Tyrith is fake revealing. It could be he is telling the truth. But this is just too convenient, IMO.

[ImTheCrew]

Blade care to share where you were last night?

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I took Tyrith's statements as "I'm the seer" and went along because I don't see a particularly compelling 1:1 trade at this point in the game for him. I would be more skeptical later in the game, frankly.

We have ten players left, we have finished off one wolf and Tyrith is giving us another one. I like our position at the moment. And, of course, I like that Tyrith is clearing me and condemning the guy that I've suspected. From that standpoint it is pretty easy for me. But if Lathum shows up as a Fundy, then we go after Tyrith and Daddy Torgo next.

Does anyone see a scenario where neither Tyrith nor Lathum are gay? If not, lets do this. Heck, I'm willing to vote nightfall on it to move the game along ... I know next week is going to be challenging for me timewise so I would like to cram as much gameplay in as possible now. And this really does seem pretty straight-forward. I don't know what Lathum would say that would deter me from heading in this direction today.

[DaddyTorgo]

Blade...I will happily be explicit about what caused me to end up on the liberal list. If you'll notice my earlier post about the subject I did hint about it. Probably a bit too hidden, but then again as we all know, that's my MO. I will say again that it's not anything related to being one of "them".

As for CR...I don't have a feel on him one way or the other. I think he raises some valid points certainly about how this is all falling into place rather easily, but I am not comfortable saying "well he must be good because he raises these points and is worried."

[Lathum]

I can't believe you all bought into Tyrith's "reveal" so fast. I know I am good so this must be Tyrith making a wolf play.

With 10 people left it is possible there is a 8-2 or even a 7-3 split.

Did anyone consider the fact that Daddy Torgo could be bad and this is a move by Tyrith to save him?

Think about it, DT stays alive today and you waste a day putting me on the liberal list. They get a night kill tonight then it is 7-2 or even 6-3.

Lynch me tomorrow and it is 6-2 or 5-3 putting us right on the endgame cusp.

This move by Tyrith not only buys them gays time but gives them a chance to get 3 fundies killed before Tyrith could be bought to justice.

If you don't want to believe me that is fine, but I only ask one thing. After the deadline tonight I assume I will be on the liberal list, I ask Tyrith gets himself added to the liberal list during the night phase. Once I come up good he is already on the list and you don't have to waste an extra day by voting him to the list. This could be the difference for us.

[Lathum]

dola- The real seer shouldn't reveal at this point