WW XCII Athens -- Destroyed by Wolves!

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmm, 6 of us left a tie probably would be to hard to pull off.

If it doesn't happen then you duke the person you want to duke. Or save it for tomorrow, if you think that you will be around to use it then. But that is the wildcard in the equation that the wolves cannot control.

Our voting records are minimized in this game already with the potential of wolves sending wolves down to Hades. At this point, I'm fine with us orchestrating something during the day even if it minimizes voting records. We are going to win, or lose, this game based on which side can push the other side into making bad decisions over the next 1-2 days. I think this move puts a lot of pressure on the wolves if there are two of them left and one is in the mix here.

It puts a lot of pressure on you, too. Don't screw up Seriously, if you want feedback on the duke vote near the deadline I'm hoping that I'll be around. You can get feedback from whoever you trust (or don't) in the thread and act accordingly.

[Lathum]

I have a conditional order to duke to theNorm if need be.

[Lathum]

dola- and I agree we are very tied up with the potential that the wolves sent down one of their own.

[Lathum]

question for Pass

I know that if the wolves sent down one of their own, in our case CR and Schmidty, they come up villager.

But if they had a role would they come up as just a villager, or villager + their role.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

question for Pass

I know that if the wolves sent down one of their own, in our case CR and Schmidty, they come up villager.

But if they had a role would they come up as just a villager, or villager + their role.

All wolves show up as vanilla villager if sent down to Hades.

[Lathum]

question about War

The rules say if one city declares war that city is turned over to the wolves.

But what happens in the other city? How does the war play out? Do we occupy that city? etc...

I am just wondering because if we are at 4-2 and get a bad result tonight we may be done anyway.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

question about War

The rules say if one city declares war that city is turned over to the wolves.

But what happens in the other city? How does the war play out? Do we occupy that city? etc...

I am just wondering because if we are at 4-2 and get a bad result tonight we may be done anyway.

Yes, you guys occupy that city, and everyone in here goes over there immediately. In case this happens late in the day, your lynch votes will not change, but of course may be changed to vote for anyone.

[Lathum]

so if we declare war...

we can confirm for them their seer is good.
we can pretty much confirm their hoplite is bad.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, and you'll still be able to view this thread (but not post), but the Spartans will not.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, will we know if/when Sparta has been won by the villagers or wolves? What happens when you win a city? Does the game end or do we get a chance to help liberate the other city or Hades?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Pass, will we know if/when Sparta has been won by the villagers or wolves? What happens when you win a city? Does the game end or do we get a chance to help liberate the other city or Hades?

You will know if Sparta has been won by wolves, but not if it's been won by villagers (the Spartans won't even know if that's happened). When the wolves win a city, it is destroyed and everyone in it goes to Hades, but when the villagers win a city, nothing happens.

[Lathum]

So if nothing happens when villagers win a city what happens to the remaining villagers?

[hoopsguy]

So does the thread just close down when villagers win a city? If we win Athens do we continue posting in the thread? I assume we know when we have gotten rid of the last wolf?

Obviously we do not declare war at that point

[hoopsguy]

Let me guess - you weren't planning on the villagers actually winning a city, right?

[Passacaglia]

The villagers stay in the thread, but the thread is not closed down. The problem is that no announcement will be made to let you know the village has won, so you'll have to determine when you've won, and what you plan to do at that point yourselves.

[Lathum]

yeah, very confused right now about that.

If there are no more wolves then no more night kills, no night kills then no more deaths, no deaths no Hades.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Let me guess - you weren't planning on the villagers actually winning a city, right?

Give me some credit -- I'm actually rooting for the villagers this game!

Originally Posted by The Rules

Villagers win a city by removing it of all wolves – there will be no notification when this has happened.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

yeah, very confused right now about that.

If there are no more wolves then no more night kills, no night kills then no more deaths, no deaths no Hades.

Right, but if there are no night kills, does that always mean there are no more wolves? And are wolves the only way people die?

[hoopsguy]

I guess we can "lose" if the other two locations fall to the wolves, if that is what you mean.

Technically, we are not going to learn if we win/lose the game until we get to two people left in town and the town isn't destroyed. Or at least that is how I'm reading it based on what you describe above.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I guess we can "lose" if the other two locations fall to the wolves, if that is what you mean.

Technically, we are not going to learn if we win/lose the game until we get to two people left in town and the town isn't destroyed. Or at least that is how I'm reading it based on what you describe above.

then what happens to the final 2 villagers?

[Lathum]

TheNorm -- 1 Lathum (429)
MartinD -- 2 PurdueBrad (436) Hoops ( 449)


is this correct?

[Passacaglia]

Yes.

[TheNorm]

If you want a tie, then here it is.

vote TheNorm

[TheNorm]

I can't guarantee I'll be back before deadline; if I can I'll check what's going on. I'm still claiming innocence but if this can help the villagers pull out a victory then I'll play along.

[Lathum]

Norm, I think it would be more helpful if you stated your case for innocence.

[MartinD]

While I'm not exactly happy about being part of a plan that involves me getting lynched, I'm willing to participate for the good of the villagers.

VOTE THENORM

[TheNorm]

Sure, but I'm at work and don't really have the time to explain. Anything I could tell you as a non-roled villager isn't likely to help me regardless--you've already got your reversal lined up on me if things switch anyway.

Amazing--I was going to stick with my day one vote on day 2, but since everyone wanted to go after Tecmo I followed suit. I'm innocent but being a sheep is going to get me shipped out. Take it or leave it.

[hoopsguy]

Interesting, where is Abe and is he willing to put the final vote on the guy that he nominated as Ephor back on Day 1?

[MartinD]

TheNorm - I might be missing a trick here, but I don't see why voting for yourself helps us towards a tie. If we try to engineer a tie, all you need to do is change your vote at the last minute to screw things up. If we cross-vote (i.e. you vote for me/I vote for you), that option isn't available, as if one person changes their vote, they're the one who gets lynched.

Anyway, I'm out until after deadline. As I said in my previous post, I am willing to be sacrificed in a tie vote for the good of the villagers.

[hoopsguy]

TheNorm - I'll flip votes with you to address MartinD's very valid concern. I understand the idea of self-voting as a show of support but he is 100% right that you could break it all by yourself.

Of course, this makes Abe's decision a little easier ... oh well, maybe Lathum can address this if/when he gets back.

UNVOTE MARTIND
VOTE THENORM

[Lathum]

so just waiting on Abe to vote

[Abe Sargent]

I hate self voting. It's almost never the right play.

[Abe Sargent]

So it looks 4 TheNorm and 1 MartinD right?

[Abe Sargent]

Does it seem liek martinD and TheNorm are both willing participants too much? Does that throw anyone else off like it does me?

[hoopsguy]

I think that is correct, although we are hoping that we are going to see it end up at 3-3 so that Lathum does not have to use his duke.

If TheNorm really wants this to end 3-3 then he'll change it when he gets back. If it looks like he won't be back (MartinD seems unlikely to be back, based on his posts) then I'll flip back to make it 3-3.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Does it seem liek martinD and TheNorm are both willing participants too much? Does that throw anyone else off like it does me?

I think it means that someone is going to be coming in late and changing.

[Abe Sargent]

Alright

Vote martinD

Let's see what we see

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Hey everyone!

Originally Posted by TheNorm

More often than not, I'm available around that timeframe--I'll be at work Tuesday-Friday at those times, but I can get online around that time.

Originally Posted by TheNorm

FYI--I have played this game before, even if it wasn't here. I'm not exactly new to this, so cut me some slack.

I do have to step out for a little while though and I can't guarantee I'll be back by 2pm, so...I don't know. I'm siding with EagleFan here, albeit with reservations. Gut feeling tells me he's a villager here.

vote Abe

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Nope.

It does but I see no way one of them isn't a wolf unless Schmidty was the marathoner and Abe is the last wolf.

IMO Me, PB, and Hoops are cleared. Abe is phoenix, that means one of them has to be the marathoner.

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Sheesh this is a pain in the ass--thanks for putting the noob in such a position to decide.

vote Abe

Originally Posted by TheNorm

unvote Abe

vote USFL

Originally Posted by TheNorm

roffle.
I was going to stick with my Day 1 vote (as good a theory as any when nothing seems too clear) but in the time that I wrote that up about three messages popped up asking if I'd vote for USFL instead (which IIRC you were leading the last minute charge on that). That's all it is.

Originally Posted by TheNorm

I find it funny that I'm under suspicion from you, is all. Posts 352-356 all happened while I was typing out my initial vote in post 357. Since a tie would just result in the village losing two people, I switched my vote to USFL as everyone was following your lead.

If you find something wrong with that, have a go then.

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Does it seem liek martinD and TheNorm are both willing participants too much? Does that throw anyone else off like it does me?

[Lathum]

ummm

was going through some TheNorm posts.

Nevermind all that

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Does it seem liek martinD and TheNorm are both willing participants too much? Does that throw anyone else off like it does me?

It does but I see no way one of them isn't a wolf unless Schmidty was the marathoner and Abe is the last wolf.

IMO Me, PB, and Hoops are cleared. Abe is phoenix, that means one of them has to be the marathoner.

[Abe Sargent]

Unless Schmidty or CR was th marathoner. But I agree, its the best shot we got.

[TheNorm]

Alright, I've got a reveal. I know it's cutting it close, but I'm at work and my time is limited.

unvote TheNorm
vote hoopsguy

I'm the real hoplite. I wanted to hold off on revealing this because I'm fairly certain there are two werewolves, but I'm positive that hoops is one of them.

[Lathum]

Who did you guard any why?

[hoopsguy]

Well, this is interesting - I would have believed this reveal if it had come earlier. I was hoping that it would have come earlier than this, as I would have trusted it at that point. But now I'm thinking that this is a wolf caught in a net.

You have got me - I'm actually just a vanilla villager. Let me be clear - I lied about being the Hoplite, but I'M NOT A WOLF!!!!

I figured that by bluffing at the role that would help me know where to vote today. I knew I was good, I was hoping that I could trust the counter-reveal, and I would be willing to move over to the last remaining candidate as our wolf (likely Marathon).

[hoopsguy]

TheNorm - you posted earlier in the thread after my reveal, but didn't challenge my claim then. Why not? Why wait until there are only fifteen minutes before the deadline?

[Abe Sargent]

Last 15 minutes smacks fo desperation

[Lathum]

wait, what?

[Lathum]

hoops, you are claiming villager, but claiming Norm is lying?

Then who is the Hoplite?

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Who did you guard any why?

Abe. Gut feeling just to guard him.

[Abe Sargent]

WTF?