Werewolf XLVI - Sun And Shadow (Game Thread) - Game Over! Cultists win! - Page 10

Tyrith · 05-01-2007, 06:23 PM

Pretty slam dunk here.

UNVOTE ALAN
VOTE KWHIT

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Pretty slam dunk here.

UNVOTE ALAN
VOTE KWHIT

don't forget to vote for punishment

SnDvls · 05-01-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The only thing though is Schmidty pretty much revealed what his role was by his reveal. If we believe that the shadows don't have magical roles (Since converted players lose their roles when converted), it would be a stretch to accuse Schmidty of this.

this just means that Theurgist and or Ritualist needs to protect him

Tyrith · 05-01-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

don't forget to vote for punishment

Done a long time ago.

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Done a long time ago.

ok. Just checking

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 06:39 PM

well I know that the theurgist is still alive and out there, and I believe working for the forces of good, so we have a shot with that at least to protect schmidty

Joe · 05-01-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

wow! stunner of a revelation there. This bodes VERY well for the good guys. We could very well have this wrapped up quickly guys!

I wouldn't go that far. Seems easier for them to convert than us to catch them.

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well I know that the theurgist is still alive and out there, and I believe working for the forces of good, so we have a shot with that at least to protect schmidty

I believe the theurgist has no way to protect schmidty.

Tyrith · 05-01-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I believe the theurgist has no way to protect schmidty.

Why?

path12 · 05-01-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Why?

Maybe they guarded him last night? That would prevent him from using his powers anyway. The ritualist(?) I think could protect him if he knew where he was sleeping, but that also puts more of a target on him and we can't even say for sure if that role is in the game, if I remember correctly someone said earlier that not all are.

Tyrith · 05-01-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Maybe they guarded him last night? That would prevent him from using his powers anyway. The ritualist(?) I think could protect him if he knew where he was sleeping, but that also puts more of a target on him and we can't even say for sure if that role is in the game, if I remember correctly someone said earlier that not all are.

Yeah, BK said one of our better roles isn't in the game.

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Why?

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Theurgist - You can focus a magical field which will block other forms of magic from taking place. Each night you may specify a person, and they will not be able to use any magical abilities. You can't choose the same person more than two nights in a row. Note that this does not give you any knowledge of what their abilities are.

I listed the two roles earlier that I felt had any kind of Bodyguard ability, and between the two its only 5 limited guards for the entire game. No one responded or payed attention to that post though and instead decided to make up other things that I said instead.

path12 · 05-01-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

No one responded or payed attention to that post though and instead decided to make up other things that I said instead.

I just tried to bury the hatchet earlier, but if you want to insult me I'm ready to get back to it.

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The problem with the role reveal thing is that it seems very likely the 18 roles = 18 players from what has been said. I am guessing those who were selected as the starter shadow players ended up having their roles that were randomly chosen for them stripped. Whether or not they knew they "used to" be that role I have no idea.

What we could most likely surely get though is the Artificer through elimination, but you also would likely give up roles such as the seers and bodyguards and such.

You comment that people could protect the key roles.. but who would do that?
The ritualist can guard only 3 times in the entire game
The Spiritmaster can only protect the room they are in and only twice.

Thats it for protection roles, there are possibly items, but that would then require some form of protection item to exist AND be in the right hands AND be used on the right person...

So I fail to see how we can for sure have protection for key roles that choose to reveal themselves. It seems more likely to set them up as conversion targets to if nothing else remove a role from use that could harm the shadow.

Here is my post from earlier. As I can see it, the ritualist can guard Schmidty only 3 times the entire game, The spirit master can only guard the room and hope schmidty is in it, and can only do it twice in the game.

And more likely than not, without the ability to coordinate guarding, unless they revealed themselves which would be bad , they likely would possibly overlap protections.

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I just tried to bury the hatchet earlier, but if you want to insult me I'm ready to get back to it.

First, I didn't insult you in that post, second I directed it in general that no one commented on it, and evidentally ignored it since you all posted wrong information. Are you trying to stir stuff up again?

Tyrith · 05-01-2007, 07:32 PM

Well, the protects between them should at least allow for a stall for time. And it's really a threat to the bad guys...do they want to try to convert into that mess?

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 07:43 PM

vote punishment

ntndeacon · 05-01-2007, 07:51 PM

as good as it is to catch any Shadow, I doubt he will have names of any other shadow. the good part is that now we will KNOW their method of communication.

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 07:52 PM

hey maybe we got lucky and he will have another name going on. That'd certainly be best-case scenario.

ntndeacon · 05-01-2007, 07:53 PM

true, but wasn't it said he was converted not doing the converting?

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

true, but wasn't it said he was converted not doing the converting?

(jeff goldblum impersonator voice) "I can't...read or write."

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:01 PM

DEADLINE

Joe · 05-01-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

true, but wasn't it said he was converted not doing the converting?

yeah, Brian said that he saw kwhit being converted

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:04 PM

yeah. I just forgot that or somethin. blah

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I'm sad to see the path12/Alan T fight today. I'm also sad to see that the KWhit vote didn't get more attention. We can probably look back over the conversations today to see if there are any clues, but I'll share what I know.

KWhit was converted to Shadow last night. I used a Potion of Alertness and stayed in the ritual room last night. I saw a shadow member - who I could not identify - cast a spell on KWhit. I assume this has to be a conversion spell. I have already voted for him, but I will now...

Vote Punishment

Brian a question for you, were you sad to see the fight between Path and I because of some knowledge that Path is likely working with us, or just because it distracted from the Kwhit vote you had put out there? I'm trying to figure out who to target tonight and have a handful of suspects.

Peregrine · 05-01-2007, 08:20 PM

After the day's revelations, the votes for Kwhit came flying in. In the end, he was strapped down and the ritual begins. He kicked and fought, then screamed, and as the ritual of cleansing reached its peak, a cloud of evil Shadow energy flew out of him! From the magic that flew from him, it appears he was the Ritualist before the Shadow took him. When it was over he collapsed.

1) Mustang
2) BrianD
3) ntndeacon
4) Joe
5) Swaggs
6) Barkeep49
7) Kwhit - Ritualist/Shadow - Cleansed Day 2
8) Lathum
9) Chief Rum
10) Schmidty
11) Mr. Wednesday
12) hoopsguy
13) DaddyTorgo
14) ImTheCrew - Summoner - Cleansed Day 1
15) Tyrith
16) Path12
17) Alan T
18) SnDvls

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:21 PM

YESSSSSS...we did indeed get one boys!!

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:22 PM

alan...are you looking at targeting me tonight?

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 08:23 PM

Well.. good we got a shadow, but ouch thats not the role we wanted to see gone.

Kwhit a few questions, What is the form of communication with the other shadows, what type of messages did you receive/send them? Ie: What do you know that they know?

Do you know who converted you, or the identity of any of them?

Also for others with the role or items that can do this, I think kwhit is a real good candidate to try to get his magic role back if you happen to have an item that can do such, or the ability to create/find such an item. Would be really handy to have the Ritualist back.

Schmidty · 05-01-2007, 08:25 PM

I really hope I can get some protection, although I admit that I haven't figured out what roles are present.

Lathum · 05-01-2007, 08:26 PM

nice job guys. I just got home otherwise I would have switched my vote.

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:28 PM

protection for schmidty plz k thnx

Joe · 05-01-2007, 08:28 PM

can shadow players use magical items?

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:29 PM

my night action is in

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:33 PM

ya know what alan, don't answer that. it makes me look bad, and I don't REALLY need to know, as I plan on being mundane tonight anyways after my exertions last night

BrianD · 05-01-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Brian a question for you, were you sad to see the fight between Path and I because of some knowledge that Path is likely working with us, or just because it distracted from the Kwhit vote you had put out there? I'm trying to figure out who to target tonight and have a handful of suspects.

I was sad because it distracted from the KWhit vote. I put it out there as a random vote hoping whoever converted him might try to protect him. The fight provided a good distraction.

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 08:40 PM

well let's look back...did anyone try to defend him? i'm going to run out and grab some coffee but I will check after I get back

Lathum · 05-01-2007, 08:56 PM

So now that my role is out there any suggestions about what I should do tonight?

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So now that my role is out there any suggestions about what I should do tonight?

I would say if you have a good feel for someone who you think might be under the influence of the shadow, sleep them. However since you can only use your power 3 times in the game, it seems a bit early to use if its a crapshoot. In the end its your power, so if you feel confident about someone, I would go for it.

Lathum · 05-01-2007, 08:59 PM

My concern is that if I don't use it I will get converted and lose it.

Alan T · 05-01-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

My concern is that if I don't use it I will get converted and lose it.

Then I guess I would go with whom you think the biggest risk of danger to us would be. Im not going to give any names as I'm trying to seperate my frustration at people not understanding my point in today's discussion with whom I think is actually trying to stir us astray, and think I would be too biased to suggest people to you.

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 09:11 PM

if i'm under suspiscion I ask for one night to take action and prove myself. I will go back and resubmit an action to peregrine that should let at least 1 other person know that I am good.

SnDvls · 05-01-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

can shadow players use magical items?

like potions ect then yes

Joe · 05-01-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

like potions ect then yes

yeah like the scroll of identity? so there is no guarantee that swaggs isn't a shadow then

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

yeah like the scroll of identity? so there is no guarantee that swaggs isn't a shadow then

there wouldn't have been a guarentee after tonight anyway. The clock resets on the CoT each night

Joe · 05-01-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

there wouldn't have been a guarentee after tonight anyway. The clock resets on the CoT each night

unless there is nobody converted

DaddyTorgo · 05-01-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

unless there is nobody converted

correct

KWhit · 05-01-2007, 09:38 PM

*wakes up and looks around*

Wow. I just had the craziest dream.

And you were there. And you were there. And Aunt Em and Toto too.

path12 · 05-01-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

*wakes up and looks around*

Wow. I just had the craziest dream.

And you were there. And you were there. And Aunt Em and Toto too.

So what happened in the dream?

hoopsguy · 05-01-2007, 09:39 PM

Very glad to see us snag a Shadow today; hope he can provide us with some insight ASAP.

Now to go back and read the posts from today - don't normally have to do that but I was only able to skim in my limited time today. It certainly seemed like there was a good amount of info out in the open for an enterprising sort (on either side) to collect/use.

05-01-2007, 06:23 PM	#451
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Pretty slam dunk here. UNVOTE ALAN VOTE KWHIT

05-01-2007, 06:39 PM	#456
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well I know that the theurgist is still alive and out there, and I believe working for the forces of good, so we have a shot with that at least to protect schmidty

05-01-2007, 07:32 PM	#466
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Well, the protects between them should at least allow for a stall for time. And it's really a threat to the bad guys...do they want to try to convert into that mess?

05-01-2007, 07:43 PM	#467
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	vote punishment

05-01-2007, 07:51 PM	#468
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	as good as it is to catch any Shadow, I doubt he will have names of any other shadow. the good part is that now we will KNOW their method of communication.

05-01-2007, 07:52 PM	#469
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hey maybe we got lucky and he will have another name going on. That'd certainly be best-case scenario.

05-01-2007, 07:53 PM	#470
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	true, but wasn't it said he was converted not doing the converting?

05-01-2007, 08:01 PM	#472
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	DEADLINE

05-01-2007, 08:04 PM	#474
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yeah. I just forgot that or somethin. blah

05-01-2007, 08:20 PM	#476
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	After the day's revelations, the votes for Kwhit came flying in. In the end, he was strapped down and the ritual begins. He kicked and fought, then screamed, and as the ritual of cleansing reached its peak, a cloud of evil Shadow energy flew out of him! From the magic that flew from him, it appears he was the Ritualist before the Shadow took him. When it was over he collapsed. 1) Mustang 2) BrianD 3) ntndeacon 4) Joe 5) Swaggs 6) Barkeep49 7) Kwhit - Ritualist/Shadow - Cleansed Day 2 8) Lathum 9) Chief Rum 10) Schmidty 11) Mr. Wednesday 12) hoopsguy 13) DaddyTorgo 14) ImTheCrew - Summoner - Cleansed Day 1 15) Tyrith 16) Path12 17) Alan T 18) SnDvls

05-01-2007, 08:21 PM	#477
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	YESSSSSS...we did indeed get one boys!!

05-01-2007, 08:22 PM	#478
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	alan...are you looking at targeting me tonight?

05-01-2007, 08:23 PM	#479
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Well.. good we got a shadow, but ouch thats not the role we wanted to see gone. Kwhit a few questions, What is the form of communication with the other shadows, what type of messages did you receive/send them? Ie: What do you know that they know? Do you know who converted you, or the identity of any of them? Also for others with the role or items that can do this, I think kwhit is a real good candidate to try to get his magic role back if you happen to have an item that can do such, or the ability to create/find such an item. Would be really handy to have the Ritualist back.

05-01-2007, 08:25 PM	#480
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I really hope I can get some protection, although I admit that I haven't figured out what roles are present.

05-01-2007, 08:26 PM	#481
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	nice job guys. I just got home otherwise I would have switched my vote.

05-01-2007, 08:28 PM	#482
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	protection for schmidty plz k thnx

05-01-2007, 08:28 PM	#483
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	can shadow players use magical items?

05-01-2007, 08:29 PM	#484
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	my night action is in

05-01-2007, 08:33 PM	#485
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ya know what alan, don't answer that. it makes me look bad, and I don't REALLY need to know, as I plan on being mundane tonight anyways after my exertions last night

05-01-2007, 08:40 PM	#487
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	well let's look back...did anyone try to defend him? i'm going to run out and grab some coffee but I will check after I get back

05-01-2007, 08:56 PM	#488
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So now that my role is out there any suggestions about what I should do tonight?

05-01-2007, 08:59 PM	#490
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	My concern is that if I don't use it I will get converted and lose it.

05-01-2007, 09:11 PM	#492
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	if i'm under suspiscion I ask for one night to take action and prove myself. I will go back and resubmit an action to peregrine that should let at least 1 other person know that I am good.

05-01-2007, 09:38 PM	#498
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	wakes up and looks around Wow. I just had the craziest dream. And you were there. And you were there. And Aunt Em and Toto too.

05-01-2007, 09:39 PM	#500
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Very glad to see us snag a Shadow today; hope he can provide us with some insight ASAP. Now to go back and read the posts from today - don't normally have to do that but I was only able to skim in my limited time today. It certainly seemed like there was a good amount of info out in the open for an enterprising sort (on either side) to collect/use.

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