Werewolf XXX: The Ghost Council of Orzhova - Game Over - Game Ends Night Five - Page 10

path12 · 08-01-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The guy who I talked to last night (AlanT) has not indicated that I tried to harm him.

The guy who attacked me last night (Swaggs) has not indicated that I harmed him while defending myself.

The guy who slept the night away (Fouts) indicated that I tried to kill him.

But I'm the guy you sacrifice in the 50/50 decision

I'm just catching up so pardon the interruption, but this is the argument that is so far preventing me from pulling the trigger. Back to the posts now.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 08:47 PM

I think it's tied now.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 08:47 PM

If Fouts would come out and say how certain he was of his information that Hoops was trying to kill him, I'd be tempted to take my vote off of him.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 08:47 PM

Schmidty, Rum, Path, Alan with no votes that I've seen up to this point.

saldana · 08-01-2006, 08:48 PM

hoops, you still havent given me any explanation of why Fouts would make this up....is it just to kill you? like i said before, that seems like a pretty ballsy move to make this early in the game

as far as the gruul go, they are a guild within this portion of the multiverse, and they are very violent and love to inflict pain and damage...i am not real sure what use they would have for manipulating a religious figure, as they would much rather just kill him.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 08:48 PM

This voting pattern is getting a little shady to me.

I don't mind seeing if it is Fouts lying rather than hoopsguy, but if we do euthanize Fouts and he ends up innocent, these late breaking voters are going to look pretty suspicious.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood

If Fouts would come out and say how certain he was of his information that Hoops was trying to kill him, I'd be tempted to take my vote off of him.

That's exactly how I feel.

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 08:49 PM

So hoops if we kill fouts and he's a good guy do we get to play "question the bad guy" tomorrow?

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 08:51 PM

Saldana, in terms of Fouts - I had made it pretty clear that there was a 3rd person involved in my dispute with Swaggs and that I suspected that person more than Swaggs. From the time that I was silenced until the time that Fouts posted (2-3 hours) I had not picked up any votes. I think they were desperate - a 1:1 trade is better for them than a 1:0 trade.

As far as the Gruul, if you think I'm concocting stories about a 3rd guild in a universe I don't know - all the while expressing concern about becoming a liability later in the game - then you should keep your vote on me. You have a better sense for them than I do, as I have about 25 words in a PM as the basis for my thoughts on these guys.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 08:52 PM

sal, is luck much of a, or any, factor in Magic?

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 08:52 PM

10 minutes to go and we're still tied...

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 08:53 PM

Barkeep, if you guys kill Fouts and he is a good guy, then I expect to go down unanimously tomorrow. This is pretty much a zero-sum game for me.

I'll pretend to be a bad guy to make it more interesting if you would like to do that

path12 · 08-01-2006, 08:53 PM

Shit. I have no idea. I'd love to hear from Fouts. Is he gone for sure until after deadline?

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 08:54 PM

What happens with a tie?

It appears that there are probably going to be two more votes placed in the next few minutes, with Alan's pretty well known and CR's very much a mystery.

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

sal, is luck much of a, or any, factor in Magic?

Only in which cards you draw. There are a few "flip a coin cards" but they are the exception and nto the rule. I don't claim to be an expert in Magic, but I do have some cards from the first and second sets printed.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 08:55 PM

Path is your vote still out there, too?

path12 · 08-01-2006, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

This voting pattern is getting a little shady to me.

I don't mind seeing if it is Fouts lying rather than hoopsguy, but if we do euthanize Fouts and he ends up innocent, these late breaking voters are going to look pretty suspicious.

Dude, c'mon. Are you saying if I don't vote the way you do now then I'm suspicious if I'm wrong? I think there are valid arguments to make either way.

path12 · 08-01-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Path is your vote still out there, too?

Yep, and as I mentioned I have no idea which way to go.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Dude, c'mon. Are you saying if I don't vote the way you do now then I'm suspicious if I'm wrong? I think there are valid arguments to make either way.

Not at all.

But consider that we will have two close votes to look at and a lot of late breaking votes towards hoops could appear as a calculated risk by a group that is communication with one another. I don't see how we can ignore that.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 08:57 PM

Or you can look like a hero by making the right vote and earn yourself some trust.

path12 · 08-01-2006, 08:57 PM

Fuck it. Fouts isn't here, and although I'm not sure I buy hoops' story, if he's good he's too valuable to lose. And if Fouts is good, then I know where to head tomorrow.

Vote Fouts

Chief Rum · 08-01-2006, 08:58 PM

vote Fouts

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 08:58 PM

Vote hoops

I waited as long as I could to have something sway my vote. I think this last minute run to fouts makes me uneasy as anything. I'll go with where my guts have been all day long.

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 08:58 PM

Late breaking votes are, I feel, no more or less likely to eb good or bad at this point. We've seen enough bad guys willing to make a play at being cleared by voting late to condemn a bad guy for me to no longer consider the late votes, on eway or another, as having as much impact as they once did.

path12 · 08-01-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Not at all.

But consider that we will have two close votes to look at and a lot of late breaking votes towards hoops could appear as a calculated risk by a group that is communication with one another. I don't see how we can ignore that.

I'd assume if hoops is bad that his fellow wolves would be staying far away from him. I know I would.

KWhit · 08-01-2006, 08:59 PM

I really don't see why Fouts would make up the story that Hoops tried to kill him. If he's a bad guy, he knows we'll just come after him tomorrow if we find out Hoops is a good guy. A 1 for 1 trade helps us right now and hurts the baddies. It makes no sense for Fouts to be lying.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 09:01 PM

Either way, it should be exciting.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 09:01 PM

Looks like a 6-6 tie with no vote from Schmidty. As of Post #476:

Fouts - Hoopsguy (335), Cronin (438), Tanglewood (441), Chubby (450), Path (471), Rum (472)

Hoopsguy - Fouts (336), KWhit (346), Barkeep (361), Saldana (364), Swaggs (388), Alan (474)

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 09:01 PM

Gah! If we're tied i'm going to be very sad that I didn't switch my vote.

Abe Sargent · 08-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Time check

Abe Sargent · 08-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Okay folks, let me tabulate the vote.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Someone has a double-vote, no?

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I really don't see why Fouts would make up the story that Hoops tried to kill him. If he's a bad guy, he knows we'll just come after him tomorrow if we find out Hoops is a good guy. A 1 for 1 trade helps us right now and hurts the baddies. It makes no sense for Fouts to be lying.

I think it's likely he was just mistaken, and he wasn't attempted to be killed but thought he was.

Of course, at the time Fouts made his statement Hoops was under serious pressure for his bribe attempt of AlanT. Not sure if Swaggs had revealed the fighting at that point yet or not.

path12 · 08-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Doesn't cronin count two? Or was that a one-time thing?

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Gah! If we're tied i'm going to be very sad that I didn't switch my vote.

As will I, since I assumed st. cronin had the double-vote.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Someone has a double-vote, no?

Cronin. So, by the unofficial count it's 7-6 Fouts.

path12 · 08-01-2006, 09:03 PM

Sometimes this game makes my stomach hurt.

saldana · 08-01-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

sal, is luck much of a, or any, factor in Magic?

somewhat...strategy is the biggest part, from choosing the cards in your deck right down to knowing when to play them, but there is some luck involved in when you draw them (this is controlled a bit by your deck construction), and there is some luck involved in what your opponent does, but again, i would say its 90% or more strategy.

KWhit · 08-01-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Looks like a 6-6 tie with no vote from Schmidty. As of Post #476:

Fouts - Hoopsguy (335), Cronin (438), Tanglewood (441), Chubby (450), Path (471), Rum (472)

Hoopsguy - Fouts (336), KWhit (346), Barkeep (361), Saldana (364), Swaggs (388), Alan (474)

That sucks.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I think it's likely he was just mistaken, and he wasn't attempted to be killed but thought he was.

Of course, at the time Fouts made his statement Hoops was under serious pressure for his bribe attempt of AlanT. Not sure if Swaggs had revealed the fighting at that point yet or not.

Fouts entered the conversation after everything was on the table as far as our encounter. He clearly could have filled in the blanks and made hoops and/or I look bad, but the question would be why?

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

somewhat...strategy is the biggest part, from choosing the cards in your deck right down to knowing when to play them, but there is some luck involved in when you draw them (this is controlled a bit by your deck construction), and there is some luck involved in what your opponent does, but again, i would say its 90% or more strategy.

Alright. Was just kind of wondering if there could have been a luck attribute that got me involved in what happened last night.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Fouts entered the conversation after everything was on the table as far as our encounter. He clearly could have filled in the blanks and made hoops and/or I look bad, but the question would be why?

If he knew or suspected that Hoops had an important role against this 3rd clan, he may have wanted him bumped off as soon as possible. If that was his plan, it nearly worked, Hoops was the runaway leader for the majority of the day mainly on the basis of his evidence. Only his own (curious) silence condemned him.

saldana · 08-01-2006, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Alright. Was just kind of wondering if there could have been a luck attribute that got me involved in what happened last night.

i explained what i think happened last night in post 377...we will soon find out if i was even close

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 09:09 PM

Fouts is dead. My vote was switched at the deadline to Fouts anyways.

If fouts comes up clean I know who im going for tommorrow

saldana · 08-01-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

i explained what i think happened last night in post 377...we will soon find out if i was even close

actually, no we wont....we would have found out if hoops got killed and came up bad....i forgot for a second who got lynched

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 09:11 PM

If Fouts comes up clean, I know who everyone is going after tomorrow.

saldana · 08-01-2006, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Only his own (curious) silence condemned him.

i guess you missed the post where he said he had 2 finals tonight....we should know right away though if hoops is full of it....only an Orzhov will go quietly.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 09:12 PM

Should be 7-6 Fouts by my math. My vote counts twice.

Abe Sargent · 08-01-2006, 09:13 PM

With the vote tight, you refuse to listen as much to st. cronin as you did the previous night when he voted for Blade who was proven innocent in death. It looks like the vote is tied, when AlanT decides to change his vote to Fouts.

With a majority vote for Fouts, it is agreed. As two guards move to Fouts to escort him to the dias with the sacrifical altar, he stands up and brushes them away, pushing them each back five feet magically.

"I will walk myself," Fouts says.

Fouts walks up to the altar and steps in himself. He motions and the staps magically close about him. The Euthanist steps up and pauses.

st. cronin offers him an opporunity for last words. Fouts just shakes his head, proudly, as if nothing needs to be said.

Then, hoopsguys approaches to read the rites. This elicits a response from Fouts, as he spits in hoopsguy's face. "Your words mean nothing."

With a nod from st. cronin, the Euthanist begins the blooding. It is sadly obvious to you all that Fouts is completely Orzhov.

Night Two has begun. It will end at 3:30 am EST Wednesday morning

Chief Rum · 08-01-2006, 09:14 PM

This is a difficult stretch for me, as I am working in the day with no access to the Internet (or not the FOFC part of it, anyway). I have been trying to read through this thread and put ina vote before the deadline. I did just make it--but not with much time to think it through.

I decided the two corroborations (Alan T and Swaggs' accounts) versus one (Fouts) was the deciding factor for me in going with Fouts. And if Fouts goes down with st. cronin's double vote, I will have to take very seriously that it was my vote that actually put him on the euthanasia altar.

08-01-2006, 08:47 PM	#452
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think it's tied now. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-01-2006, 08:48 PM	#456
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	This voting pattern is getting a little shady to me. I don't mind seeing if it is Fouts lying rather than hoopsguy, but if we do euthanize Fouts and he ends up innocent, these late breaking voters are going to look pretty suspicious. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 08:52 PM	#460
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	sal, is luck much of a, or any, factor in Magic? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 08:52 PM	#461
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	10 minutes to go and we're still tied... __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-01-2006, 08:53 PM	#463
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Shit. I have no idea. I'd love to hear from Fouts. Is he gone for sure until after deadline? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-01-2006, 08:47 PM	#453
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	If Fouts would come out and say how certain he was of his information that Hoops was trying to kill him, I'd be tempted to take my vote off of him.

08-01-2006, 08:47 PM	#454
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Schmidty, Rum, Path, Alan with no votes that I've seen up to this point.

08-01-2006, 08:48 PM	#455
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	hoops, you still havent given me any explanation of why Fouts would make this up....is it just to kill you? like i said before, that seems like a pretty ballsy move to make this early in the game as far as the gruul go, they are a guild within this portion of the multiverse, and they are very violent and love to inflict pain and damage...i am not real sure what use they would have for manipulating a religious figure, as they would much rather just kill him.

08-01-2006, 08:49 PM	#458
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	So hoops if we kill fouts and he's a good guy do we get to play "question the bad guy" tomorrow?

08-01-2006, 08:51 PM	#459
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Saldana, in terms of Fouts - I had made it pretty clear that there was a 3rd person involved in my dispute with Swaggs and that I suspected that person more than Swaggs. From the time that I was silenced until the time that Fouts posted (2-3 hours) I had not picked up any votes. I think they were desperate - a 1:1 trade is better for them than a 1:0 trade. As far as the Gruul, if you think I'm concocting stories about a 3rd guild in a universe I don't know - all the while expressing concern about becoming a liability later in the game - then you should keep your vote on me. You have a better sense for them than I do, as I have about 25 words in a PM as the basis for my thoughts on these guys.

08-01-2006, 08:53 PM	#462
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Barkeep, if you guys kill Fouts and he is a good guy, then I expect to go down unanimously tomorrow. This is pretty much a zero-sum game for me. I'll pretend to be a bad guy to make it more interesting if you would like to do that

08-01-2006, 08:54 PM	#464
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	What happens with a tie? It appears that there are probably going to be two more votes placed in the next few minutes, with Alan's pretty well known and CR's very much a mystery. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 08:55 PM	#466
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Path is your vote still out there, too? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 08:57 PM	#470
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Or you can look like a hero by making the right vote and earn yourself some trust.

08-01-2006, 08:57 PM	#471
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Fuck it. Fouts isn't here, and although I'm not sure I buy hoops' story, if he's good he's too valuable to lose. And if Fouts is good, then I know where to head tomorrow. Vote Fouts __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-01-2006, 08:58 PM	#472
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	vote Fouts __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-01-2006, 08:58 PM	#473
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Vote hoops I waited as long as I could to have something sway my vote. I think this last minute run to fouts makes me uneasy as anything. I'll go with where my guts have been all day long.

08-01-2006, 08:58 PM	#474
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Late breaking votes are, I feel, no more or less likely to eb good or bad at this point. We've seen enough bad guys willing to make a play at being cleared by voting late to condemn a bad guy for me to no longer consider the late votes, on eway or another, as having as much impact as they once did.

08-01-2006, 08:59 PM	#476
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I really don't see why Fouts would make up the story that Hoops tried to kill him. If he's a bad guy, he knows we'll just come after him tomorrow if we find out Hoops is a good guy. A 1 for 1 trade helps us right now and hurts the baddies. It makes no sense for Fouts to be lying.

08-01-2006, 09:01 PM	#477
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Either way, it should be exciting. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 09:01 PM	#478
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Looks like a 6-6 tie with no vote from Schmidty. As of Post #476: Fouts - Hoopsguy (335), Cronin (438), Tanglewood (441), Chubby (450), Path (471), Rum (472) Hoopsguy - Fouts (336), KWhit (346), Barkeep (361), Saldana (364), Swaggs (388), Alan (474)

08-01-2006, 09:01 PM	#479
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Gah! If we're tied i'm going to be very sad that I didn't switch my vote.

08-01-2006, 09:02 PM	#480
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Time check __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-01-2006, 09:02 PM	#481
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Okay folks, let me tabulate the vote. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-01-2006, 09:02 PM	#482
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Someone has a double-vote, no? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 09:02 PM	#484
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Doesn't cronin count two? Or was that a one-time thing? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-01-2006, 09:03 PM	#487
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Sometimes this game makes my stomach hurt. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-01-2006, 09:09 PM	#494
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Fouts is dead. My vote was switched at the deadline to Fouts anyways. If fouts comes up clean I know who im going for tommorrow

08-01-2006, 09:11 PM	#496
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If Fouts comes up clean, I know who everyone is going after tomorrow.

08-01-2006, 09:12 PM	#498
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Should be 7-6 Fouts by my math. My vote counts twice. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-01-2006, 09:13 PM	#499
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	With the vote tight, you refuse to listen as much to st. cronin as you did the previous night when he voted for Blade who was proven innocent in death. It looks like the vote is tied, when AlanT decides to change his vote to Fouts. With a majority vote for Fouts, it is agreed. As two guards move to Fouts to escort him to the dias with the sacrifical altar, he stands up and brushes them away, pushing them each back five feet magically. "I will walk myself," Fouts says. Fouts walks up to the altar and steps in himself. He motions and the staps magically close about him. The Euthanist steps up and pauses. st. cronin offers him an opporunity for last words. Fouts just shakes his head, proudly, as if nothing needs to be said. Then, hoopsguys approaches to read the rites. This elicits a response from Fouts, as he spits in hoopsguy's face. "Your words mean nothing." With a nod from st. cronin, the Euthanist begins the blooding. It is sadly obvious to you all that Fouts is completely Orzhov. Night Two has begun. It will end at 3:30 am EST Wednesday morning __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-01-2006, 09:14 PM	#500
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	This is a difficult stretch for me, as I am working in the day with no access to the Internet (or not the FOFC part of it, anyway). I have been trying to read through this thread and put ina vote before the deadline. I did just make it--but not with much time to think it through. I decided the two corroborations (Alan T and Swaggs' accounts) versus one (Fouts) was the deciding factor for me in going with Fouts. And if Fouts goes down with st. cronin's double vote, I will have to take very seriously that it was my vote that actually put him on the euthanasia altar. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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