WW CV: Transformers (D5, day ends Friday 9 PM EST)

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Yeah I had thought of the same idea as you guys. But if Lathum resurrects the lynch victim it won't matter either way, we'll either find a wolf or clear a good guy. So no reason to rig an unusual vote I don't think.

Exactly, we should do a normal day of voting. If Lathum's lying, then obviously he's a wolf. Otherwise we basically get all the advantages of lynching (getting rid of a wolf) with none of the disadvantages (won't eliminate a villager), and as a bonus if Lathum's telling the truth, an extra person added to the CoT.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

By the way Jackal, I am sorry I had to come out with that information but I felt it was in the best interest to save you.

Appreciated.

I'm still catching up, but good lord. I can't get mad at people voting for me just because I wasn't here, I had to go to a dinner party, not any of your faults that I wasn't around. Still, I decided against using my role when I left because it looked like I wasn't going to be a major candidate.. boy did that change. More thoughts when I finish catching up.

[The Jackal]

Craziness. Thanks for the revive, hoops.

The only good thing about the convert is that it happened early instead of late, much easier to track a suspicious voting pattern when it gets close to endgame.

[JAG]

Ok, I think this is correct. Sorry for the sea of blue / green to follow.

Day 1 voting (green = villager, blue = role reveal but not fully cleared, red = wolf)

(55) Lathum votes EF 1 (EF 1)
(58) Schmidty votes AlanT (EF 1, AlanT 1)
(63) EF votes Schmidty (EF 1, AlanT 1, Schmidty 1)
(64) Schmidty unvotes AlanT, votes EF (EF 2, Schmidty 1)
(92) Danny votes lerriuqs (EF 2, Schmidty 1, lerriuqs 1)
(96) AlanT votes EF (EF 3, Schmidty 1, lerriuqs 1)
(108) JAG votes lerriuqs (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1)
(112) hoops votes Jackal (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1)
(114) dubb votes JAG (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(119) Autumn votes Schmidty (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 2, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(120) EF unvotes Schmidty (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(122) J23 votes lerriuqs (EF 3, lerriuqs 3, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(123) Pass votes Jackal (EF 3, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(127) Darth votes lerriuqs (lerriuqs 4, EF 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(128) lerriuqs votes Danny (lerriuqs 4, EF 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(132) JAG unvotes lerriuqs, votes EF (EF 4, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(134) Jackal votes EF (EF 5, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(139) DT votes Jackal (EF 5, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(141) Pass unvotes Jackal, votes EF (EF 6, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(144) hoops unvotes Jackal, votes lerriuqs (EF 6, lerriuqs 4, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(147) LSG votes lerriuqs (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(151) Lathum unvotes EF (EF 5, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1, Pass 1)
(170) Kwhit votes EF (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1, Pass 1)
(173) EF votes Jackal (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1, Pass 1)
(175) lerriuqs unvotes Danny, votes Jackal (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(179) GE votes lerriuqs (EF 6, lerriuqs 6, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(195) lerriuqs unvotes Jackal, votes EF (EF 7, lerriuqs 6, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(203) lerriuqs reveals as Scanner 1.0
(205) hoops unvotes lerriuqs, votes EF (EF 8, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(208) EF reveals as Witness
(214) Pass unvotes EF, votes Jackal (EF 7, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(219) Danny unvotes lerriuqs, votes Jackal (EF 7, lerriuqs 4, Jackal 4, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(221) AlanT unvotes EF, votes Lathum (EF 6, lerriuqs 4, Jackal 4, Lathum 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(224) Lathum unvotes Pass, votes Jackal (EF 6, Jackal 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(227) lerriuqs unvotes EF, votes Jackal (Jackal 6, EF 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(229) Autumn unvotes Schmidty, votes Jackal (Jackal 7, EF 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 1, JAG 1)
(237) hoops unvotes EF, votes Lathum (Jackal 7, EF 4, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 2, JAG 1)
(238) Pass unvotes Jackal, votes Lathum (Jackal 6, EF 4, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 3, JAG 1)
(239) Danny unvotes Jackal (Jackal 5, EF 4, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 4, JAG 1)
(244) JAG unvotes EF (Jackal 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 4, EF 3, JAG 1)
(247) lerriuqs unvotes Jackal (Lathum 5, Jackal 4, lerriuqs 4, EF 3, JAG 1)
(256) LSG unvotes lerriuqs, votes Lathum (Lathum 6, Jackal 4, lerriuqs 3, EF 3, JAG 1)
(258) GE unvotes lerriuqs (Lathum 7, Jackal 4, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(259) Danny unvotes Lathum, votes Jackal (Lathum 6, Jackal 5, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(260) Lathum reveals as the Resurrectionist
(264) JAG votes Jackal (Lathum 6, Jackal 6, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(268) GE reveals Jackal as Bumblebee
(278) Render votes Jackal (Jackal 7, Lathum 6, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(279) LSG unvotes Lathum, votes EF (Jackal 7, Lathum 5, EF 4, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(289) LSG unvotes EF, votes Lathum (Jackal 7, Lathum 6, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)

[Autumn]

Did you figure out what I had wrong, JAG? Or just do it over?

[JAG]

I don't know for sure, you did miss one unvote of Jackal by hoops early on, but I'm not sure if that's where you were missing something. I'm pretty sure this is correct though, it matched PB's vote counts throughout the thread.

[DaddyTorgo]

wowsers thats a lot of work

[dubb93]

Looks like according to the above post that the third vote on ler was J23, not JAG as I had claimed earlier.

Originally Posted by J23

vote Lerriuqs

Simply because I'm yet to be able to get any kind of read on him.

[Alan T]

The more I think about it, the more that it makes me uneasy having all of those blue names there suddenly become ok in peoples minds because there was no counter reveal against them. As was mentioned earlier, the wolves knew what roles were not in the game. They are not going to reveal as something on day 1 that causes a counter reveal most likely. It just ends up getting them dead on day 2 or 3 at the latest.

I've come 180 degrees on my thoughts about Eaglefan - lerriuqs from yesterday. I now think that I find it unlikely that they are both wolves. (Neither one might be even). Because of that, I think it makes sense for Lerriuqs to scan Eaglefan tonight, and for whomever our other scanner roles are to check out lerriuqs.

I think it makes absolutely no sense for any of those guys to be today's lynch target however, but I get the feeling of people starting to give passes around to folks a bit too easy in a dangerous way at least. In this game at least, I don't think we should really put players in an elevated state of trust until there is some second party who can confirm somewhat at least, or they have a way of proving their role (such as Lathum should do tonight).

[The Jackal]

I agree with not placing too much trust in them. Problem is it is muddling the vote record from day 1, if we are to believe EF and lerriuqs might both be telling the truth there were villagers leading all day. I have to stare at the votes some more.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I agree with not placing too much trust in them. Problem is it is muddling the vote record from day 1, if we are to believe EF and lerriuqs might both be telling the truth there were villagers leading all day. I have to stare at the votes some more.

I think I agree with you here. There's a lot of people in this game, so there's still a lot we can work with while under the temporary assumption that both EF and lerriuqs are good, but if not, I think we're shooting blindly into the air. Also, I figure that the roles they've claimed are more likely to be in the game, and less likely to be one of the roles not included and that could be claimed by wolves.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I agree with not placing too much trust in them. Problem is it is muddling the vote record from day 1, if we are to believe EF and lerriuqs might both be telling the truth there were villagers leading all day. I have to stare at the votes some more.

I agree, and counting you , Eaglefan, Lerriuqs and Lathum as the four front runners from yesterday, we know you are good and can trust that. Lathum can prove it to us tonight. That leaves just Eaglefan and Lerriuqs. I'm guessing that we have a shot of having at least 1 wolf among the four, but if Eaglefan and Lerriuqs are telling the truth, it would be horrible of us to lynch them.

So I don't see us having much choice other than leaving that all unresolved for another day to see what works out. (ie: force the wolves to try to kill them off (vs the bodyguard) or risk more days of their actions being used against them.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The more I think about it, the more that it makes me uneasy having all of those blue names there suddenly become ok in peoples minds because there was no counter reveal against them. As was mentioned earlier, the wolves knew what roles were not in the game. They are not going to reveal as something on day 1 that causes a counter reveal most likely. It just ends up getting them dead on day 2 or 3 at the latest.

Oh I agree, I purposefully made the separation of green / blue / red to indicate that blue isn't cleared. This has come up a couple times though, do the wolves really know what roles are not in the game? From PB's comments in the introduction, I was under the impression that they have a big list of villager roles and names, far more than there are villagers, but I didn't think it was clear that they know or don't know what roles are not in the game. If they do know what roles aren't in the game, that makes the reveals more questionable than otherwise.

Originally Posted by Alan T

I've come 180 degrees on my thoughts about Eaglefan - lerriuqs from yesterday. I now think that I find it unlikely that they are both wolves. (Neither one might be even). Because of that, I think it makes sense for Lerriuqs to scan Eaglefan tonight, and for whomever our other scanner roles are to check out lerriuqs.

If we're going to use this strategy, EF and lerriuqs should coordinate when they send in their orders. Assuming they're both telling the truth, lerriuqs can only scan EF if he is in Transformer mode, so either EF would have to forego using his power tonight or wait until after lerriuqs scans him to do so (even then waiting might not work depending on where scan / witness fall in PB's global output of orders).

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Transformer names, while for show/flavor, are oftentimes tied into powers and win conditions. I would discourage a name reveal, as you'll see further down in the rules. In addition, Decepticons and Fallen will be supplied with extra Autobot names and roles in case this occurs anyway. Also, please do not read into the wording of PMs too much as they will be individualized and dramatized for player enjoyment.

This is what someone quoted last night, it says they are given both names and roles to prevent against a mass reveal

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The more I think about it, the more that it makes me uneasy having all of those blue names there suddenly become ok in peoples minds because there was no counter reveal against them. As was mentioned earlier, the wolves knew what roles were not in the game. They are not going to reveal as something on day 1 that causes a counter reveal most likely. It just ends up getting them dead on day 2 or 3 at the latest.

I've come 180 degrees on my thoughts about Eaglefan - lerriuqs from yesterday. I now think that I find it unlikely that they are both wolves. (Neither one might be even). Because of that, I think it makes sense for Lerriuqs to scan Eaglefan tonight, and for whomever our other scanner roles are to check out lerriuqs.

I think it makes absolutely no sense for any of those guys to be today's lynch target however, but I get the feeling of people starting to give passes around to folks a bit too easy in a dangerous way at least. In this game at least, I don't think we should really put players in an elevated state of trust until there is some second party who can confirm somewhat at least, or they have a way of proving their role (such as Lathum should do tonight).

The problem with this is that I need to scan them while they're in Transformer mode. I assume if Eaglefan tails someone, he'll switch to disguise mode so that I won't be able to scan him. Thus makes it a bit tougher to figure out who to scan since I'm essentially guessing as to whether they use their night powers or elect to go into disguise mode.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The problem with this is that I need to scan them while they're in Transformer mode. I assume if Eaglefan tails someone, he'll switch to disguise mode so that I won't be able to scan him. Thus makes it a bit tougher to figure out who to scan since I'm essentially guessing as to whether they use their night powers or elect to go into disguise mode.

Ok, well I don't want to prevent someone from doing their job if they are telling the truth.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The problem with this is that I need to scan them while they're in Transformer mode. I assume if Eaglefan tails someone, he'll switch to disguise mode so that I won't be able to scan him. Thus makes it a bit tougher to figure out who to scan since I'm essentially guessing as to whether they use their night powers or elect to go into disguise mode.

Since I no longer have any ability that is worthwhile, I won't be using anything at night any more. So if you are having to guess where to go each night, you won't have to guess with me if you feel I am worth a scan at any point.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The problem with this is that I need to scan them while they're in Transformer mode. I assume if Eaglefan tails someone, he'll switch to disguise mode so that I won't be able to scan him. Thus makes it a bit tougher to figure out who to scan since I'm essentially guessing as to whether they use their night powers or elect to go into disguise mode.

I have no problem being scanned and cleared but am very wary of being told to not use my power so I can be scanned. I doubt that I will be left around too much longer and it seems like it would benefit the wolves if I didn't use my power.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Alan T

This is what someone quoted last night, it says they are given both names and roles to prevent against a mass reveal

All players got a chance to see the extra names / roles in the introduction. That list would satisfy the direct quote from the rules regarding the wolves knowing extra names / roles. Villagers don't know which ones are not in the game (at least I don't, I presume others don't as well). It is not explicitly stated that wolves do or do not know which names / roles are in the game. Sorry if I wasn't being clear on that.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Since I no longer have any ability that is worthwhile, I won't be using anything at night any more. So if you are having to guess where to go each night, you won't have to guess with me if you feel I am worth a scan at any point.

What ability did you have, must have missed that somewhere (trying to listen to a conference call while this is going on so I am too lazy to look it up ).

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I have no problem being scanned and cleared but am very wary of being told to not use my power so I can be scanned. I doubt that I will be left around too much longer and it seems like it would benefit the wolves if I didn't use my power.

Agreed. If anything, the other scanner should be scanning you or did last night.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I haven't caught up on everything including the lynch.. so if I repeat something already known, my apology.

I got my night result back and I'm basically a worthless role now according to it. I had the ability to look every night for the fallen. I was told tonight that due to Bumblebee being brought back, the Fallen is now the leader of the decepticons and has joined them. My nightly scan for him will no longer work either.

On that note, I was told prior to that lerriuqs showed no signs to me of being the fallen, but I assume based on the rest of the information that it doesn't matter if he was or not, I wouldn't know any longer anyways.

Anyhows, back to my falcons game and OOTP sim I am running.

Stated right before this...

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Note, all powers regarding The Fallen are now null and void.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by JAG

All players got a chance to see the extra names / roles in the introduction. That list would satisfy the direct quote from the rules regarding the wolves knowing extra names / roles. Villagers don't know which ones are not in the game (at least I don't, I presume others don't as well). It is not explicitly stated that wolves do or do not know which names / roles are in the game. Sorry if I wasn't being clear on that.

And assuming they don't know that, you'd assume they'd be less likely to make a Day 1 fake reveal...

[Autumn]

My life has gotten several steps crazier than it was yesterday so I'm not going to be able to chat much in here. So far I agree with most of what was said. I hope that the other scanner will scan lerriuqs (if that makes sense transformer wise) to be sure we're not letting a wolf guide us by the nose. Also, given that we have at least some players who I think can interfere with night actions or take advantage of them, I don't think we should say too much in thread about what people will be doing at night.

[Autumn]

My trust list for the moment:

Clear:
GoldenEagle
The Jackal

Not Voting for due to reveals/scans:
Lerriuqs
DaddyTorgo
Lathum
EagleFan
Lerriuqs
AlanT

Unsure of for gut reasons:
Passacaglia
LonestarGirl
dubb93

No read:
Darth Vilius
JAG
Schmidty
J23
RendeR
KWhit

Unfortunately I don't have anything but gut right now. I took too long compiling the vote list and the rest of my day is filled up. I would like to vote for one of my gut reads up there but will hold on and see if any of them turn up in anyone else's analysis.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JAG

All players got a chance to see the extra names / roles in the introduction. That list would satisfy the direct quote from the rules regarding the wolves knowing extra names / roles. Villagers don't know which ones are not in the game (at least I don't, I presume others don't as well). It is not explicitly stated that wolves do or do not know which names / roles are in the game. Sorry if I wasn't being clear on that.

PB's rules say that the Decepticons will be supplied with "extra" Autobot names and roles. I take that to mean they're given a list of names and a list of roles, and told that these are the names and roles not in the game, and that the rest are.

PB, can you confirm that?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

My trust list for the moment:

Clear:
GoldenEagle
The Jackal

Not Voting for due to reveals/scans:
Lerriuqs
DaddyTorgo
Lathum
EagleFan
Lerriuqs
AlanT

Unsure of for gut reasons:
Passacaglia
LonestarGirl
dubb93

No read:
Darth Vilius
JAG
Schmidty
J23
RendeR
KWhit

Unfortunately I don't have anything but gut right now. I took too long compiling the vote list and the rest of my day is filled up. I would like to vote for one of my gut reads up there but will hold on and see if any of them turn up in anyone else's analysis.

By unsure of, do you mean suspicious of? Otherwise I'm not sure how it's really different from no read.

[J23]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

PB's rules say that the Decepticons will be supplied with "extra" Autobot names and roles. I take that to mean they're given a list of names and a list of roles, and told that these are the names and roles not in the game, and that the rest are.

PB, can you confirm that?

I would be very surprised if this wasn't the case. I don't know how else you can read it really.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

PB's rules say that the Decepticons will be supplied with "extra" Autobot names and roles. I take that to mean they're given a list of names and a list of roles, and told that these are the names and roles not in the game, and that the rest are.

PB, can you confirm that?

This is true.

[Darth Vilus]

so who did everyone want to vote for? I'm heading out to work in a few so i need to know so i can either switch my vote or leave it where it is

[J23]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The problem with this is that I need to scan them while they're in Transformer mode. I assume if Eaglefan tails someone, he'll switch to disguise mode so that I won't be able to scan him. Thus makes it a bit tougher to figure out who to scan since I'm essentially guessing as to whether they use their night powers or elect to go into disguise mode.

One option to clear someone would be scanner 1.0 and scanner 2.0 scanning the same person the same night. IF we have both of these roles in game, it would ensure that we don't miss both of our scans in a night (1.0 scanning a disguise, 2.0 scanning a transformer). Since Lerriuqs is already revealed, he could state who he is scanning to make this happen if 2.0 follows along w/ his plan. I'm not sure that this is the best use of these abilities, but thought I'd throw it out there.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by J23

One option to clear someone would be scanner 1.0 and scanner 2.0 scanning the same person the same night. IF we have both of these roles in game, it would ensure that we don't miss both of our scans in a night (1.0 scanning a disguise, 2.0 scanning a transformer). Since Lerriuqs is already revealed, he could state who he is scanning to make this happen if 2.0 follows along w/ his plan. I'm not sure that this is the best use of these abilities, but thought I'd throw it out there.

do you think we would have two scanners? But we have a witness and an intuitive so It's very possible.

[J23]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

do you think we would have two scanners? But we have a witness and an intuitive so It's very possible.

I have no idea. I don't have any evidence that Lerriuqs is even a scanner 1.0 other than his claim. That's why I stressed IF we have both scanners. I think the bad guys knowing the roles makes this a lot more tricky.

[Darth Vilus]

That's true J23.

Alright here is what i propose (I have to say it now because i'm going to head off to work), we lynch someone who wasn't in the mix yesterday, dubb, LSG, JAG, J23, Danny, Myself, etc. so we can have a free reveal assuming that Lathum is telling the truth. if he is lying then we got ourslves a decepticon. And then the scanner(s) can do whatever they feel like doing.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by J23

One option to clear someone would be scanner 1.0 and scanner 2.0 scanning the same person the same night. IF we have both of these roles in game, it would ensure that we don't miss both of our scans in a night (1.0 scanning a disguise, 2.0 scanning a transformer). Since Lerriuqs is already revealed, he could state who he is scanning to make this happen if 2.0 follows along w/ his plan. I'm not sure that this is the best use of these abilities, but thought I'd throw it out there.

I'd have to look back through the roles carefully, but I would be afraid that telegraphing things like this would give the wolves a way to mess with the scan. But maybe that's not the case.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

By unsure of, do you mean suspicious of? Otherwise I'm not sure how it's really different from no read.

Sorry, not great headings. Yes, but unsure of I mean suspicious. Just my gut reads.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Sorry, not great headings. Yes, but unsure of I mean suspicious. Just my gut reads.

Apparently I wasn't even worthwhile putting on your list

[Danny]

It definitely seems clear that there will be a good possibility of fake role reveals throughout this game. I think it is very dangerous to clear someone just because of a role reveal.

Regarding the Lathum stuff. I lean towards thinking Hoops would have known how is power worked, but the nice thing is we can 100% confirm Lathum or not without having to lynch him. Still, at this point I am not sure where I intend to go with my vote.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Danny

Apparently I wasn't even worthwhile putting on your list

Shit, I knew I'd miss someone. I should have counted, lol. I'm providing plenty of proof of how little brain space I have for this right now.

You would be in the No Read list. Not that my lists really mean anything. I just wanted to post my thoughts since there's not much happening here and I'm not really ready to vote.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'd have to look back through the roles carefully, but I would be afraid that telegraphing things like this would give the wolves a way to mess with the scan. But maybe that's not the case.

That was something I was concerned about earlier when I welcomed a scan as well, but looking through the roles, I didn't see anything there that interfere with it.

The only things close were the cunning wolf role and the role that could block someone's action. But neither of those are what you are talking about here (I think).

I'm not sure fully how I feel about the coordinated scan idea as I'm guessing that would mean lerriuqs would have to announce his target for whomever is the other scanner to follow. But that puts too much power in lerriuqs hands if he is indeed bad and lying to us.

I don't see though how we'll ever get good scans with so many people being in one mode or another without the coordination though.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't see though how we'll ever get good scans with so many people being in one mode or another without the coordination though.

It's much more risk/reward since there is the potential for two successful scans, but also for none.

[J23]

My hope is that the other seer (if we have one) would have scanned Lerriuqs night one, and would know whether or not they could follow Lerriuqs lead. Of course, if they didn't scan him, they could on some night rather than following the pattern that Lerriuqs requested.

Given that there is a wolf power to block someone's action,

[J23]

oops, hit post too soon somehow...

Given that there is a wolf power to block someone's action, it would still be pretty easy to disrupt the coordinated scan, but it's not unlikely that the block would be used on the seer even without the coordination.

[Lathum]

boom chack a lacking in.

I have a stupid busy day today. Have to write a paper, go to class, then probably go for a run when I get home.

So far it looks like little action on the voting front.

I'll probably check back in a few times to see what develops.

I would also caution that we not be to cavalier with who is going to be scanned, etc...

[KWhit]

Pretty quiet day so far.

I agree with the idea that we look elsewhere tonight from our main candidates yesterday.

And I don't like the idea of the seer telling us who he will be scanning each night. That seems like a bad idea, even if there is a second seer out there.

[Autumn]

Time is running out for me. I'll be gone for the evening, so will probably miss deadline. The only votes so far, I think, are on dubb, one of my gut reads. I'd be pleased to have a runoff between two of my reads, so I'm going to vote another one. I'll be on for a little while longer to see if I need to switch.

For the record, Pass just pinged me with a lot of vote movement yesterday. I haven't had time to examine it, and given how little we know i don't think i'd be able to parse much. But it just struck me as someone trying to make something happen, and I don't know what. Nothing tangible, just gut, but I need to vote somewhere.

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Passacaglia]

I think you mean the only vote is on me? Maybe you're misreading a vote count of something, because dubb voted for me.

[Passacaglia]

Anyway, I'll agree that I was trying to make something happen. I hate days where nothing happens -- we don't really get any info out of them.

[Schmidty]

Checking in guys. Busy day today. I'll try to catch up ASAP.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think you mean the only vote is on me? Maybe you're misreading a vote count of something, because dubb voted for me.

Oh, my mistake if so. I hadn't looked back. I thought I remembered someone voting dubb, for the same reason I would - that he's been practically nonexistent. Then as soon as he was voted, dubb appeared with a bunch of analysis. Seemed fishy to me.

I was thinking there was a vote on dubb and that was it. I didn't remember a vote on you, Pass. I'll wait for an official vote count, but if it's just on you, I'll vote dubb instead.