Lost Season 6 - The Final Season - Page 10

OldGiants · 05-12-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I agree with the earlier post -- I think it was a good enough episode, but its placement (after a series of dramatic episodes and this close to the end) made it seem worse than it was.

My only other beef was that last week, with all the deaths, seemed to be all about proving how bad or evil Smokey was/is, which I thought was to finally show us that Smokey = Bad, Jacob = Good. Now, after watching that episode, I'm back to not being 100% certain on that.

That's why it is not good and evil, rather free will versus destiny--a much more nebulous choice.

OldGiants · 05-12-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

When the smoke monster left the hole, the light disappeared also.. So I assumed the Light joined with MiB's soul (or whatever his consciousness is) to form the smoke monster. I'm assuming going down into that hole doesn't matter any more since the light is now part of the smoke monster. (Also why the Smoke monster can't leave the island or the world will end, because if the light left the island it would be bad)

Good points. Also, light has always been a metaphor for reason which is on the side of free will. Mommy's comment about Men having a little light inside and that being enough also supports that take on the free will versus destiny front.

Science versus Faith is another way of restating free will versus destiny. They are all ways of saying roughly the same things, and those themes have been woven into the plot of LOST from the beginning.

OldGiants · 05-12-2010, 10:12 AM

Since I've got some time:

#10 I don't care. They were in random time travel mode so who shot at them is simply explained by frightened people shooting at foreigners. Not a big deal at all.

#9 There are always two groups of others that wash up on shore. The first is led by Jacob through Richard and ends up in the temple where Jacob can keep Smoky out. The second group is led by Smoky for as long as they suit his purpose.

#8 This is a big one. How does Jacob know who to pick? He does go around interviewing people, certainly more than all we've seen. The names in the cave show that.

#7 We pretty much know that now. How they apply to Ben and Widmore is yet to be answered.

#6 Sayid's sickness. No thoughts on this one. Not a biggy for me, but I understand if y'all disagree.

#5 Sideways stories are going to be explained by current Physics multi-verse theories. Faraday and his mom will be back for that, I think.

#4 I like my above theory about not spreading THE RULES to more people for this one.

#3 We know this now.

#2 As I posted earlier, I need to know this one and will be very disappointed if it is not explained.

#1 Answered.

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 10:14 AM

I think it is setting up for Jack to be Jacob's successor and stay on the island, thus trapping Fake Locke, and preserving the whole Jack vs. Locke dynamic that started in the first season.

Alan T · 05-12-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I think it is setting up for Jack to be Jacob's successor and stay on the island, thus trapping Fake Locke, and preserving the whole Jack vs. Locke dynamic that started in the first season.

I agree with this. I don't think it is Jack vs Sawyer like everyone is saying. I think it will be Jack vs Locke.

Jacob is the one that has a candidate for a replacement. Just like Jacob was the replacement for his mom. There is only one smoke monster as far as we know. The light trapped within the smoke monster is what has to be kept on the island. Since the smoke monster is now taking the form of Locke, it will end as Jack vs Locke.

I imagine the final scene of the series will be Jack and Locke on the beach together watching as the next group of people come towards the island.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-12-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I think it is setting up for Jack to be Jacob's successor and stay on the island, thus trapping Fake Locke, and preserving the whole Jack vs. Locke dynamic that started in the first season.

Yeah. Didn't Sayid say to Jack "It's going to be you, Jack" right before he ran off with the bomb and blow up?

Sawyer is going to feel very, very guilty when he wakes up. By ignoring Jack and pulling the wires from the bomb he essentially killed Sayid, Sun, Jin and Lepidus. Poor Lepidus. I really liked him. A crappy way to die. (Assuming he's dead).

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 10:29 AM

Plus, Jack has always wanted to be a savior, and now he can save the world from the MIB.

JetsIn06 · 05-12-2010, 10:42 AM

I really liked the episode. I'm SO SO glad that Adam and Eve did not end up being Jack and Kate or some other lame pair.

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

When the smoke monster left the hole, the light disappeared also.. So I assumed the Light joined with MiB's soul (or whatever his consciousness is) to form the smoke monster. I'm assuming going down into that hole doesn't matter any more since the light is now part of the smoke monster. (Also why the Smoke monster can't leave the island or the world will end, because if the light left the island it would be bad)

I'll have to watch it again but I took the scene as when the smoke monster came out of the hole his smoke was blocking the light and didn't extinguish it.

JetsIn06 · 05-12-2010, 10:46 AM

Also, I don't think we're going to find out MIB's name, and I'm glad that we won't.

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 10:47 AM

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Also, I don't think we're going to find out MIB's name, and I'm glad that we won't.

I don't think he actually has a name to be honest.

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 10:55 AM

How awkward must it be growing up with your brother and never having a name for him? "Hey... you.... could you pass me the salt?"

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 11:01 AM

From the scenes last night I think Jacob just called him brother...

JetsIn06 · 05-12-2010, 11:03 AM

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I don't think he actually has a name to be honest.

Agreed.

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 11:03 AM

"I didn't break the vase playing ball in the house. Brother did!"

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 11:04 AM

hey, I think it's dumb that he doesn't have a name too but I think that's the narrative that was told

Noop · 05-12-2010, 11:06 AM

This episode should have been the first one of last season not the 15th of the current one.

What exactly gives Jacob the power to summon people? Why is Esau special versus Jacob who is not considered Jacob?

Is Richard the next Jacob since he drank the wine and is immortal?

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 11:06 AM

"Well, son, I was only expecting one baby, and thus had only one name ready. By the time I came up with a second one, the forms had already been turned in. Sorry!"

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 11:10 AM

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"Well, son, I was only expecting one baby, and thus had only one name ready. By the time I came up with a second one, the crazy bitch who pretended to be your mother had bashed my brains in with a rock!"

fixed

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 11:14 AM

Much obliged.

OldGiants · 05-12-2010, 12:25 PM

Watched this again at lunch time. A few things:

1) As Jacob hears rumbling from the Hobbit Hole of Happiness, there is still a golden glow at the edges of the darkness. In ensuing shots the camera angle prevents any viewing of the hole. Once the smoke emerges, no more scenes of the hole.

2) Jacob asks his mother if he is good. She says 'yes' but he is unsure. Later MIB admits men are evil but he stays with them as a means to an end. The implication is MIB himself is not evil.

3) Mommy Dearest says she has to let go of MIB because he chooses to try to leave. She then proceeds to tell Jacob he doesn't have a choice, he has to replace her. I interpret this as more evidence for 'free will versus destiny' as opposed to good and evil.

4) MIB sees the dead mother (other dead people in previous episodes?). Jacob cannot see his real mother. Why? What does it mean that Hurley can see the dead. Richard cannot and he was touched by Jacob. The candidates on the island see dead, but those dead are likely MIB in the form of the dead. Hurley sees the dead back in LA.

I can also make a case for the 'light' being faith, and science extinguishing faith. So it is all not clear to me, not at all.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 05-12-2010, 12:33 PM

Was thinking about this last night. The following people were born on the island:

Jacob
MiB
Alex
Aaron

Any others that we are sure of?

Edit: Just remembered Ethan, and most likely Miles though we didn't see it.

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OldGiants

Watched this again at lunch time. A few things:

1) As Jacob hears rumbling from the Hobbit Hole of Happiness, there is still a golden glow at the edges of the darkness. In ensuing shots the camera angle prevents any viewing of the hole. Once the smoke emerges, no more scenes of the hole.

2) Jacob asks his mother if he is good. She says 'yes' but he is unsure. Later MIB admits men are evil but he stays with them as a means to an end. The implication is MIB himself is not evil.

3) Mommy Dearest says she has to let go of MIB because he chooses to try to leave. She then proceeds to tell Jacob he doesn't have a choice, he has to replace her. I interpret this as more evidence for 'free will versus destiny' as opposed to good and evil.

4) MIB sees the dead mother (other dead people in previous episodes?). Jacob cannot see his real mother. Why? What does it mean that Hurley can see the dead. Richard cannot and he was touched by Jacob. The candidates on the island see dead, but those dead are likely MIB in the form of the dead. Hurley sees the dead back in LA.

I can also make a case for the 'light' being faith, and science extinguishing faith. So it is all not clear to me, not at all.

#1 is how I remembered it too, just haven't had an opportunity to rewatch it so glad to see I remembered correctly

Alan T · 05-12-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

#1 is how I remembered it too, just haven't had an opportunity to rewatch it so glad to see I remembered correctly

That probably is the reason why we have different interpretations of what happened then. I haven't re-watched it either, I just saw it differently. If the glow is still there, then I really don't understand why the world will end if smokey leaves the island. The mother clearly said that the glow couldn't be taken away or the world would end.

Maybe I made improper assumptions, but I definitely had remembered it being dark afterwards. I might have made a mistake then if that is not the case.

OldGiants · 05-12-2010, 12:56 PM

I"ve been thinking that there is more than one pool of golden glow--much like oil fields. MIB polluted one, but another one comes up in the Temple. Sayid has MIBness in him when he goes into the Temple pool and then it turns gunky from him. So there is another golden pool somewhere that keeps stuff all sparkly in the real world.

But I still need to know how Ben and Jacob get on and off the Island.

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

That probably is the reason why we have different interpretations of what happened then. I haven't re-watched it either, I just saw it differently. If the glow is still there, then I really don't understand why the world will end if smokey leaves the island. The mother clearly said that the glow couldn't be taken away or the world would end.

Maybe I made improper assumptions, but I definitely had remembered it being dark afterwards. I might have made a mistake then if that is not the case.

I think part of the light became infused with MIB. The mother said "if man sees the light he'll want more and try to take it off the island. If a piece leaves then it will go out here, which will make it go out everywhere." or something along those lines.

I think your general hypothsis is correct tho, if MIB leaves the island the light goes out on the island which means it goes out everywhere.

So while it may not be MIB's intention to extinguish the light, he still wants to go "home" (ever since his dead mother told him what really happened and that he wasn't from there) which will in turn extinguish the light if he is successful.

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 01:00 PM

now we've also answered the quesstion of "who is the blond boy MIB sees" but nobody has brought it up. It's def Jacob as a child so when he said "you can't kill him" to MIB who was he talking about? Locke, Jack, somebody else? I think it's clear he didn't mean himself

PadresFan104 · 05-12-2010, 04:06 PM

Lots of good ideas here. I wasn't happy with the episode at first, but I guess it is also a "means to an end" even if we aren't thrilled with it.

The episode answered a big question for me; is MIB evil? (either the personification of evil, or just an evil person). The answer is clearly no, he is not evil. Nor is Jacob pure goodness either.

I hate how this episode just presented more questions that can't be answered - although I liked how they addressed that issue in the beginning of the episode when the real mother was asking questions.

I'm still not convinced that Smokey is "brother", although it's probably the case. I think it's possible that brother was dead as he floated into the cave, and his presence in the light-hole simply unleashed Smokey, who takes the form of brother or Locke, etc. To me, it would explain the more evil actions that MIB is taking to get off the island.

There was one part of the show I absolutely hated. When mom came into the hole, brother explained that the wheel would mix water with the "light" and it would allow him to leave the island. What???

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 04:31 PM

Yeah, that scene had me going WTF?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 05-12-2010, 04:32 PM

I agree, too much of a pat gloss-over of what should have been something to explain.

It's a shame because I though Welliver killed that scene too.

Kodos · 05-12-2010, 04:36 PM

Some of the plot devices they use on this show are pretty ridiculous. The whole turn this wheel to move the island thing comes to mind. Even if there were a logical reason to explain why a wheel would do that after the fact, who would ever think to install a wheel in that spot in the first place? Too much "this will do that because it is convenient to our story" going on.

Draft Dodger · 05-12-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I agree, too much of a pat gloss-over of what should have been something to explain.

It's a shame because I though Welliver killed that scene too.

yep, really like the work he's done on Lost

DanGarion · 05-12-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PadresFan104

There was one part of the show I absolutely hated. When mom came into the hole, brother explained that the wheel would mix water with the "light" and it would allow him to leave the island. What???

I was actually thinking that this is the same place that Ben used to travel off the island... The wheel looked sort of like the one used previously.

spleen1015 · 05-12-2010, 04:54 PM

Without a doubt it is the same wheel, IMO.

Chubby · 05-12-2010, 05:08 PM

of course it's the same wheel silly

I'm assuming that later on whenmore people come to the island MIB gets them to unearth the well and install the wheel.

TargetPractice6 · 05-12-2010, 06:39 PM

Just to add to the discussion as to whether the light was gone after Jacob threw Adam down the hole: If I recall correctly when Ben turned the wheel, there was a bunch of yellow light being emitted from behind the wall. So that would seem to indicate that at least not all of the light is gone.

Also in season 1, Locke said "I've looked into the heart of this island and what I saw was beautiful" after staring down the smoke monster. I like that tie in since the light is actually the "heart of the island."

flounder · 05-12-2010, 07:01 PM

Another thing to keep in mind is that Jacob's mother was pretty evasive and short on details. It's very possible that the whole story that the light can't leave the island could be more misdirection. The writers haven't been up front with us the whole series. Why start now?

Pyser · 05-12-2010, 07:12 PM

meeting jacob and mib's mother was kind of like meeting qui gon jin in ep 1.

i liked some answers, but introducing a NEW character that had all the answers opens it up too much. fine, jacob and mib were born there, but now there's a previous generation who held all the answers. i guess it just never ends.

tyketime · 05-13-2010, 09:47 AM

Here is a cool interview that the Producers (Cuse & Lindelof) have in discussing this week's episode along with some general commentary regarding the series & finale. While I don't think there is anything spoilerish (I'm really trying to avoid any specific discussion regarding the finale), please use your own discretion.

Link: click here.

Swaggs · 05-13-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tyketime

Here is a cool interview that the Producers (Cuse & Lindelof) have in discussing this week's episode along with some general commentary regarding the series & finale. While I don't think there is anything spoilerish (I'm really trying to avoid any specific discussion regarding the finale), please use your own discretion.

Link: click here.

Hmmm... Reading that made me like Cuse and Lindelof less than I did before. They kind of come off as ungrateful to me.

tyketime · 05-13-2010, 10:25 AM

Meaning they did it "their way" with no regrets?

Easy Mac · 05-13-2010, 11:08 AM

Terry O'Quinn is in Greenville for a golf pro-am this weekend. I'm thinking about going so I can randomly yell out smoke monster questions.

tyketime · 05-13-2010, 11:30 AM

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Terry O'Quinn is in Greenville for a golf pro-am this weekend. I'm thinking about going so I can randomly yell out smoke monster questions.

Now that would be very funny. But be careful... the po-po doesn't take too kindly to golf hecklers these days:

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A drunken golf fan got the shock of his life Friday when cops Tasered him after he refused to stop heckling Tiger Woods on the 11th hole of The Players Championship.

Swaggs · 05-13-2010, 11:54 AM

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Meaning they did it "their way" with no regrets?

The part about getting called out on Jack saying that the clothes looked like they were 50-years old and the part about the shots aimed at the outrigger, more so. Lost is such a complicated show to follow and there are obviously a ton of super-intense fans (that follow every move), so it seems kind of asshole-ish to wave some of the stuff away as being too fanboyish, while patting yourself on the back (in the same interview) for tying things together from the first season.

A little humility can go a long way. They don't seem to have a whole lot right now (or maybe they are just scared and are not letting on). Either way, they seem to have more of a "we like it" versus "we did out best and hope the fans like it" attitude would probably give them a little more leeway in case the finale is a bit of a let down.

Easy Mac · 05-13-2010, 12:00 PM

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Now that would be very funny. But be careful... the po-po doesn't take too kindly to golf hecklers these days:

Luke Wilson is listed as celebrity on the pro-am's website, but he doesn't have a tee time. He must have realized he'd have to walk all 18... or they realized he's not a celebrity. I was thinking of following him around holding up a bag of Jack in the Box tacos and burgers.

They spared no expense for this thing. We've got the Smoke Monster, Luke Wilson, Kate Hudson's brother, Puddy, The less famous Sharpe brother, two former The OC tertiary characters (although one used to be Hercules), and Kurt Russell.

spleen1015 · 05-13-2010, 01:04 PM

I understand the idea of writing the show they way they want to. They should because it is their show.

The problem is, to me, you can't introduce mysteries that you know folks are going to latch onto and then not give answers.

My issue with the outrigger story is I want to know why they were being shot at. Knowing who was shooting at them is important, but I want to know why they were in the first place. Why even give us the question when you're not going to give the answer, especially in a situation like this when the question serves 0 purpose without the answer? You can remove the shooting part from the scene and the story doesn't change. So, what is the point? You obviously thought it was important at some point.

I don't mind not getting MiB's name. That doesn't help resolve anything to me.

I am also cool with the idea that you have to solve the mysteries as they pertain to the characters. If something doesn't fit into the end of the story, then don't tell us in an episode. Why not have an epilogue episode where you give the answers to these unanswered questions for the fans who have watched your show for 6 years and made those 6 years possible.

OldGiants · 05-13-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder

Another thing to keep in mind is that Jacob's mother was pretty evasive and short on details. It's very possible that the whole story that the light can't leave the island could be more misdirection. The writers haven't been up front with us the whole series. Why start now?

Good thought. Not only that, but is it necessarily a bad thing for humanity if the light were to go out. Now that we know for sure this is not 'good vs. evil' what would go wrong if the light went out? If this is 'free will versus faith' would the world really end if one those were eliminated? Different, surely, but not the end of Time.

BreizhManu · 05-13-2010, 01:24 PM

What I liked :

- We now know it's more about faith vs rationalism than bad vs evil, and that's good.
- Jacob isn't good, he is just faithful, he has faith in almost anything actually...

Uh well that's about it

Didn't like the episode much but it makes the show look better in my eyes for the finale, at least there won't be a lame bad vs evil answer in the end.

and btw we now know MiB's name according to abc (spoiler) :

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3Xzc...2-10.50.52.png

spleen1015 · 05-13-2010, 01:25 PM

If ABC doesn't want us to know his name, then they wouldn't tell Hulu. I just think that is an assumption by some recap writer at Hulu.

Samdari · 05-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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I think it will be Jack vs Locke.

Its been Jack vs Locke since the beginning. It has to be Jack vs Locke.

05-12-2010, 10:12 AM	#453
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	Since I've got some time: #10 I don't care. They were in random time travel mode so who shot at them is simply explained by frightened people shooting at foreigners. Not a big deal at all. #9 There are always two groups of others that wash up on shore. The first is led by Jacob through Richard and ends up in the temple where Jacob can keep Smoky out. The second group is led by Smoky for as long as they suit his purpose. #8 This is a big one. How does Jacob know who to pick? He does go around interviewing people, certainly more than all we've seen. The names in the cave show that. #7 We pretty much know that now. How they apply to Ben and Widmore is yet to be answered. #6 Sayid's sickness. No thoughts on this one. Not a biggy for me, but I understand if y'all disagree. #5 Sideways stories are going to be explained by current Physics multi-verse theories. Faraday and his mom will be back for that, I think. #4 I like my above theory about not spreading THE RULES to more people for this one. #3 We know this now. #2 As I posted earlier, I need to know this one and will be very disappointed if it is not explained. #1 Answered. __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW

05-12-2010, 11:06 AM	#467
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	This episode should have been the first one of last season not the 15th of the current one. What exactly gives Jacob the power to summon people? Why is Esau special versus Jacob who is not considered Jacob? Is Richard the next Jacob since he drank the wine and is immortal? __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-12-2010, 12:25 PM	#471
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	Watched this again at lunch time. A few things: 1) As Jacob hears rumbling from the Hobbit Hole of Happiness, there is still a golden glow at the edges of the darkness. In ensuing shots the camera angle prevents any viewing of the hole. Once the smoke emerges, no more scenes of the hole. 2) Jacob asks his mother if he is good. She says 'yes' but he is unsure. Later MIB admits men are evil but he stays with them as a means to an end. The implication is MIB himself is not evil. 3) Mommy Dearest says she has to let go of MIB because he chooses to try to leave. She then proceeds to tell Jacob he doesn't have a choice, he has to replace her. I interpret this as more evidence for 'free will versus destiny' as opposed to good and evil. 4) MIB sees the dead mother (other dead people in previous episodes?). Jacob cannot see his real mother. Why? What does it mean that Hurley can see the dead. Richard cannot and he was touched by Jacob. The candidates on the island see dead, but those dead are likely MIB in the form of the dead. Hurley sees the dead back in LA. I can also make a case for the 'light' being faith, and science extinguishing faith. So it is all not clear to me, not at all. __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW

05-12-2010, 12:33 PM	#472
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Was thinking about this last night. The following people were born on the island: Jacob MiB Alex Aaron Any others that we are sure of? Edit: Just remembered Ethan, and most likely Miles though we didn't see it. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs2 : 05-12-2010 at 12:36 PM.

05-12-2010, 12:56 PM	#475
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	I"ve been thinking that there is more than one pool of golden glow--much like oil fields. MIB polluted one, but another one comes up in the Temple. Sayid has MIBness in him when he goes into the Temple pool and then it turns gunky from him. So there is another golden pool somewhere that keeps stuff all sparkly in the real world. But I still need to know how Ben and Jacob get on and off the Island. __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW Last edited by OldGiants : 05-12-2010 at 12:57 PM. Reason: I felt like it.

05-12-2010, 10:14 AM	#454
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think it is setting up for Jack to be Jacob's successor and stay on the island, thus trapping Fake Locke, and preserving the whole Jack vs. Locke dynamic that started in the first season.

05-12-2010, 10:29 AM	#457
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Plus, Jack has always wanted to be a savior, and now he can save the world from the MIB.

05-12-2010, 10:42 AM	#458
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	I really liked the episode. I'm SO SO glad that Adam and Eve did not end up being Jack and Kate or some other lame pair.

05-12-2010, 10:46 AM	#460
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	Also, I don't think we're going to find out MIB's name, and I'm glad that we won't.

05-12-2010, 10:55 AM	#462
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	How awkward must it be growing up with your brother and never having a name for him? "Hey... you.... could you pass me the salt?"

05-12-2010, 11:01 AM	#463
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	From the scenes last night I think Jacob just called him brother...

05-12-2010, 11:03 AM	#465
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	"I didn't break the vase playing ball in the house. Brother did!"

05-12-2010, 11:04 AM	#466
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	hey, I think it's dumb that he doesn't have a name too but I think that's the narrative that was told

05-12-2010, 11:06 AM	#468
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	"Well, son, I was only expecting one baby, and thus had only one name ready. By the time I came up with a second one, the forms had already been turned in. Sorry!"

05-12-2010, 11:14 AM	#470
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Much obliged.

05-12-2010, 01:00 PM	#477
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	now we've also answered the quesstion of "who is the blond boy MIB sees" but nobody has brought it up. It's def Jacob as a child so when he said "you can't kill him" to MIB who was he talking about? Locke, Jack, somebody else? I think it's clear he didn't mean himself

05-12-2010, 04:06 PM	#478
PadresFan104 High School Varsity Join Date: May 2006	Lots of good ideas here. I wasn't happy with the episode at first, but I guess it is also a "means to an end" even if we aren't thrilled with it. The episode answered a big question for me; is MIB evil? (either the personification of evil, or just an evil person). The answer is clearly no, he is not evil. Nor is Jacob pure goodness either. I hate how this episode just presented more questions that can't be answered - although I liked how they addressed that issue in the beginning of the episode when the real mother was asking questions. I'm still not convinced that Smokey is "brother", although it's probably the case. I think it's possible that brother was dead as he floated into the cave, and his presence in the light-hole simply unleashed Smokey, who takes the form of brother or Locke, etc. To me, it would explain the more evil actions that MIB is taking to get off the island. There was one part of the show I absolutely hated. When mom came into the hole, brother explained that the wheel would mix water with the "light" and it would allow him to leave the island. What??? __________________ Hands-On Games YouTube Channel Hands-On Games Facebook Page

05-12-2010, 04:31 PM	#479
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Yeah, that scene had me going WTF?

05-12-2010, 04:32 PM	#480
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I agree, too much of a pat gloss-over of what should have been something to explain. It's a shame because I though Welliver killed that scene too. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

05-12-2010, 04:36 PM	#481
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Some of the plot devices they use on this show are pretty ridiculous. The whole turn this wheel to move the island thing comes to mind. Even if there were a logical reason to explain why a wheel would do that after the fact, who would ever think to install a wheel in that spot in the first place? Too much "this will do that because it is convenient to our story" going on.

05-12-2010, 04:54 PM	#484
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Without a doubt it is the same wheel, IMO. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

05-12-2010, 05:08 PM	#485
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	of course it's the same wheel silly I'm assuming that later on whenmore people come to the island MIB gets them to unearth the well and install the wheel.

05-12-2010, 06:39 PM	#486
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Just to add to the discussion as to whether the light was gone after Jacob threw Adam down the hole: If I recall correctly when Ben turned the wheel, there was a bunch of yellow light being emitted from behind the wall. So that would seem to indicate that at least not all of the light is gone. Also in season 1, Locke said "I've looked into the heart of this island and what I saw was beautiful" after staring down the smoke monster. I like that tie in since the light is actually the "heart of the island." Last edited by TargetPractice6 : 05-12-2010 at 06:40 PM.

05-12-2010, 07:01 PM	#487
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	Another thing to keep in mind is that Jacob's mother was pretty evasive and short on details. It's very possible that the whole story that the light can't leave the island could be more misdirection. The writers haven't been up front with us the whole series. Why start now?

05-12-2010, 07:12 PM	#488
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	meeting jacob and mib's mother was kind of like meeting qui gon jin in ep 1. i liked some answers, but introducing a NEW character that had all the answers opens it up too much. fine, jacob and mib were born there, but now there's a previous generation who held all the answers. i guess it just never ends.

05-13-2010, 09:47 AM	#489
tyketime College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	Here is a cool interview that the Producers (Cuse & Lindelof) have in discussing this week's episode along with some general commentary regarding the series & finale. While I don't think there is anything spoilerish (I'm really trying to avoid any specific discussion regarding the finale), please use your own discretion. Link: click here.

05-13-2010, 10:25 AM	#491
tyketime College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	Meaning they did it "their way" with no regrets?

05-13-2010, 11:08 AM	#492
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Terry O'Quinn is in Greenville for a golf pro-am this weekend. I'm thinking about going so I can randomly yell out smoke monster questions.

05-13-2010, 01:04 PM	#496
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I understand the idea of writing the show they way they want to. They should because it is their show. The problem is, to me, you can't introduce mysteries that you know folks are going to latch onto and then not give answers. My issue with the outrigger story is I want to know why they were being shot at. Knowing who was shooting at them is important, but I want to know why they were in the first place. Why even give us the question when you're not going to give the answer, especially in a situation like this when the question serves 0 purpose without the answer? You can remove the shooting part from the scene and the story doesn't change. So, what is the point? You obviously thought it was important at some point. I don't mind not getting MiB's name. That doesn't help resolve anything to me. I am also cool with the idea that you have to solve the mysteries as they pertain to the characters. If something doesn't fit into the end of the story, then don't tell us in an episode. Why not have an epilogue episode where you give the answers to these unanswered questions for the fans who have watched your show for 6 years and made those 6 years possible. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option? Last edited by spleen1015 : 05-13-2010 at 01:05 PM.

05-13-2010, 01:24 PM	#498
BreizhManu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Paris, France	What I liked : - We now know it's more about faith vs rationalism than bad vs evil, and that's good. - Jacob isn't good, he is just faithful, he has faith in almost anything actually... Uh well that's about it Didn't like the episode much but it makes the show look better in my eyes for the finale, at least there won't be a lame bad vs evil answer in the end. and btw we now know MiB's name according to abc (spoiler) : http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3Xzc...2-10.50.52.png

05-13-2010, 01:25 PM	#499
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	If ABC doesn't want us to know his name, then they wouldn't tell Hulu. I just think that is an assumption by some recap writer at Hulu. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

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