2014 Winter Olympics Thread- Sochi (spoiler tags for events that haven't aired) - Page 10

Travis · 02-21-2014, 01:51 PM

Canada needs another one here soon. Can't imagine winning this one 1-0 no matter how well Price is playing.

cartman · 02-21-2014, 02:09 PM

Congrats, Canada. That was one hell of a hockey game!

Travis · 02-21-2014, 02:09 PM

Happy to be very wrong about that, but wow, hell of a game. I thought this would be more like a 4-3 or 5-4 type game.

Solecismic · 02-21-2014, 02:15 PM

That was quality hockey. Congrats to the Canadians. Can't wait until Sunday. This is so much better than the NHL.

Suburban Rhythm · 02-21-2014, 02:15 PM

As a Pens fan, feeling horrible for Kunitz. So many chances. Maybe he'll be the hero Sunday.

saldana · 02-21-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

That was quality hockey. Congrats to the Canadians. Can't wait until Sunday. This is so much better than the NHL.

+1

sterlingice · 02-21-2014, 02:17 PM

Man, Price was good as was the Canadian defense. Just have to give a tip of the cap as the better team won today. Sucks to lose but a fun game to watch

SI

Fidatelo · 02-21-2014, 02:18 PM

That was awesome. Sunday morning Canada goes for the double-double (mens/womens gold in both hockey and curling).

Also, apparently our premier has stated that they will waive the alcohol laws Sunday morning so that bars and restaurants can serve booze starting at 5am. I love my country.

Matthean · 02-21-2014, 03:58 PM

Well crap.

Solecismic · 02-22-2014, 10:00 AM

South Korea has indicated it will protest the women's figure skating judging. I think they have an excellent case, though they won't win the protest. Ashley Wagner, on the other hand, didn't deserve a medal and needs to stop complaining. How she didn't learn from her "what's that smell" face from the team event judging going viral escapes me.

Unfortunately, even with the new system that adds layer upon layer of obscurity and complexity to figure skating judging, judges are still quite connected to the skating organizations of their respective countries and are often partisan. This is a setup they don't have in other sports.

The bottom line: even though figure skating is wonderful to watch, all judged sports have a common problem with credibility. Extraordinary measures are required to preserve at least a perception of fairness. Figure skating isn't even close to any standard.

whomario · 02-22-2014, 11:04 AM

maybe someone can enlighten me, but i don´t see how the change in system made any sort of sense. Wasn´t the main complaints a) national/personal bias and b) lack of transparency as to how the grades get constructed ?

How then does it make sense to make the system now not only more complicated but also make it anonymous to the general public that only gets to see a number and nothing as to how it is generated ?

Buccaneer · 02-22-2014, 11:39 AM

Id it true that one of the judges is the spouse of the head of Russian figure skating?

Thomkal · 02-22-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Id it true that one of the judges is the spouse of the head of Russian figure skating?

Yep tis true-and one reason why the judges scores should be publicized if you are going to allow people like that to be a judge.

This scoring system is light-years better than the old. In the old you could basically give a 6.0 (the highest) with no restrictions. In the new there's a base number for every element in the program. The judge then gives a "grade of execution" for each element, I think up to +3 or 4. (Memory is vague on this, so may not be completely accurate). Right now the judges results are not publicized-though they are reviewed by the IOC(international skating union officials if not at Olympics) to make sure judges are not being biased/nationalistic in their judging. In the future they need to be made public right after the competition-that will keep judges more honest.

Another problem with the new rules is that if a jump is completed, but there's a fall, they get credit for the jump-which is what Ashley Wagner was complaining about. They shouldn't be getting points for a fall no matter if a jump/spin/footwork

The Russian who won by the way-had one more triple jump than the South Korean, which was worth about the 5 points she won by.

But the reality is that figure skating will always have a subjective part of it. Individual judges have different opinions on what a "normal" successful element should look like or an exceptional one or a poor one.

JPhillips · 02-22-2014, 03:03 PM

I expected the U.S. men wouldn't show up today, but it sucks to come away with nothing after the great group round.

JPhillips · 02-22-2014, 04:30 PM

The Lokomotiv story on NBC was one of the best long-form pieces I've ever seen.

DaddyTorgo · 02-22-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I expected the U.S. men wouldn't show up today, but it sucks to come away with nothing after the great group round.

Nice for Rask to get a medal though, and also nice for Selanne to get one at the age of 43!

General Mike · 02-22-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

The Lokomotiv story on NBC was one of the best long-form pieces I've ever seen.

Agreed. Very good.

Matthean · 02-23-2014, 01:26 PM

Steve Yzerman stepping down as Team Canada's GM - Olympic Ice Hockey - SI.com

Johnny93g · 02-23-2014, 02:28 PM

Just a dominant effort by team Canada all tournament. Defense wins, even against the best in the world, and the team played amazingly defensively. I'm Very proud Canadian today!

Kevin · 02-24-2014, 04:47 PM

Wow:

Both golds in curling

Both golds in Hockey

Perfect Olympics

NobodyHere · 02-25-2014, 08:51 AM

So anyone remember all that talk about terrorism striking Sochi during the games?

lungs · 02-25-2014, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So anyone remember all that talk about terrorism striking Sochi during the games?

When was the last terrorist attack, Atlanta '96? No wonder Americans were cheering so hard for a terrorist attack.

Ryan S · 02-25-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So anyone remember all that talk about terrorism striking Sochi during the games?

I always thought terrorism in Sochi was unlikely due to the massive security force presence during the games. I was not so confident about the safety of the rest of Russia.

JPhillips · 02-25-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan S

I always thought terrorism in Sochi was unlikely due to the massive security force presence during the games. I was not so confident about the safety of the rest of Russia.

This. I didn't expect an attack at Sochi, but I did expect one somewhere else. The threats form known terrorists, the rash of bombings leading up to the games and the history of the Russian security forces made me nervous.

kingfc22 · 01-08-2015, 06:17 PM

Time for some curling!

‘Curling Night In America’ set for NBCSN, Universal Sports | OlympicTalk

nilodor · 01-08-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Time for some curling!

‘Curling Night In America’ set for NBCSN, Universal Sports | OlympicTalk

No Vic Rauter, no dice.
Tribute to Vic Rauter - YouTube

Butter · 01-12-2015, 07:57 AM

They have been showing some Canadian curling broadcasts on ESPN3 lately which I have been watching. Couple weeks ago was just a Canadian curling tournament, this past weekend was a Ryder Cup-style Europe v. Canada competition where the Canadians pretty much destroyed Europe.

Between that and International Test Cricket and European Champions Cup Rugby, ESPN3 has had a lot of good off-the-radar sports going on of late.

Lathum · 02-28-2015, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Time for some curling!

‘Curling Night In America’ set for NBCSN, Universal Sports | OlympicTalk

Anyone been watching? I have really enjoyed it so far, and hello Jamie Sinclair.

britrock88 · 03-02-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Anyone been watching? I have really enjoyed it so far, and hello Jamie Sinclair.

I ought to be. I'll try to remember on Friday.

Butter · 03-02-2015, 12:40 PM

Yes, but if you compare the curling that is going on in this vs. the all-Canadian competitions that are going on on ESPN3, Canada's 8th best curling team is better than the crap we are putting up in this NBCSN sham competition.

albionmoonlight · 03-02-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

and hello Jamie Sinclair.

She's no Jessica Schultz.

britrock88 · 03-02-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yes, but if you compare the curling that is going on in this vs. the all-Canadian competitions that are going on on ESPN3, Canada's 8th best curling team is better than the crap we are putting up in this NBCSN sham competition.

Yeah, but to see those usually requires some sketchy cable set-up like the one down at the local curling club.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-02-2015, 05:21 PM

I've enjoyed watching it. Makes me want to find a place to play it.

britrock88 · 03-02-2015, 10:44 PM

Actually, the Brier is underway--the Canadian competition featuring provincial teams--and there's some ESPN3 coverage, for those who are interested.

britrock88 · 03-02-2015, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I've enjoyed watching it. Makes me want to find a place to play it.

Looks like there are two clubs near you...

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Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-03-2015, 09:28 AM

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Pretty cool. May have to go take a lesson just to see what it's like.

02-21-2014, 01:51 PM	#451
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Canada needs another one here soon. Can't imagine winning this one 1-0 no matter how well Price is playing. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

02-21-2014, 02:09 PM	#452
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Congrats, Canada. That was one hell of a hockey game! __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-21-2014, 02:09 PM	#453
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Happy to be very wrong about that, but wow, hell of a game. I thought this would be more like a 4-3 or 5-4 type game. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

02-21-2014, 02:15 PM	#455
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	As a Pens fan, feeling horrible for Kunitz. So many chances. Maybe he'll be the hero Sunday. __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

02-21-2014, 02:17 PM	#457
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Man, Price was good as was the Canadian defense. Just have to give a tip of the cap as the better team won today. Sucks to lose but a fun game to watch SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 02-21-2014 at 02:18 PM.

02-21-2014, 02:15 PM	#454
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	That was quality hockey. Congrats to the Canadians. Can't wait until Sunday. This is so much better than the NHL.

02-21-2014, 02:18 PM	#458
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	That was awesome. Sunday morning Canada goes for the double-double (mens/womens gold in both hockey and curling). Also, apparently our premier has stated that they will waive the alcohol laws Sunday morning so that bars and restaurants can serve booze starting at 5am. I love my country. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

02-21-2014, 03:58 PM	#459
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Well crap. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

02-22-2014, 10:00 AM	#460
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	South Korea has indicated it will protest the women's figure skating judging. I think they have an excellent case, though they won't win the protest. Ashley Wagner, on the other hand, didn't deserve a medal and needs to stop complaining. How she didn't learn from her "what's that smell" face from the team event judging going viral escapes me. Unfortunately, even with the new system that adds layer upon layer of obscurity and complexity to figure skating judging, judges are still quite connected to the skating organizations of their respective countries and are often partisan. This is a setup they don't have in other sports. The bottom line: even though figure skating is wonderful to watch, all judged sports have a common problem with credibility. Extraordinary measures are required to preserve at least a perception of fairness. Figure skating isn't even close to any standard.

02-22-2014, 11:04 AM	#461
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	maybe someone can enlighten me, but i don´t see how the change in system made any sort of sense. Wasn´t the main complaints a) national/personal bias and b) lack of transparency as to how the grades get constructed ? How then does it make sense to make the system now not only more complicated but also make it anonymous to the general public that only gets to see a number and nothing as to how it is generated ? __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

02-22-2014, 11:39 AM	#462
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Id it true that one of the judges is the spouse of the head of Russian figure skating?

02-22-2014, 03:03 PM	#464
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I expected the U.S. men wouldn't show up today, but it sucks to come away with nothing after the great group round. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-22-2014, 04:30 PM	#465
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The Lokomotiv story on NBC was one of the best long-form pieces I've ever seen. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-23-2014, 01:26 PM	#468
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02-23-2014, 02:28 PM	#469
Johnny93g College Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto	Just a dominant effort by team Canada all tournament. Defense wins, even against the best in the world, and the team played amazingly defensively. I'm Very proud Canadian today! __________________ FOOL- Toronto Marlboros FOOL Classic Champions 2073, 2078, 2079, 2114, 2116, 2117, 2129, 2152, 2155, 2169, 2192 46 35 FOOL H- New York Giants World Champions 1914, 1928 BBCF: Notre Dame TML

02-24-2014, 04:47 PM	#470
Kevin High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Nova Scotia	4 for 4 Wow: Both golds in curling Both golds in Hockey Perfect Olympics __________________ It seems more like today than it did all day yesterday.

02-25-2014, 08:51 AM	#471
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	So anyone remember all that talk about terrorism striking Sochi during the games?

01-08-2015, 06:17 PM	#475
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01-12-2015, 07:57 AM	#477
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	They have been showing some Canadian curling broadcasts on ESPN3 lately which I have been watching. Couple weeks ago was just a Canadian curling tournament, this past weekend was a Ryder Cup-style Europe v. Canada competition where the Canadians pretty much destroyed Europe. Between that and International Test Cricket and European Champions Cup Rugby, ESPN3 has had a lot of good off-the-radar sports going on of late. __________________ My listening habits

03-02-2015, 12:40 PM	#480
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Yes, but if you compare the curling that is going on in this vs. the all-Canadian competitions that are going on on ESPN3, Canada's 8th best curling team is better than the crap we are putting up in this NBCSN sham competition. __________________ My listening habits

03-02-2015, 05:21 PM	#483
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	I've enjoyed watching it. Makes me want to find a place to play it.

03-02-2015, 10:44 PM	#484
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Actually, the Brier is underway--the Canadian competition featuring provincial teams--and there's some ESPN3 coverage, for those who are interested.

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