Breakout Kings: Werewolf Style (Game over - village wins)

[Zinto]

My fears with voting out Chubby are that he could indeed have a role. It is that same reason that I wasn't too keen on how DV was lynched yesterday. I understand that getting rid of the 'Nilla villagers who don't talk before the game really gets going is a smart thing but I would at least like to hear from him before we get rid of him.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Post 345 Autumn

I wad wondering if you did not do a voting history, I was going to say that it is pretty odd so you must be a wolf!

[Zinto]

I guess I misrepresented the race pulling away with two people in my vote post. For some reason I thought GE and Chubby had four not three votes while bhlloy had two. Seems like I need to work on my reading comprehension this game.

[Narcizo]

Voting Chubby at this stage with what looks like a lot of discussion and arguments seems a bit cheap. I'm all for voting inactives early on but it doesn't seem like this is the optimal game to take that stance, what with the importance of the roles.

[bhlloy]

Zinto - the theory that somebody would ever play more aggressive as a wolf is just bad logic. And seeing that you were around in the portal game and know what role I had there, plus the fact that I've played that way plenty of times in the past makes it even odder to me

[Narcizo]

I want Bhlloy in the race today so I won't be moving my vote.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Zinto - the theory that somebody would ever play more aggressive as a wolf is just bad logic. And seeing that you were around in the portal game and know what role I had there, plus the fact that I've played that way plenty of times in the past makes it even odder to me

It is not that they would play more aggressive in general, I think I misspoke there, it is that they play more aggressive in trying to defend themselves. I did not really follow along with the portal game after I was killed so I am not sure how you played. I will admit I am going off memories and they could be wrong since I sometimes(most of the time) struggle remembering how every player plays as a wolf or a villager..

[Zinto]

I don't think anyone should use the logic that since Zinto said he was being oddly aggressive we should vote bhlloy since honestly I could be completely wrong about that.

[bhlloy]

Again, I don't think that is the case. I think we think it is the case which is why we tend to never win unless we get a seer on a hot streak.

[Zinto]

With that being said, that is what I think is going on and that is why I voted for you.(I should have made these three posts one but I keep posting and thinking of more to add).

[bhlloy]

Some nice backtracking there Zinto. Are you sure I should be the candidate here and not you?

[Zinto]

I am not backtracking I don't remember a time when you have been this aggressive in defending yourself and been a villager. It is more of my lack of trust in my ability to catch wolves then anything.

[Autumn]

If Chubby never shows up today, I would say we shouldn't lynch him (and hope CF replaces him). But if he is here long enough to defend himself, I think he's very much a valid target. And I think it's good to have votes on him to force him to defend himself if he shows up.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Then again maybe "I think we all can agree" is kind of a wolfy thing to say. Why would LSG project that kind of thinking when no one had really mentioned anything before that? Maybe her and the wolves agree on a target.

I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens for a bit.. I will be going on another hike today around 3 pm or so, but I will try and check in around 2 and see what has transpired. It clearly behooves us to make the right move today.

I think you are trying a little too hard with this one. And I have played with Chief Rum before, and although its been a year or so, this is not how I recall him acting when he was a wolf. (And for a stretch there, he was a wolf a lot).

I am going to change my vote from Chubby, even though I would like him to speak up some more today, and put it on you, Julio. Why? Because whenever anybody quotes 6 words and claims its a wolfy thing to say, it screams 'wolf trying to hard!'

unvote Chubby

Vote Julio

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Zinto

GE, you are being very defensive. I doubt a wolf Autumn purposely misleads people into voting for you this early and now that there are people on you I can not see him arguing so much for what he is saying if it could come back and bite his butt so early in the game.

I guess I get that way when I feel like I am being railroaded by a probable wolf. Autumn is a solid player, but I don't think he is good enough to pool the wool over villages eye's at this point.

[LoneStarGirl]

I have not read page 9 or 10, but I also dont like GE putting the third vote on Chubby. He didn't vote until last minute yesterday and today he votes with 8 hours to spare? Plus Julio put the third vote on Chief when Bhlloy had two votes and Chubby one.

[britrock88]

Dropping by with a tally:

bhlloy - Danny (341) Narcizo (353) Zinto (448)
Chief - Pass (404)
Chubby - bhlloy (390) GE (401) Julio (444)
CrimsonFox - God (375)
GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)
Julio - LoneStarGirl (464)

Am I the only one that gets lost in the midst of discussions like today's?

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Narc is the only one to follow Danny on A. Julio, Bhlloy, LoneStarGirl and GoldenEagle did B and C, and frankly that's a list I like a lot today was wolf candidates. LSG has been following the crowd and posting the sort of neutral, uncontroversial posts that I used to do when I was a wolf. GoldenEagle is doing the opposite, casting everyone in a bad light, but leaving himself waffle room. Bhlloy hasn't gathered the sort of votes I expected, and Julio either. I think that's a great quartet to look at closely. Since two of them have voting history already from yesterday I will be voting the other two. I still think it's possible LSG just is a bit rusty and is trying to play it safe, so I'll go with GE.

I have to say Autumn I really like this analysis. It seems spot on. I am a lot of a bit rusty, but I was always a non controversial player for the first two or three days. I was having second thoughts on GE as well... but was going to see how the day progressed before directing more light to him.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I guess I get that way when I feel like I am being railroaded by a probable wolf. Autumn is a solid player, but I don't think he is good enough to pool the wool over villages eye's at this point.

I'm not sure if this has been made explicit, but this is a game of Werewolf. You will receive votes, probably for really bad or incorrect reasons. This will happen many times. I'm not sure why you're so irate because of one vote. "Railroading" is a bit overdramatic, don't you think? Of all my abilities in Werewolf, I can tell you that getting people to follow my vote is most definitely not one of them.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Zinto

GE, you are being very defensive. I doubt a wolf Autumn purposely misleads people into voting for you this early and now that there are people on you I can not see him arguing so much for what he is saying if it could come back and bite his butt so early in the game.

I am still not through with page nine or ten.... but I agree. GE didn't have the time of day to post yesterday, but today he was defensive and aggressive well before he received any votes in his honor. I will more than likely change my vote to him, but I dont want my vote to be considered a bandwagon vote, so I am going to keep it on Julio for now.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not sure if this has been made explicit, but this is a game of Werewolf. You will receive votes, probably for really bad or incorrect reasons. This will happen many times. I'm not sure why you're so irate because of one vote. "Railroading" is a bit overdramatic, don't you think? Of all my abilities in Werewolf, I can tell you that getting people to follow my vote is most definitely not one of them.

Right. And this is Werewolf and I have a right to defend myself. And it was not just one vote. That began a succession of three votes that put me squarely on the hot seat.

And your wording, intentional or not, was suggestive that I had done two things in your list.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I think I would like to keep bhlloy in this race since it is turning into a two pony show quick. He was pretty aggressive yesterday and I am not sure that is his usual villager play.

Vote bhlloy

Why Bhlloy and not Julio? Previous posts from other people have indicated that they were willing to put their votes on him to make this a race. Yet nobody has given any evidence to why bhlloy should have votes. This seems almost like a wasted vote.

[britrock88]

dola

GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)

The mo is with you this time, Autumn.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I guess I misrepresented the race pulling away with two people in my vote post. For some reason I thought GE and Chubby had four not three votes while bhlloy had two. Seems like I need to work on my reading comprehension this game.

Just read this. I guess I understand why you voted bhlloy

[LoneStarGirl]

I just read three straight pages of WW and I my thoughts are getting befuddled in my head. I am going to come back later, but I want to draw attention to the fact that GE, Julio and bhlloy all have their votes on Chubby, somebody who is not here to defend himself.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Right. And this is Werewolf and I have a right to defend myself. And it was not just one vote. That began a succession of three votes that put me squarely on the hot seat.

And your wording, intentional or not, was suggestive that I had done two things in your list.

The whole point of my vote is that I believe wolves are much more likely to piggyback on other people's reasoning rather than presenting a reason to vote a new candidate. So if yo'ure worried about the votes on you, I would be more worried about someone who simply followed me than me, who put my analysis out there.

I don't think anyone's going to vote for you because they think I said you, along with four other people, did B & C in a list, not just C. If they're paying attention they know that B & C are mutually exclusive, and they can see that there are three other people in the same list.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by britrock88

dola

GoldenEagle - Autumn (408) CrimsonFox (409) Jackal (411)

The mo is with you this time, Autumn.

Maybe this will be the time it works!

But CF's vote is as steady as the wind. I predict six more moves before deadline.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I just read three straight pages of WW and I my thoughts are getting befuddled in my head. I am going to come back later, but I want to draw attention to the fact that GE, Julio and bhlloy all have their votes on Chubby, somebody who is not here to defend himself.

The whole point of me voting for Chubby was to prevent a runaway vote on bhlloy, who believe to be the best candidate for today. I know I clearly stated that.

Chubby is quiet, but that is not the reason that I chose to vote for him.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Eh, people coming in claiming vanilla, just tells me, I want to check in but I have nothing to say so I will just tell everyone I am vanilla.

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Why Bhlloy and not Julio? Previous posts from other people have indicated that they were willing to put their votes on him to make this a race. Yet nobody has given any evidence to why bhlloy should have votes. This seems almost like a wasted vote.

I made this point earlier, and Autumn made a couple good points, but the longer it goes with no action on Julio makes me more and more confused. He's a possible convert with movement off him yesterday and since then he's put a fly by vote on and disappeared for the day

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

The whole point of me voting for Chubby was to prevent a runaway vote on bhlloy, who believe to be the best candidate for today. I know I clearly stated that.

Chubby is quiet, but that is not the reason that I chose to vote for him.

Regardless of when you stated it, things have obviously changed since you voted for him. Plus you never said why you believed bhlloy was the best candidate... in fact nobody really did except in reference to some obscure post somebody wrote on page one or two. There is a three way tie right now, are you going to keep your vote where it is?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Maybe this will be the time it works!

But CF's vote is as steady as the wind. I predict six more moves before deadline.

He went from me to bhlloy back to me in the span of ten minutes.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I made this point earlier, and Autumn made a couple good points, but the longer it goes with no action on Julio makes me more and more confused. He's a possible convert with movement off him yesterday and since then he's put a fly by vote on and disappeared for the day

I can understand why you dont vote for Julio since your butt is on the line today, but I dont understand the run on you bhlloy.

[bhlloy]

As for my vote being on Chubby, I really want him to show up and talk. Same reason I had a vote on CF for a long time yesterday

[EagleFan]

As of 482:

bhlloy 3 - Danny (341), Narcizo (353), Zinto (448)
GoldenEagle 3 - Autumn (408), CrimsonFox (409), The Jackal (411)
Chubby 3 - bhlloy (390), GoldenEagle (401), Julio Ridols (444)
Chief 1 - Passacaglia (404)
CrimsonFox 1 - God (375)
Julio Ridols 1 - LoneStarGirl (464)

Let me know if that missed anything.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

The whole point of my vote is that I believe wolves are much more likely to piggyback on other people's reasoning rather than presenting a reason to vote a new candidate. So if yo'ure worried about the votes on you, I would be more worried about someone who simply followed me than me, who put my analysis out there.

I don't think anyone's going to vote for you because they think I said you, along with four other people, did B & C in a list, not just C. If they're paying attention they know that B & C are mutually exclusive, and they can see that there are three other people in the same list.

Your argument is that because I voted for Chubby I am latching on to someone else's idea and therefore I must be a wolf. My argument is that I voted for Chubby to try to keep things close and prevent a runaway vote.

If I were a wolf, it would be so much easier for me to just vote for bhlloy.

[EagleFan]

Though, it would go down in WW lore if CF came back and edited a few more posts to become the first player to solely lynch himself.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

As for my vote being on Chubby, I really want him to show up and talk. Same reason I had a vote on CF for a long time yesterday

I voted for Chubby initially for the same reason. But if he didn't come and talk yesterday because he is busy in rl, then what makes y'all think he's going to come talk today?

[LoneStarGirl]

Ok, nevermind. Chubby is here. Let him talk his way out of those votes.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I'll cast my lot in on one of the inactives, just to try and get them to talk. CR has shown up so tha leaves

Vote Chubby

As misguided as Danny is he feels like villager Danny. Narc I am not so sure. Seems like he is playing the same game as last time, which is a little concerning swing how that one ended up.

Britrock - ill give him a second game pass for now. At least he is around clos to deadline and making votes in timely manners

im not inactive, i just don't have much to contribute on day 1. it's a crapshoot. just got home from work so i'm still catching up

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Regardless of when you stated it, things have obviously changed since you voted for him. Plus you never said why you believed bhlloy was the best candidate... in fact nobody really did except in reference to some obscure post somebody wrote on page one or two. There is a three way tie right now, are you going to keep your vote where it is?

If the deadline were right now, I would change my vote to bhlloy for self-perseverance.

The argument for bhlloy is the only confirmed villager (JAG) made a point about Julio being the possible convert and that he was signaling for the wolves to come get him so to speak.

JAG then pointed out that bholly moved his vote off Julio shortly after, as he perhaps picked up on the signal as well.

So essentially we have the only confirmed villager (besides DV, but he didn't give us anything) suggesting that we should take a hard look at bholly.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Zinto

My fears with voting out Chubby are that he could indeed have a role. It is that same reason that I wasn't too keen on how DV was lynched yesterday. I understand that getting rid of the 'Nilla villagers who don't talk before the game really gets going is a smart thing but I would at least like to hear from him before we get rid of him.

the problem with this line of thinking is that you are now advocating for roles to be talkative and put themselves out there vs maybe trying to stradle that fine line in between.

i'm not roled, a lynch of me doesn't hurt us inthe "big picture" so i'm not stressed about it. of course, i still want to keep playing

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Autumn

If Chubby never shows up today, I would say we shouldn't lynch him (and hope CF replaces him). But if he is here long enough to defend himself, I think he's very much a valid target. And I think it's good to have votes on him to force him to defend himself if he shows up.

sheesh, i voted day 1. i didn't post a ton of stuff because, it IS day 1

i apologize for missing last game, i got swamped at work and forgot I jumped back into WW

[Chubby]

so I guess it's going to be a 3 way race (unless maybe it gets whittled down). both of the other 2 in the race are already on me

i don't really see my vote placing any added pressure on either of them yet and I don't want to start a run either so i'm not going to vote until i can get a better read off of them

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

If the deadline were right now, I would change my vote to bhlloy for self-perseverance.

The argument for bhlloy is the only confirmed villager (JAG) made a point about Julio being the possible convert and that he was signaling for the wolves to come get him so to speak.

JAG then pointed out that bholly moved his vote off Julio shortly after, as he perhaps picked up on the signal as well.

So essentially we have the only confirmed villager (besides DV, but he didn't give us anything) suggesting that we should take a hard look at bholly.

Which is a lovely theory but if people believe that then why isn't the guy who would have to be the convert up here with me instead of all the votes hidden on CR and Chubby

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Which is a lovely theory but if people believe that then why isn't the guy who would have to be the convert up here with me instead of all the votes hidden on CR and Chubby

My guess is we really don't know the role of the convert yet. We have no clue what the conversion mechanism is in this game. EagleFan said he had his own set of victory conditions which may or may not involve The Runners.

[Zinto]

Why is everyone so convinced that there is a conversion? I don't see anything in the rules about there being one.

[Zinto]

So voting for Julio because he would be "a good target for conversion" doesn't make any sense unless some of you know something I do not. So that is my question why are so many of you convinced there is a conversion?

[bhlloy]

I think it's hinted at pretty strongly in Ronnie's description

[Zinto]

I also don't understand why people are making a case for Julio and complaining that no one is voting for him and then not voting for him themselves. We are far enough away from the deadline that you could get interest from people voting him.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Why is everyone so convinced that there is a conversion? I don't see anything in the rules about there being one.

I'm only skimming here, but if you'll recall last game, there was talk about how we were all vanilla villagers on Day 1. IIRC, it was all wolves who said that, and they were saying it because they knew they were all vanilla villagers Day 1. Maybe that's what's going on here.