The Official 2014 NFL Draft Thread

[Grover]

Can we get #johnnygreenroom trending please?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I think if the Pats go QB, then that means they have a deal in place for Mallett.

There was talk of Houston.

[EagleFan]

A little worried that the Eagles will get tempted into taknig Manziel. If this was last year's draft I would have been okay with that.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

This is the optimistic look. I can't say you're wrong. I think a quarterback worthy of the number-one pick has to almost force a team to pass more effectively. The numbers really are terrible for Bradford.

14-4 TD/INT ratio, 60% completions, rating of 90.9 is bad? And that was before their run game took off.

[Solecismic]

It seems like everyone needs help in the secondary. I don't see a value at WR that would work here.

[JAG]

Surprised only one trade so far. I guess everyone really does love the depth this year.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by JAG

Surprised only one trade so far. I guess everyone really does love the depth this year.

Two. Browns from 4 to 9. Browns from 9 to 8.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

14-4 TD/INT ratio, 60% completions, rating of 90.9 is bad? And that was before their run game took off.

It's way too little of a sample to see if he turned the corner at all.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by stevew

It's way too little of a sample to see if he turned the corner at all.

His only bad year was the year he was stuck with Mcdaniels as OC. Aside from that he has been above average with no supporting cast aside from an aging RB and Danny Amendola, and an offensive line that sucks to boot.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

14-4 TD/INT ratio, 60% completions, rating of 90.9 is bad? And that was before their run game took off.

In my metric, he's 44 (16 games) - 37 (10 games) - 48 (16 games) - 49 (7 games). 51 is average. I think he's solidly in the lower half of starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Should he get another year? If they don't think there's a star in the draft, yes. Is he a huge disappointment so far? Yes.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

His only bad year was the year he was stuck with Mcdaniels as OC. Aside from that he has been above average with no supporting cast aside from an aging RB and Danny Amendola, and an offensive line that sucks to boot.

This. Not sure I see the need for St. Louis to replace Bradford. They just need to put some skill pieces around him.

[Julio Riddols]

Pryor is the next Taylor Mays.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

In my metric, he's 44 (16 games) - 37 (10 games) - 48 (16 games) - 49 (7 games). 51 is average. I think he's solidly in the lower half of starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Should he get another year? If they don't think there's a star in the draft, yes. Is he a huge disappointment so far? Yes.

I have a hard time calling someone a huge disappointment when they have as little talent as Bradford has around him.

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

In my metric, he's 44 (16 games) - 37 (10 games) - 48 (16 games) - 49 (7 games). 51 is average. I think he's solidly in the lower half of starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Should he get another year? If they don't think there's a star in the draft, yes. Is he a huge disappointment so far? Yes.

I hesitate to ask where Andy Dalton rates in that metric.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

This. Not sure I see the need for St. Louis to replace Bradford. They just need to put some skill pieces around him.

+1

Kind of hard to do much without much around him.

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I have a hard time calling someone a huge disappointment when they have as little talent as Bradford has around him.

My argument would be that a mediocre quarterback makes the talent around him look worse. The Rams have been drafting high for years. They seem to draft well - or at least safely. It's got to be something. Maybe it's the coaching.

I don't want to say that Bradford is a terrible quarterback. He just hasn't shown anything so far. And if I draft a quarterback that high, I want him to rise above.

[Grover]

Hoping Clinton Dix falls to Cincy...

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I hesitate to ask where Andy Dalton rates in that metric.

45 (17 games) - 50 (17 games) - 51 (17 games). So a solid career path - this could be a breakout year.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Matthean

There was talk of Houston.

I'm rooting for a trade. I would like to see him given a chance to play.

[bhlloy]

Houston trading up here would make all the sense in the world. To get Clowney and Manziel would be a hell of a draft.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Grover

Hoping Clinton Dix falls to Cincy...

Don't think he'll make it past KC (unless they're serious about Manziel)

[Julio Riddols]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

45 (17 games) - 50 (17 games) - 51 (17 games). So a solid career path - this could be a breakout year.

That is my anticipation, as long as Cinci gets a C that can play. I'm not sold on Pollak, even though he was a good C in college.

[Thomkal]

My beloved Cards trade with the Saints-not surprised-most they really liked were gone already and Cards only have 6 picks.

[Solecismic]

Huh. I thought Arizona would be happy to develop someone behind Palmer - and they have a solid team.

[Julio Riddols]

Hmmmm... Cooks does sound like a good idea for the Saints.. But I think they're going for Dennard.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

My argument would be that a mediocre quarterback makes the talent around him look worse. The Rams have been drafting high for years. They seem to draft well - or at least safely. It's got to be something. Maybe it's the coaching.

I don't want to say that Bradford is a terrible quarterback. He just hasn't shown anything so far. And if I draft a quarterback that high, I want him to rise above.

Tough to rise above when you're constantly on your back or having receivers drop passes.

[Lathum]

Saints trade up for Ha Ha?

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Saints trade up for Ha Ha?

Yeah, I think that the Packers were gonna take him

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Huh. I thought Arizona would be happy to develop someone behind Palmer - and they have a solid team.

They would, Palmer's contract is up after this year. But they were hoping not to take one in the first round. and supposedly they promised their 3rd string QB they would not take one in the early rounds.

Saints get 20the pick. Cards get 27th, and 3rd round (91).

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

They would, Palmer's contract is up after this year. But they were hoping not to take one in the first round. and supposedly they promised their 3rd string QB they would not take one in the early rounds.

Saints get 20the pick. Cards get 27th, and 3rd round (91).

I think that's a good deal for Arizona.

[Julio Riddols]

If I were the cards I would be looking at Bridgewater hard.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm rooting for a trade. I would like to see him given a chance to play.

If Cleveland passes on Manziel, I could see the trade happening.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Saints trade up for Ha Ha?

Originally Posted by cartman

Yeah, I think that the Packers were gonna take him

Or not

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Huh. I thought Arizona would be happy to develop someone behind Palmer - and they have a solid team.

They can still get one in the 2nd round or at 27.

[Lathum]

yup. that Cooks TD brings back memories.

[Julio Riddols]

I wonder who they were trying to beat to Cooks.. I bet Cinci liked him as BPA if he fell.

[Buccaneer]

I immediately thought that NO took Cook away from Phil for the reason they traded up.

[hoopsguy]

So safties sliding the story beyond Johnny Football at this point?
Pretty surprised that neither Bears nor Cowboys touched that position.

[stevew]

Uh oh, Brandin Cooks bought his mom a mercedes

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I immediately thought that NO took Cook away from Phil for the reason they traded up.

That was what the ESPN chat was talking about.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by stevew

Uh oh, Brandin Cooks bought his mom a mercedes

[Solecismic]

I'm not a big fan of first-round receivers without height. But Brees made excellent use of Sproles. Maybe it's a scheme thing, and Cooks wasn't going to last much longer. I know if I were a DC, I'd hate to map out a defense where I know I'm facing 50 passes and there's a risk I have to put a LB on a guy with that kind of speed.

I don't want to belabor the Bradford debate. There could be an excuse or excuses. He might turn it around completely this year. I would not use the word bust in his case. But the passing production hasn't been good in St. Louis.

[Scarecrow]

Packers take Ha Ha

[Buccaneer]

Eagles can still get the WR

[sabotai]

Johnny Football to the Eagles!?!?

[bhlloy]

Lee would be scary good in a Chip Kelly offense (as Cooks would have been as well)

[Solecismic]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Johnny Football to the Eagles!?!?

Intriguing. But Chip Kelly wants a receiver. I think he knows the only way to risk his job is to get a running quarterback decapitated halfway through his rookie season. Foles was awfully good last year in that system. Vick wasn't.

[Scarecrow]

Eagles trade down for someone to pick Manziel???

[Matthean]

Twitter / MikePouncey: Great pick! I can't wait for ...

[cartman]

Taken from a friend's Twitter feed:

The Packers just drafted the punchline to 80% of Jay Leno's jokes in the mid-90s.