Sony PS3 to be delayed to 07, and Cost $900 to make?

[dervack]

Forza 2 should be released sometime in 2007, fwiw.

[Eaglesfan27]

Commenting on Forza, the learning curve was perfect for me. I'm not a great sim racer either, and I also used the "guide lines" to help me. Even with them on, I still messed up at times when I first was learning the game, but the learning curve wasn't so steep that I couldn't keep improving with time. The AI was really aggressive as you progressed in the game without feeling cheap, and it kept giving me new challenges as I mastered "easier" skills. As Troy said, the AI was really well done, and it was compelling to keep trying to fine tune my cars and get the "next great car."

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Is Disgaea 2 any good? I have the first one, and I enjoyed it. What's improved about the sequel?

Most of the improvements in the sequel are gameplay refinements.

For example, within the Item World, you used to have to stock tons of Mr. Gency Exit items in order to escape if your health was running low, or your healer died, or whatever else. in Disgaea 2, the Item World has two things that are useful:

1) a "Mystery Door" that usually has a pretty good outcome behind it. A hospital, a rare item shop, etc. Sometimes you get some not-so-nice outcomes, such as having to fight a powerful dragon if you want the mystery room's prize. Also, getting a rare item store when you *really* need health can be a drag sometimes, but it's nice that it's there.

Also, after level 10, you advance to "Innocent Town," where you see the specialists you've captured, and have the option to heal everybody at the medic. You can also visit the Item Assembly - a new addition that lets you ask the assembly to do something to the item. It could be leveling up one of the item's stats more quickly, or it could be a name change for the item.

There are more geo effects. I was just telling Vince the other night about an 'oops' moment I had, when I noticed an effect called 'Critical,' and put my strongest character on it thinking it would make all of his hits critical hits.

Yeah, not so much. It created critical hits, but the CH's happen to anybody ON the panel. One that's really useful is 'Encroach.' You can use Encroach to cause that particular color to grow and engulf other squares on the board, so you can go from, say, a half-dozen Invincibility or Heal 20% squares to a much larger patch. Of course, it can be detrimental, too, if it happens to start on a square that also, say, levels the enemy up every time you end turn.

The geo squares have these little critters underneath some of them that'll randomly get up and walk to a new square in between turns, so geo effects aren't necessarily permanent (this can be both good and bad).

There are also various types of pirates in the Item World; so far I've fought Prinny Pirates, Bashful Pirates and Ambling Pirates, from easiest to hardest. I'm not sure what they're actually there for, but I did get a rare treasure map off one of them, so I'm curious.

There's a new Dark Court as well. You can accept a subpoena for a crime and go to the level of the item where the bailiff is. If the item says "Bailiff 22" where it ordinarily might tell you how many Teachers there are, it means he's on the 22nd floor. You fight your way there, send a character into the court - you can send anybody, not just the accused - and then earn a felony, which also brings a prize with it. I haven't done that enough to know what the long-term effect is, but the short-term effect is pretty cool.

I still haven't met the Dark Sun, which is also in the item world. I don't know what that's for.

Basically, all of the improvements I've just listed are new elements to the Item World (although some, like geo effects, transcend that), but there's plenty of new stuff I haven't touched on yet outside the Item World as well.

The story started out as sort of a weak caricature of Disgaea: Hour of Darkness', but it's getting better as the game progresses, and is really finding its own path. I'm enjoying the game very much so far, and I'm not halfway through it yet.

[MikeVic]

I don't mean to bash any system. My plan right now is for a Wii, and then a 360 if enough games come out that I want to play. Given the price of the PS3, unless they have a lot of games I want to play.... I won't be getting one. (Guitar Hero better be released everywhere!!!!!!!)

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

(Guitar Hero better be released everywhere!!!!!!!)

Count on it. Activision wouldn't pay $100 million for Harmonix just to keep it a single-system exclusive.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

The big gimmick for me is no true RPG's (I consider Oblivion more of a FPS than a RPG in the classic sense). The Playstation, whichever generation, seemed to have more RPGs than other systems (Bioware did a few good ones for the XBox, but that's still far fewer than the selection for the PS/PS2). I'm also a HUGH tactical game fan, and there's NONE that I know of for XBox or 360.

I just go with calling them American-style RPG vs Japanese-style RPG. That seems to be a fairly good way to distinguish them.

SI

[spleen1015]

Nintendo held a press conference in NY City today announcing the Wii launch date.

November 19 at $249.99. It will come with a game, Wii Sports. The game will feature tennis, golf, baseball, bowling, and boxing. The new Zelda will be a launch title as well.

I made a deal with the wife that I would wait until after the new year. Guh!

[stevew]

Right after delivering a keynote address that can best be described as uneventful, Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Ken Kutaragi was interviewed by a well-known Japanese reporter and let drop two new details that Kutaragi called "secrets."

First: the basic PlayStation 3 will retail for under ¥50,000 in Japan, 5% consumption tax included. Kutaragi quoted a price of ¥49,800 for the console. The announcement met with more enthusiastic applause from the audience than anything said or shown during the keynote in the hour prior. Does this indicate that the PS3 may be up for a price reduction in the United States? (In today's dollars, ¥49,800 yen is approximately $425 USD. The same version of the PS3 has been priced at $499 in the US.)

Second: In answer to a question about HD capability, Kutaragi noted that in the days since the E3 press conference, "the importance of HDMI has come earlier than expected." At the time of E3, no television included HDMI support, said Kutaragi. In the months since, however, HDMI has solidified and has been introduced to more products. Therefore, Sony has decided to include HDMI in the console.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/21/su...news-from-tgs/

[Eaglesfan27]

If he is talking about this years, E3 conference, then he is either grossly misinformed or lying about HDMI support. My Sony SXRD TV which has been out for a fair bit of time before E3 has HDMI support as do quite a few other HDTV's that have been out for more than a few months.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

If he is talking about this years, E3 conference, then he is either grossly misinformed or lying about HDMI support. My Sony SXRD TV which has been out for a fair bit of time before E3 has HDMI support as do quite a few other HDTV's that have been out for more than a few months.

That's translated from Japanese, I would assume. So it's no guarantee that it is exactly what he meant in the native tongue.

[SackAttack]

Time to dig out the hip waders.

Originally Posted by Sony PR

* The launch of the PLAYSTATION®3 signals an evolution in gaming and entertainment with a particular emphasis on the importance of online networking as the key driver for growth in the industry. The gaming and entertainment business is no longer limited to a static, disc-based world. It is a living, breathing community enabled by the power of the PS3 to connect seamlessly to the vast world of information, content and interpersonal interactivity only available online.

You mean the online world didn't exist in any meaningful form for consoles before the PlayStation 3? Shit, Xbox Live must have been a four year crack dream, then.

Originally Posted by Sony PR

As the power of networking is realized through systems such as PS3, user interaction, including user-created and -influenced content will be increasingly relevant in the development of entertainment across the industry. The PS3 has the capability to allow creators of entertainment content direct access to their end consumer, which is something that was not possible in the past. It is easy to imagine the potential this represents for the interactive entertainment industry.

I'm not entirely sure what they mean here. I mean, I get the first half of it. It's the same thing Microsoft has been talking about for five years (and, in fairness, not actually DONE anything about yet). It's the second half that's got me confused.

Originally Posted by Sony PR

The video game industry needs to think in a bigger way, utilizing technological innovation to its fullest in the development of entertainment content. The Internet and global networking provide an incredibly rich environment from which to create new experiences for the consumer. The giant steps forward we are seeing enabled by the PS3 are just the tip of the iceberg of what is possible when you match the most advanced technologies with full network capability.

Which giant steps would those be, and how are they any different from what your major competitor has spent the last four years building?

Originally Posted by Sony PR

The computing power of the PS3 is unmatched and has garnered the interest of industries outside the gaming and entertainment worlds. Even today, IBM researchers are working on ways to harness the power of the PS3 networks and access computing capacity through 16,000 PS3 cell processors to address such medical problems as Alzheimer's Disease and Parkinson's Disease. Using the processing power of networked PS3 units around the world to create one massive computer to process complex calculations presents enormous opportunities in a variety of applications.

This would actually be pretty cool. Still, why am I left with the feeling that this is Sony's 2006 answer to 2001's "Saddam Hussein wants to buy PS2's to guide his missile arsenal"?

Originally Posted by Sony PR

* Based on the explosive growth of consumer demand for high-definition entertainment over the past year alone, Sony has decided to include HDMI output in the 20GB SKU of PS3. This will allow our valued PlayStation consumers to experience true next-generation gaming without compromise.

This might be the first thing Sony has done right this year. That instantly makes the PS3 much more competitive...well, will, once their supply issues are resolved.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Time to dig out the hip waders.

Seriously, most of these speeches are nothing but hype and overtalking. You could do that for most of the yapping at these shows. No one's even going to remember what anyone said at these shows a couple months from now. They'll be playing their 360's and PS3's.

[dervack]

I read an interesting rumor the other day, one that I don't believe for a second, but funny anyway. It involves Gran Turismo coming out cheap for the PS3, but including no cars or track at all. You will have to buy the cars in Sony's online microtransaction marketplace, and buying every car and track for the game would cost you somewhere near $500. I don't believe it, but it is funny.

hxxp://ps3.qj.net/Gran-Turismo-HD-Fu...g/49/aid/66908

hxxp://ps3.qj.net/Gran-Turismo-HD-Th...g/49/aid/67016

Edited the links for random ads that some people might not want to see at work.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Seriously, most of these speeches are nothing but hype and overtalking. You could do that for most of the yapping at these shows. No one's even going to remember what anyone said at these shows a couple months from now. They'll be playing their 360's and PS3's.

Or playing their Wiis. Don't forget about Wii!!!!!!

[Kodos]

A car racing game that I've never liked that comes without cars or tracks and will bury me in microtransactions? WHERE DO I SIGN UP?!?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Kodos

A car racing game that I've never liked that comes without cars or tracks and will bury me in microtransactions? WHERE DO I SIGN UP?!?

I like to refer to it as the supposed "best" car simulation that doesn't simulate car damage at all.

Seriously, I hate that about the game. I played GT1 a bit, but got annoyed at the feel of the game... the music and stuff combined with the play made me so sleepy.

[Kodos]

Besides the lack of a feeling of movement and AI cars that are just out for a drive rather than a race, I have no complaints. Oh, wait -- no damage sucks too.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by dervack

I read an interesting rumor the other day, one that I don't believe for a second, but funny anyway. It involves Gran Turismo coming out cheap for the PS3, but including no cars or track at all. You will have to buy the cars in Sony's online microtransaction marketplace, and buying every car and track for the game would cost you somewhere near $500. I don't believe it, but it is funny.

hxxp://ps3.qj.net/Gran-Turismo-HD-Fu...g/49/aid/66908

hxxp://ps3.qj.net/Gran-Turismo-HD-Th...g/49/aid/67016

Edited the links for random ads that some people might not want to see at work.

The story broke with Famitsu, one of the more reputable outlets out there. I came across a story last night or the night before suggesting that this was only confirmed for Japan, and no decision had been made about North America yet.

I'm trying to dig that up again, as I lamentably didn't bookmark it.

[SackAttack]

Here it is. I knew I wasn't that far off on my searches:

hxxp://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19852

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dervack

I read an interesting rumor the other day, one that I don't believe for a second, but funny anyway. It involves Gran Turismo coming out cheap for the PS3, but including no cars or track at all. You will have to buy the cars in Sony's online microtransaction marketplace, and buying every car and track for the game would cost you somewhere near $500. I don't believe it, but it is funny.

hxxp://ps3.qj.net/Gran-Turismo-HD-Fu...g/49/aid/66908

hxxp://ps3.qj.net/Gran-Turismo-HD-Th...g/49/aid/67016

Edited the links for random ads that some people might not want to see at work.

It has been reported as a rumor on numerous sites. I'm sure there will be some form of microtransactions in all games, but this one has no basis in fact in regards to the North American version.

They want to do that in Japan. However, all PS3 game are region-free, so I'm not sure what's keeping a Japanese player from importing a North American version of the game other than language issues.

[stevew]

It seems like a good idea for generating income for an online game. With the sheer amount of cash that people will pay for various artifacts, et al, in games like WoW, it only seems like a natural progression in gaming where the first party reaps the benefits. I would gather that the certain "rice-boy" crowd would indeed spend a ton of money for sweet cars and accesories, paint jobs, etc.

[SirFozzie]

and the hits just keep on coming..

Fresh concerns about the upcoming release of Sony's much-anticipated PlayStation 3 video game console and reports of erratic performance dragged Sony shares down 2.75 per cent Tuesday.

Technical problems for the PlayStation 3 would be the latest embarrassment for Sony, which has already had to twice delay the product's launch, and is facing stepped up competition from rivals Microsoft and Nintendo.

Sony has also been hit by the recent string of recalls for its lithium ion batteries for laptop computers.

PlayStation 3 units on display at the Tokyo Game Show about 10 days ago operated erratically and had to be repeatedly reset, according to a report released Monday by Macquarie Equities analyst David Gibson in Tokyo.

“While the reason for this is unknown, we suspect it may be due to overheating as a result of enclosing the units and the high temperatures at the venue,” Gibson wrote. “We are concerned that such a problem has occurred so close to full production and is clearly negative news for the company.”

Sony denied that there was any technical problem with the PlayStation 3.

Earlier in the day, investment firm Goldman Sachs Group Inc. lowered Sony's stock rating to “neutral” from “buy,” citing confusion over the release of PlayStation 3 and concerns that disappointing sales of PlayStation Portable may weigh on its earnings in electronics operations more heavily than expected.

Sony's stock tumbled 130 yen ($1.11), or 2.75 per cent, to 4,600 yen ($38.98) on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.

[nole4sho]

Well I understand this system may have a myriad of problems but I will still buy it the first day it comes out. I have played the XBOX360 and I honestly am not impressed by the selection of games. Hitman is a good game, I have watched Noop play and thought it was a cool game. The sports titles are nice but that disc error is a game killer for me.

I think the lack of a Final Fantasy VII style RPG is what really bothers me when it comes to the idea of purchasing the XBOX360. Sony has backwards compatibility which means if I wanted to dust off my Final Fantasy VII to play I could do so provided it is scratched.

Metal Gear is also another reason I will wait for the PS3.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by nole4sho

Well I understand this system may have a myriad of problems but I will still buy it the first day it comes out. I have played the XBOX360 and I honestly am not impressed by the selection of games. Hitman is a good game, I have watched Noop play and thought it was a cool game. The sports titles are nice but that disc error is a game killer for me.

I think the lack of a Final Fantasy VII style RPG is what really bothers me when it comes to the idea of purchasing the XBOX360. Sony has backwards compatibility which means if I wanted to dust off my Final Fantasy VII to play I could do so provided it is scratched.

Metal Gear is also another reason I will wait for the PS3.

Agreed. I'll be picking up the console as soon as I can. There's a lot to like about the console. The backward compatibility, the lack of region restrictions and the blu-ray player being included in addition to the Sony exclusive titles are all reasons that I prefer to get the PS3. Hard to believe that release is only a month or so away.

[Raiders Army]

It's only a month or so away and you can't pre-order them. Strange, eh?

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

It's only a month or so away and you can't pre-order them. Strange, eh?

No pre-orders, no ad campaign - makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

It's only a month or so away and you can't pre-order them. Strange, eh?

Honestly, that doesn't bother me too much. I'd rather it just be a first come, first serve thing. Part of the fun of snagging a console is to go out and wait for the console. You only get to do it every few years. Also, most anyone that plans on getting a console at launch plans to take at least a day off. With the release coming right around the weekend, perfect time to take a 3 day weekend and have a good time. With no pre-orders, there's more of a chance to get a system at launch. I'm looking forward to it, though I know some prefer the pre-order route.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

No pre-orders, no ad campaign - makes you wonder, doesn't it?

There have already been several billboards up in major cities in the U.S. There was a picture of one of them posted on one of the video game blogs recently. The advertising blitz in the print/radio/TV media is expected to start in November. Honestly, with the relatively low number of units, not too sure they need to advertise a whole lot initially. The initial 400,000 units will sell quickly. If they start advertising around the release date, the advertising will be in full use by the time the next wave of units hit the market.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There have already been several billboards up in major cities in the U.S. There was a picture of one of them posted on one of the video game blogs recently. The advertising blitz in the print/radio/TV media is expected to start in November. Honestly, with the relatively low number of units, not too sure they need to advertise a whole lot initially. The initial 400,000 units will sell quickly. If they start advertising around the release date, the advertising will be in full use by the time the next wave of units hit the market.

Similarly, there hasn't been much in the media about the Wii launch either, and you can't yet pre-order them. Maybe Nintendo and Sony are taking different approaches with regard to launch publicity and ordering than Microsoft. Also, maybe retailers for some reason have decided they don't want the hassle of doing long-term pre-orders on consoles any more.

I just thought it was interesting that we're a little over a month away from the launch of both of those systems, and there's been relatively little media exposure when compared to the hype leading up to the 360 launch. That could very well just be evidence that Microsoft decided they had to be a lot more aggressive in marketing the 360 in order to meet their goal of drawing even with Sony on this generation.

[stevew]

Once the allocation numbers come out, supposedly some pre-ordering will commence. Supposedly you can pre-order at FYI. One of the issues was that MS cut allocations in half right before launch, which pissed off a lot of people last year.

And honestly, if I were to buy a PS3 at launch I would Ebay it, and take that money(likely to be at least 1000-1500 for the 600 dollar system) and use it to buy a system and a ton of games in 6 months.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Similarly, there hasn't been much in the media about the Wii launch either, and you can't yet pre-order them. Maybe Nintendo and Sony are taking different approaches with regard to launch publicity and ordering than Microsoft. Also, maybe retailers for some reason have decided they don't want the hassle of doing long-term pre-orders on consoles any more.

I just thought it was interesting that we're a little over a month away from the launch of both of those systems, and there's been relatively little media exposure when compared to the hype leading up to the 360 launch. That could very well just be evidence that Microsoft decided they had to be a lot more aggressive in marketing the 360 in order to meet their goal of drawing even with Sony on this generation.

Agreed. Sony and Nintendo don't really need to advertise much to sell the initial shipments. They will sell out without any problem. My guess is that by mid-December, we're going to see a pretty good sized advertising campaign from all three companies. Sony and Nintendo will be advertising the systems and MS will be advertising their second generation of games.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Honestly, that doesn't bother me too much. I'd rather it just be a first come, first serve thing. Part of the fun of snagging a console is to go out and wait for the console. You only get to do it every few years. Also, most anyone that plans on getting a console at launch plans to take at least a day off. With the release coming right around the weekend, perfect time to take a 3 day weekend and have a good time. With no pre-orders, there's more of a chance to get a system at launch. I'm looking forward to it, though I know some prefer the pre-order route.

Pre-ordering (since I knew I wanted the 360 at least a few months before it was coming out), walking in with my slip, and getting the 360 in 5 minutes was MUCH more fun than wasting 12 plus hours in a line with complete strangers. YMMV.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Pre-ordering (since I knew I wanted the 360 at least a few months before it was coming out), walking in with my slip, and getting the 360 in 5 minutes was MUCH more fun than wasting 12 plus hours in a line with complete strangers. YMMV.

As I said, some prefer that route. Unfortunately, Microsoft ruined a good thing in that aspect. The supply screw-ups from last year's release are obviously the reason that they're now avoiding pre-sales. On some level, it's probably a good thing. Many of thes store chains were making promises to pre-purchase customers that they knew they couldn't keep. At least the customer knows where they stand when there's no pre-purchases allowed.

[Deattribution]

Ebay has ruined console launches. Most people don't even buy a system at launch cause they want it, they buy 6 to resell for twice as much.

[SackAttack]

From speaking with the Sony rep at work yesterday, it sounds like the approach they're taking to the online play is that it's "free."

First-party titles will not cost anything to play online, but (and I quote): "We can't do anything about it if third parties want to charge for online play."

That's the first I've heard of anything remotely tangible with regards to the service, yet I'm still skeptical about how long it stays that way. I'd tend to think that we'll see some kind of increase in the cost of the game itself for online titles that provide free online play (from $69.99 to $74.99, say).

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

From speaking with the Sony rep at work yesterday, it sounds like the approach they're taking to the online play is that it's "free."

First-party titles will not cost anything to play online, but (and I quote): "We can't do anything about it if third parties want to charge for online play."

That's the first I've heard of anything remotely tangible with regards to the service, yet I'm still skeptical about how long it stays that way. I'd tend to think that we'll see some kind of increase in the cost of the game itself for online titles that provide free online play (from $69.99 to $74.99, say).

Most of the gaming companies plan on doing any of that kind of stuff with microtransactions online. You won't see an increase of the MSRP just because it's an online game. They're doing the same types of things on the 360 regarding content. The gaming companies prefer the microtransactions. If most games are $59.99 MSRP on PS3 and a game suddenly comes out for $64.99 or $69.99, people simply aren't going to buy it. But if you waive a carrot in front of them that offers extra content/play for $5 more, they'll snap at it with no problem. It's all a game. But in the end, it works because some people will fork over that extra $5.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

From speaking with the Sony rep at work yesterday, it sounds like the approach they're taking to the online play is that it's "free."

First-party titles will not cost anything to play online, but (and I quote): "We can't do anything about it if third parties want to charge for online play."

That's the first I've heard of anything remotely tangible with regards to the service, yet I'm still skeptical about how long it stays that way. I'd tend to think that we'll see some kind of increase in the cost of the game itself for online titles that provide free online play (from $69.99 to $74.99, say).

FWIW, isn't the "We can't do anything about it if third parties want to charge for online play" the same stance they took about the services for the PS2?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by wade moore

FWIW, isn't the "We can't do anything about it if third parties want to charge for online play" the same stance they took about the services for the PS2?

Yeah it is. I mentioned that at some point but during revision must have removed it.

Still, that's a pretty barebones service to begin with. Unless they plan on selling ad space, I can't imagine how in the world they're going to have an Xbox Live-style, centralized service that puts the onus on each individual third party company to deal with individualized pricing.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Yeah it is. I mentioned that at some point but during revision must have removed it.

Still, that's a pretty barebones service to begin with. Unless they plan on selling ad space, I can't imagine how in the world they're going to have an Xbox Live-style, centralized service that puts the onus on each individual third party company to deal with individualized pricing.

Agreed. I just remember outcry at the same statement with the PS2, and I can't think of any company that charges for PS2 online games.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Agreed. I just remember outcry at the same statement with the PS2, and I can't think of any company that charges for PS2 online games.

But the difference this time around is Sony doesn't have the same market share with the PS3, so game companies can afford to skip on the online, or pass on the ps3 all together without passing on 100+ million systems out there like the PS2.

It seems odd, but I guess until there is something really official.... Just wait and see.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

But the difference this time around is Sony doesn't have the same market share with the PS3........

Did I miss the release of the PS3?????

[stevew]

Rumor has it that PS3 preorders start today at gamestop.

[stevew]

From their site. http://www.gamestop.com/gs/ps3/reserveinfo.html

Limited PlayStation 3 Pre-Order

GameStop and EB Games will begin accepting limited pre-orders for the PlayStation 3 console on Tuesday, October 10, on a first come, first served basis. Due to extremely limited supply, we expect to deplete this allocation very quickly, most likely in minutes. We will not accept additional pre-orders at this time. To avoid an unnecessary trip we strongly recommend you call your local store to determine availability. A $100 reservation deposit is required, which can be funded with cash, credit or trade. As we cannot control production and shipping issues by the manufacturer, a reservation deposit does not guarantee receipt of a system available to purchase at launch. Reservations/Purchases are limited to 1 per household.

Our limited online pre-order program will be announced at a later date, after software and accessory availability dates are confirmed. Online product pricing and availability will vary and will be fulfilled independent of store reservations.

Basically, if you want to try to get on this list you need to get there pretty much now.

[Raiders Army]

Got one pre-ordered today. EB Games said they had 10 for the store and we were guaranteed to get one on November 17th. Left a deposit for $100.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Got one pre-ordered today. EB Games said they had 10 for the store and we were guaranteed to get one on November 17th. Left a deposit for $100.

Remember last year, EB said the same things about the 360 and you know how accurate their info was. They basically sat on people's money for several months, collecting interest off them while the customers waited. They'll say anything to get your $100.

[SackAttack]

Screw all you guys who're putting money down on the PS3.

I just spent $20 to get the Space Quest Collection for my Windows XP PC. I've been looking even for a Win98 copy of that collection for about three years now.

This is awesome.

[Eaglesfan27]

Hmmm. Just read that NBA 2k7 on the PS3 will allow 10 players to play online at one time (with each player being player locked onto a player.) Could be very chaotic but very fun. Am I crazy for letting this make me start to want a PS3 a little bit? Anyway, I'm waiting until they are readily available if I eventually get one.

Edit: I'm not going to get the PS3 for any one game, but it will be interesting to see if the 360 and PS3 sports titles really are different and which one is better. I just didn't believe the PS3 version of this year's games were going to have any substantially different features and this was a surprise.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Hmmm. Just read that NBA 2k7 on the PS3 will allow 10 players to play online at one time (with each player being player locked onto a player.) Could be very chaotic but very fun. Am I crazy for letting this make me start to want a PS3 a little bit? Anyway, I'm waiting until they are readily available if I eventually get one.

While this sounds fun, it also sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you know that all 10 guys will play their role...

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by wade moore

While this sounds fun, it also sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you know that all 10 guys will play their role...

Very true. I'm assuming this would have to include headset verbal communication with all of your teammates to discuss strategies/plays, etc.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by wade moore

While this sounds fun, it also sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you know that all 10 guys will play their role...

That'd be really fun to have a team who knows their roles and take on people who think they're great, just like in real life. Some of us know we're the tall, slow white guy who grabs boards, blocks shots, and isn't allowed to shoot unless it's within 10' of the basket. But that works great if you have a slasher, an outside shooter, etc

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